Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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7seasrekeyed

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I can't believe what I'm reading here, so many greedy "Christians" greed is a grievous sin.
If you don't give to God, you are cursed. God hates greed, we saw what happened to that greedy man and his wife who sold their house and held back some of the proceeds. God killed both of them and we have people here saying it's not important to give anything to God.
I can't believe how blind and deceived so called Christians have become in this wicked generation. What are they doing to say to Jesus when He tells them to go to hell, I never knew you.
There are so many lovers of money here, I never expected to see this from Christians. Especially after all the warnings about the love of money in the Bible, we are talking about the root of all kinds of evil and everyone is defending their god of mammon.

I feel the same way

I can't believe what I'm reading here either.

dude...whatever pastor you are following is NOT...repeat...NOT offering the sound counsel of scripture

a little advice...try not be such a drama queen. it's sounding very judgemental and you should remember you will be judged according to the way you judge

and that, actually IS in the Bible..maybe chew on that one a bit
 
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Thanks for the encouragement.

I would like your opinion on an issue I'm facing regrading giving to the Church. I'm going to inherit a large sum of money after the sale of a relatives estate who recently passed away and I'm one of the beneficiaries in his will. Should I give my Church 10% of the money I receive or is tithing only meant to be deducted form your salary.

I would really like to know what Jesus would advise me to do, I have prayed about it but I'm still not sure what God wants me to do. I will continue to pray about it, but I would value your opinion because I have read a lot of your posts and I do respect your opinion on many things.

The best thing you can do is be led by the Spirit in your giving.

I have learned through years being a Christian business man, giving and serving many diverse ministries, that hearing what the Spirit is saying and giving "in faith", which means giving according to what God through His Spirit is leading you to do.


This is the harmony of 2 Corinthians 9:7.


For me as a steward, 10% is where I start in my giving, however I give to many different viable ministries who are "frontline" types who are making a difference in this world.


My wife and I tithe from our salary to the Church where we attend, however from our business we set aside our tithes and offerings in a little 501c3 we started called the Joseph Storehouse Group, so as to separate it from our personal and business finances, to be distributed to the ministries we serve monthly as well as emergency needs that arise from time to time among the body of Christ.


The Lord blesses our business mightily, and is faithful to sustain us in our work as kingdom stewards.


I share these things with you that you will seek Him, to be led in your giving, and be blessed in all you do.


May the Lord bless you mightily and return to you an abundance of wealth, that you may continue to be blessed and be a blessing to many in His kingdom.




JPT


PS - Widows and orphans are near are dear to His heart. These represent those who can't do for themselves.
 
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I can't believe what I'm reading here, so many greedy "Christians" greed is a grievous sin.
If you don't give to God, you are cursed. God hates greed, we saw what happened to that greedy man and his wife who sold their house and held back some of the proceeds. God killed both of them and we have people here saying it's not important to give anything to God.
I can't believe how blind and deceived so called Christians have become in this wicked generation. What are they doing to say to Jesus when He tells them to go to hell, I never knew you.
There are so many lovers of money here, I never expected to see this from Christians. Especially after all the warnings about the love of money in the Bible, we are talking about the root of all kinds of evil and everyone is defending their god of mammon.
Everybody laugh. Danny's putting on a show for us.
 

Danny1988

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Tithing was an OT income tax collected from the state to take care of the tribe of LEVI, it is not a NT command, the churches that demand tithing are not speaking for God,
Our pastor is not demanding anything, he presented his sermon in a very Biblical way. He demonstrated from many different texts that giving to God is very important, so much so that IN THE NT God killed a married couple to demonstrate His hatred of greedy people.

And let's not forget that we aren't to throw the whole old testament in the trash can. There are some things which we we don't need to adhere to but there's a whole lot that still applies to us.
 

Danny1988

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The best thing you can do is be led by the Spirit in your giving.

I have learned through years being a Christian business man, giving and serving many diverse ministries, that hearing what the Spirit is saying and giving "in faith", which means giving according to what God through His Spirit is leading you to do.


This is the harmony of 2 Corinthians 9:7.


For me as a steward, 10% is where I start in my giving, however I give to many different viable ministries who are "frontline" types who are making a difference in this world.


My wife and I tithe from our salary to the Church where we attend, however from our business we set aside our tithes and offerings in a little 501c3 we started called the Joseph Storehouse Group, so as to separate it from our personal and business finances, to be distributed to the ministries we serve monthly as well as emergency needs that arise from time to time among the body of Christ.


The Lord blesses our business mightily, and is faithful to sustain us in our work as kingdom stewards.


I share these things with you that you will seek Him, to be led in your giving, and be blessed in all you do.


May the Lord bless you mightily and return to you an abundance of wealth, that you may continue to be blessed and be a blessing to many in His kingdom.




JPT


PS - Widows and orphans are near are dear to His heart. These represent those who can't do for themselves.
I'm really glad to hear that, may the Lord bless you even more than ever before.
He has also blessed my finances more than I ever deserved, and I'm about to inherit again so I have decided to give my Church 10% of what I receive because I believe it is Biblical.
 

Danny1988

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First, I appreciate you starting a separate thread on this subject. As you already know, I do not believe that Christians are required to tithe. You may not appreciate the tone of my challenge to you, but I assure you it is for your good. I desire your freedom, not your slavery.

Second, you seem to have your mind made up on this and are already closed to actual discussion. The tone of your comments certainly makes this clear. So rather than pussyfooting, I will be clear: you have been deceived. You have been deceived into thinking that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of Scripture is arguing against God. That's garbage, and is an open invitation for deception, because it closes you to sound correction.

Others have already offered sound instruction on this matter; I suggest you carefully consider it. I will add a few points...

Tithing is not giving. The two are distinct concepts. You have made the error that "not tithing" means "not giving at all" which is false. Tithing was never voluntary, but was required under the OT law.

Everything prior to Acts is under the Old Covenant. Yes, that also includes what Jesus spoke, because His time on earth was under the Old Covenant. His words to the Pharisees were under the Law. Jesus's words to the Pharisees were words of condemnation, not affirmation. Taking His words out of this context distorts the message.

The mention of tithes in Hebrews 7 is entirely a history lesson and has no continuing application. As the rest of Hebrews explains in patient detail, the Old Covenant has ended for those in Christ. We have no remaining obligation to it.

As Paul explains in Galatians, adding Law to Christ means you are under the whole Law, and have fallen from grace. You are complete in Christ; why go back to miserable and weak principles which enslave you and cannot save?

Another poster has adequately explained giving according to the New Testament teaching.

Even if you think you are tithing 10%, I can probably point out areas where you aren't. Do you give ten percent of your income tax refund? If so, you aren't tithing, because you already paid on that income. Do you pay 10% on your health and vacation benefits? Probably not. How about interest income from your bank account? Tithe means tenth, no less and no more!

We as Christians are not under the Old Covenant Law. We are free in Christ to give freely. Don't make yourself a slave because of ignorance.
Our pastor didn't stop at 10%, he said God blesses those who give sacrificially and do so in secret. I hope he doesn't find me here, because the Churches banking details are listed on our weekly Church bulletin so I can deposit the money in secret.
 

posthuman

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so much so that IN THE NT God killed a married couple to demonstrate His hatred of greedy people
It doesn't sound to me like that man understands what Ananias and Sapphira is all about.
Given his teaching on adding tithes to grace, I'm not surprised.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Our pastor is not demanding anything, he presented his sermon in a very Biblical way. He demonstrated from many different texts that giving to God is very important, so much so that IN THE NT God killed a married couple to demonstrate His hatred of greedy people.

And let's not forget that we aren't to throw the whole old testament in the trash can. There are some things which we we don't need to adhere to but there's a whole lot that still applies to us.
that is not true danny

you just said that you are dammed to hell if you do not tithe

If you don't give your money generously to God, He will say I never knew you. You didn't feed me when I was hungry, greed is a grievous sin.
form your post 16 in this thread

and where is that in scripture anyway? can we please have that reference?

the one who is throwing the Bible in the trash is your pastor
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Ananias and Sapphira died because they lied to the Holy Spirit

Peter said they could have kept ALL the money

your pastor is way off in dollars and cents land. is he building a new edifice to his glory that he is so concerned with $$$$

here is the BIBLICAL account of A & S from Acts 5...please pay particular attention to verses 3 and 4...it's about lying and not about money. would you like to show this to your pastor and ask him why he lied?

your pastor, according to him, is in danger of hellfire for lying...like Ananias and Sapphira

Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heartthat you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord?Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
 
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There will be no laughter when money lovers stand condemned before the Lord for worshiping the god of mammon
Ananias and Sapphira were judged for being duplicitous, not for holding onto money they rightfully earned. Read and learn:

While it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own authority? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4
 
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There will be no laughter when money lovers stand condemned before the Lord for worshiping the god of mammon
Golf clap, everyone. Danny made par on this hole of sanctimonious self-righteousness.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Golf clap, everyone. Danny made par on this hole of sanctimonious self-righteousness.

I think maybe he needs to study the Bible for himself

he is sounding like someone who just believes what he is told and flips when those beliefs are challenged because he does not have a good foundation

and yeah I was hard on him too...because he needs to wake up
 

Danny1988

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Ananias and Sapphira were judged for being duplicitous, not for holding onto money they rightfully earned. Read and learn:

While it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own authority? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4
God killed them because they did as many Christians do today, they pretend to serve God and worship Him in public by their generous giving. But they secretly hold money back from God and worship the god of mammon, God will send them to the same place He sent Ananias and Sapphira.
Nobody can fool God, he looks at the heart and He hates false worship and stingy people
 
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7seasrekeyed

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God killed them because they did as many Christians do today, they pretend to serve God and worship Him in public by their generous giving. But they secretly hold money back from God and worship the god of mammon, God will send them to the same place He sent Ananias and Sapphira.
Nobody can fool God, he looks at the heart and He hates false worship and stingy people
nope

not even close

how can you read the biblical account and then say the above?

they lied...they died....end of story

when we repeat false renditions of scripture, there is really no excuse. we cannot hold someone else responsible for our salvation or our knowledge of scripture...well maybe a kid might be excused with regards to knowledge...

ignorance is not a covering for sin.

you are right...nobody can fool God but your pastor is fooling you
 

BenFTW

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Thanks for the encouragement.

I would like your opinion on an issue I'm facing regrading giving to the Church. I'm going to inherit a large sum of money after the sale of a relatives estate who recently passed away and I'm one of the beneficiaries in his will. Should I give my Church 10% of the money I receive or is tithing only meant to be deducted form your salary.

I would really like to know what Jesus would advise me to do, I have prayed about it but I'm still not sure what God wants me to do. I will continue to pray about it, but I would value your opinion because I have read a lot of your posts and I do respect your opinion on many things.
If sowing leads to reaping, and you wish to put the Lord first (for where your treasure is, there your heart will also be), then why not give? Honor God in your finances, and He will bless you. Its that simple. I'm not saying you have to give of your inheritance, but what do your personal convictions tell you?

A lot of people like to automate their giving (to their Church) but maybe seek the Lord on where He'd like you to give? Yes, its good to support the place you're being spiritually fed, but there are so many people that need to be blessed and that God wants to reach. We are an extension of Christ to the world, His body, and so we ought to be wise, good stewards, listening to His voice and guidance. Maybe He wants you to support a ministry reaching the Jews, who knows? Its exciting to see where, through prayer, He would have you give some percentage to further grow His Kingdom and work.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I think maybe he needs to study the Bible for himself

he is sounding like someone who just believes what he is told and flips when those beliefs are challenged because he does not have a good foundation

and yeah I was hard on him too...because he needs to wake up

uh oh

Danny has the pastor told you that he is the authority?

that would also be a big nuh uh. you either really badly misunderstand your pastor (but prob not from the scriptures you say he has used) or you need to open up the word for yourself

you do need to wake up. we cannot pay our way to heaven. nobody buys salvation and God does not send people to hell because they did not give enough money according to the pastor

however liars, according to scripture, cannot enter heaven
 

Danny1988

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I think maybe he needs to study the Bible for himself

he is sounding like someone who just believes what he is told and flips when those beliefs are challenged because he does not have a good foundation

and yeah I was hard on him too...because he needs to wake up
Some people study the Bible all their lives and go to Church and give generously and do so many good things and they end up in eternal torment in hell.
Studying the Bible will avail you nothing, it will actually damn you more because God will hold you more accountable.
God is not impressed whit how smart you think you are, or how well you think you know the scriptures. Satan knows the Bible better than any person who ever lived and so do many other Devils who attended Church their whole lives.
Remember the thief on the cross, he knew nothing about the scriptures and he was saved. God looks at your heart, He's no respecter of persons, He's not impressed with you IQ score.
You are puffed up with pride, but remember pride comes before the big fall
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Some people study the Bible all their lives and go to Church and give generously and do so many good things and they end up in eternal torment in hell.
Studying the Bible will avail you nothing, it will actually damn you more because God will hold you more accountable.
God is not impressed whit how smart you think you are, or how well you think you know the scriptures. Satan knows the Bible better than any person who ever lived and so do many other Devils who attended Church their whole lives.
Remember the thief on the cross, he knew nothing about the scriptures and he was saved. God looks at your heart, He's no respecter of persons, He's not impressed with you IQ score.
You are puffed up with pride, but remember pride comes before the big fall
this is just silly

you have been saved for one year danny.

listen...if you think I have a big whopping IQ, then blame God. now that is a silly thing to say too

studying the Bible will avail a person nothing? then why are we told, IN the Bible, to study it?

I am actually more concerned about people being deceived then I am about what they think of my intellignece or anything else

you are just lashing out and I would rather you actually looked into the Bible for yourself instead of just eating up what you are told, badly digesting it and then flinging it a people because they try to show you what the Bible says

continue to insult me and or others. it reallys does not matter

what does matter, is that you believe what is true; what the Bible really says
 

shrume

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Ananias and Sapphira died because they lied to the Holy Spirit
God does not kill people for lying. If He did, we'd all be dead.

Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;