should Christians be racists?

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Endoscopy

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Your DNA claims about Jews has been explicitly refuted by your own source. To continue making them shows you to be a liar.
You have repeatedly said, "Jews have a Levitical genetic marker [showing them to be a race]." Your source says, "That [levitcal genetic marker] is relatively rare among Ashkenazim without a tradition of Levite descent and still more uncommon among Sephardim (both Levites and non-Levites) [to say nothing of this marker outside of any jewish population]."

You ignore the truth. You ignore God's word.

There's no such thing as Messianic Jew. It's an oxymoron. You ignore what the state of Israel says, too.

The kindest thing I can assume about a "Messianic Jew" is that they keep the word "Jew" as just a cultural, not a racial or religious, reference. But, the Jews believe them all to be liars, and I'm inclined to agree with the Jews.
In point of fact I am a devout Christian. I'm saved by grace through faith in Jesus. In other words you reject what I saw and heard while in the several trips I took to Israel on business. I installed, taught and repaired the telemetry systems my company, EMR Telemetry, sold. Do you know what the telemetry standards are? Look up IRIG 103. LOL
 

Endoscopy

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Your DNA claims about Jews has been explicitly refuted by your own source. To continue making them shows you to be a liar.
You have repeatedly said, "Jews have a Levitical genetic marker [showing them to be a race]." Your source says, "That [levitcal genetic marker] is relatively rare among Ashkenazim without a tradition of Levite descent and still more uncommon among Sephardim (both Levites and non-Levites) [to say nothing of this marker outside of any jewish population]."

You ignore the truth. You ignore God's word.

There's no such thing as Messianic Jew. It's an oxymoron. You ignore what the state of Israel says, too.

The kindest thing I can assume about a "Messianic Jew" is that they keep the word "Jew" as just a cultural, not a racial or religious, reference. But, the Jews believe them all to be liars, and I'm inclined to agree with the Jews.
The Ashkenazi are Jews who settled along the Rhine River. Most of them ceased to exist in WWII. You are calling the temple of Messianic Jews in the city I live in non existent. I can't wait to tell them they don't exist.

They are Jews by race not religious view like converts to Judiasim but are Christian by faith. They refer to themselves as Messianic Jews. They use that term to try to get non Christian Jews to come to the temple. You ignore what the different meanings of the word Jew has. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew by conversion.

In addition here is part of the site you say rejected the DNA marker.


In short, all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites are descended on their direct male lines from a single man (referred on this website at the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor) who lived about 1,743 years ago. About 7.9% of the Ashkenazi population - about 300,000 men living today - are descended from the R1a-Y2619 progenitor on their direct male lines. The R1a-Y2619 progenitor was very likely not only Jewish but also Levite, as is evidenced by the fact that men on all R1a-Y2619 branches are predominantly not only Jewish but also Levite. One major branch of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite includes known descendants of the Horowitz Levitical rabbinical family of Prague.

The R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor who lived about 1,743 years ago was very likely Ashkenazi. as is evidenced by the fact that men on all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi branches are predominantly of Ashkenazi origins; however, there has been some migration of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite lines to non-Ashkenazi regions. As of about 3,143 years ago, the direct male ancestor of the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line lived in the Middle East, as is demonstrated by the fact that the closest Y-DNA matches of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites - men who belong to the R1a-M582 Y-DNA cluster of which the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite cluster is a subcluster - are found predominantly in the Middle East (primarily in Iran). Because there is a bottleneck in the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line between the time of the R1a-M582 progenitor about 3,143 years ago and the time of the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor about 1,743 years ago, the Y-DNA evidence does not allow determinations as to when the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line (1) moved from the Middle East to Europe or (2) became part of the Jewish population.


AS YOU WERE SAYING!!! TRY TRUTH FOR ACHANGE!!
 

Lillywolf

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Are you saying the Bible is wrong??
The Bible tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
I stated, not every Christian loves themselves. There is nothing in that statement that contradicts the Bible.
In point of fact, that not every Christian loves themselves goes a long way to explain why those who claim Christ treat people like crap. How does someone know how to love others when they don't first know what love is by loving themselves?
 

Jackson123

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The Bible tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
I stated, not every Christian loves themselves. There is nothing in that statement that contradicts the Bible.
In point of fact, that not every Christian loves themselves goes a long way to explain why those who claim Christ treat people like crap. How does someone know how to love others when they don't first know what love is by loving themselves?

Most people love themselve but love other is not easy
 
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Lillywolf

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Most people love themselve but love other is not easy
You can't really quantify that statement.
The message in the sermon love your neighbor as you love yourself, was precisely to show the meaning of God's grace and love in comparison to our own for ourselves and others.

People who do not love themselves, some people don't even like themself, and call themselves Christian behave toward others precisely as they feel about themselves.
That's the meaning of the sermon. The love we hold for ourselves will reflect back in how we treat others.
 

Jackson123

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You can't really quantify that statement.
The message in the sermon love your neighbor as you love yourself, was precisely to show the meaning of God's grace and love in comparison to our own for ourselves and others.

People who do not love themselves, some people don't even like themself, and call themselves Christian behave toward others precisely as they feel about themselves.
That's the meaning of the sermon. The love we hold for ourselves will reflect back in how we treat others.
People who love themselve may not love other.

Most people even not Christian love themselve. For Example people work to feed themselve or they family, because they do not want hungry. Not easy to Find people work for other so other not hungry.

Love themselve or their family is normal, you do not need to be Christian.

Love other is not easy.
 
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a 'racist' is the dumbest of the dumbest, only the dumbest of the whole of society could come up with such an
unkind thought process'...to me, I feel that it is so very evil, thus, one of the most 'evil' things to bait
brother against another...HELLO!!!

MARK 12:36.
For David himself said by The Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you on My right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool.
 

Davenport

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a 'racist' is the dumbest of the dumbest, only the dumbest of the whole of society could come up with such an
unkind thought process'.
You sound very conditioned.

Do you even know what a racist is? Tell me.
 

trofimus

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The Ashkenazi are Jews who settled along the Rhine River. Most of them ceased to exist in WWII. You are calling the temple of Messianic Jews in the city I live in non existent. I can't wait to tell them they don't exist.

They are Jews by race not religious view like converts to Judiasim but are Christian by faith. They refer to themselves as Messianic Jews. They use that term to try to get non Christian Jews to come to the temple. You ignore what the different meanings of the word Jew has. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew by conversion.

In addition here is part of the site you say rejected the DNA marker.


In short, all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites are descended on their direct male lines from a single man (referred on this website at the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor) who lived about 1,743 years ago. About 7.9% of the Ashkenazi population - about 300,000 men living today - are descended from the R1a-Y2619 progenitor on their direct male lines. The R1a-Y2619 progenitor was very likely not only Jewish but also Levite, as is evidenced by the fact that men on all R1a-Y2619 branches are predominantly not only Jewish but also Levite. One major branch of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite includes known descendants of the Horowitz Levitical rabbinical family of Prague.

The R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor who lived about 1,743 years ago was very likely Ashkenazi. as is evidenced by the fact that men on all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi branches are predominantly of Ashkenazi origins; however, there has been some migration of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite lines to non-Ashkenazi regions. As of about 3,143 years ago, the direct male ancestor of the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line lived in the Middle East, as is demonstrated by the fact that the closest Y-DNA matches of R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites - men who belong to the R1a-M582 Y-DNA cluster of which the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite cluster is a subcluster - are found predominantly in the Middle East (primarily in Iran). Because there is a bottleneck in the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line between the time of the R1a-M582 progenitor about 3,143 years ago and the time of the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor about 1,743 years ago, the Y-DNA evidence does not allow determinations as to when the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite line (1) moved from the Middle East to Europe or (2) became part of the Jewish population.


AS YOU WERE SAYING!!! TRY TRUTH FOR ACHANGE!!
Just a question, how these "Jewish Levites origin" seekers in the DNA know what is the Levite trait in it?
 

Quantrill

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Jews are not a race, though.
But they are a particular people chosen by God. They are in contrast to the Gentiles who were not chosen. Most don't hate the Jews because God chose the Jews. They hate them because they are Jews.

So, God has a particular people He chose to be be the blessed people of the earth and the Gentiles were not.

Quantrill
 

Magenta

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You can't really quantify that statement.
The message in the sermon love your neighbor as you love yourself, was precisely to show the meaning of God's grace and love in comparison to our own for ourselves and others.

People who do not love themselves, some people don't even like themself, and call themselves Christian behave toward others precisely as they feel about themselves.
That's the meaning of the sermon. The love we hold for ourselves will reflect back in how we treat others.
Our love is inadequate. We need the love of God :) That is what Jesus was pressing Peter for, when He was asking him if he loved Him, and telling him to feed His sheep. Agape love :) And, it is what people are really searching for, and need...

 

Quantrill

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Hi, My understanding of why the Jews first thing, is that they were the first peoples to worship the One True God.
There was the true worship of God long before the Jews. But God did chose the Jews to be the people where His worship would be centered, and from where His revelations would come, and from where the Messiah would come, and from where salvation and rule over the whole earth would come.

Quantrill
 

trofimus

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He chose to be be the blessed people of the earth and the Gentiles were not.
This has ended 2,000 years ago.

Most don't hate the Jews because God chose the Jews. They hate them because they are Jews.
I do not know anybody who hates Jews. Maybe some neo-nazis, but they are very few. And muslims. The problem of today is, that any criticism of Israel, sionism or Jews is seen as "hate" or "antisemitism".
 

Magenta

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I do not know anybody who hates Jews. Maybe some neo-nazis, but they are very few. And muslims. The problem of today is, that any criticism of Israel, sionism or Jews is seen as "hate" or "antisemitism".
This sort of thing has been ongoing, for how long, now?


Yes, the vid is four years old, but has anything changed since then?

 

Quantrill

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This has ended 2,000 years ago.


I do not know anybody who hates Jews. Maybe some neo-nazis, but they are very few. And muslims. The problem of today is, that any criticism of Israel, sionism or Jews is seen as "hate" or "antisemitism".
Who says?

The point here is that the Jews are a specific people chosen by God. Their physical identity is just as important as their spiritual identity.
Thus we recognize them as a distinct people. Whether you want to classify them technically as a 'race' is immaterial. We treat them as a race of people. Which is not wrong.

This is why I say it is not wrong to be a racist when by racist you mean you recognize God made the races of men. Whereas in the U.S. we are supposed to ignore any such division of the races.

Quantrill