Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[Kerry]

Jesus is the Sabbath, how can you rest without Jesus? so you go to church on the Sabbath and you do your works. Look God has rejected the works of man. He will only accept the cross and the works of the Holy Spirit and nothing else.

Well bless God I go to church and I give my tithes and plus some, shoot I even cut the grass and play hands and pray for folks, I meant when I fart no body smells it.

He will only accept faith in the cross, when we do that, the Holy Spirit comes and causes us to live by His moral code and not what we do.

The question is where is your faith? in what you do or what Christ did?

 

[just-me]

I'm telling you that keeping a feast is a dangerous thing to do unless you are well founded in the cross. Because if you say I think I'm righteous because I keep this feast or I'm closer to God because I keep this feast. Your in for hurting.

1 Coringthains 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

If you don't want to do this because you believe it is dangerous I pity you. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Egypt is a parable of being brought out from underneath the slavery of worldly sins.

"The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep . Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt." (Exodus 34:18)

This is what happened to Israel on the 7th day of the feast of unleavened bread three days after they crossed the Red Sea. The time sequence is the same as Jonah walking to Nineveh after being thrown up by the fish that swallowed him. It took him 3 days to get there.

Exodus 15:22-25
22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.
23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.
24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying , What shall we drink ?
25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD *shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the **waters were made sweet : there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

This is what studying the feast will enlighten you to. It takes things that we read in the Bible and puts them together in a great and profound why. We observe God's timing. It's an ongoing cycle of events through history. Did Jesus not say to the woman at the well that He would give **living water so that we would never thirst? *Is not the tree likened unto the cross when we put it with the living water?

 

[Bookends]

The new covenant is Christ, do you really think that Christ destroyed everything of His Father? Christ said he didn't. When I get something new it is usually added to what I already have, something new does not require destroying anything old.

All these scripture you give to say that we have salvation and forgiveness of sin through Christ was not given to us to uphold disregarding law. Paul says "to the contrary".

The New Testament is the only book one needs to find Christ, the OT just strengthens the NT and points to the NT. The New Testament actually sheds light on the OLD.

 

[RedTent]

The Lord's prayer is an example. The disciples asked Him how shall we pray? then Jesus gave the example and its not a prayer that we should pray verbatim. It is a guide or example.

Matt 6
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name

Start with glorifying Him.

Give us this day our Daily bread

Signifies daily prayer that feeds and gives sustenance

For give us our debts as we forgive our debtors

Signifies that we are not perfect and have flaws and we should ask for forgiveness when we pray

Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil

Saying that we should pray not be tempted and when we are deliver us

For thine is the kingdom and glory forever

End with praise.

So is your point that we are instructed not to say this prayer verbatim? You seem to have a lot of legalistic rules about how to obey. I thought our one rule was to obey in spirit and truth. So to obey the direction of celebrating Christ with the feast would be an incorrect way to obey.

 

[Bookends]

What this amounts to is denying Christ! If you had faith in Christ you would believe Him and Christ said everything of His Father stayed.

You can check scripture to find that everything Christ made better is clearly shown. Animal blood, the earthly temple, the High Priest, nothing was destroyed when Christ made it better and replaced it. Christ did not say that He made the feasts better. The gentiles brought with them many feasts, moons and days and they were not to be accepted. If Christians kept the ones God ordained, they were not to be judged for it saying they were part of the strange ways of the Hebrews.

Jesus did destroy those things, the fall of Jerusalem 70AD. God was behind all that!

 

[just-me]

Just a question

Thee carnal mind that you posted upon post 279 in romans , Does this mind focus on teaching ot circumcision, feast , or new moons or special days to the assembly, or teaching to love one another ? At one point the circumcision was very important upon God people ,in the book of acts we can read there are beliving jews, that wanted Gentiles to not only obey the law of moses but become circumcise. But the Disciples agree not to put such burden on the Gentiles. Neither they want to be under that yoke. Yet Jesus disciples where jews.

There a diffrents between the old covenant & the Law of Christ.

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

call to serve one another


Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One cannot put themself back under the old covenant and be under the new covenant at the same time. The old covenant was given to Israel by God servent Moses it was very heavy, there were laws that put one to death. the only one that can circumcision the heart is God.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Just something to ponder on God bless

The carnal mind is incapable of understanding the spiritual concepts and truth of God's law. Those minds are the same as the Pharisees in Jesus day. They distorted it to fit their own understanding. People do the same thing today. Satan wants it gone. When that happens, (and it will) he will have full reign to overcome the saints. Our adversary hates the law of God. Jesus used the truth of God's law 3 times to ward off satan during the 40 days that He was in the wilderness before He started His ministry.

Revelation 13:6-7
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Bookends]

Is capital punishment to be biblical enforced today?

 

[RedTent]

The New Testament is the only book one needs to find Christ, the OT just strengthens the NT and points to the NT. The New Testament actually sheds light on the OLD.

That was Hitler's point when he worked with the Lutheran Church to get rid of the Old Testament, and he also said it was too Jewish. It is 78% of scripture, sure makes it easier for us. I saw that over 10% of the New Testament quotes the OT, and we could dispose of that, too, as unnecessary so all we need, really, is a short little book to give us all we need for our souls.

Someone told me that only reading the New Testament was like trying to understand High School without any grammar school, and when I got deeply into the OT, that made sense to me. With this attitude, it is no wonder so few understand Christ.

 

[just-me]

Is capital punishment to be biblical enforced today?

Yup. killing a murderer is loving your neighbor so they won't kill their family. feast on that one. no sense in paying for their upkeep in prison LOL
Let's keep the conversations on the feasts, not just the law in general.

 

[RedTent]

Jesus did destroy those things, the fall of Jerusalem 70AD. God was behind all that!

Christ said that in three days the temple would be raised again. So you have no temple?

 

[Bookends]

That was Hitler's point when he worked with the Lutheran Church to get rid of the Old Testament, and he also said it was too Jewish. It is 78% of scripture, sure makes it easier for us. I saw that over 10% of the New Testament quotes the OT, and we could dispose of that, too, as unnecessary so all we need, really, is a short little book to give us all we need for our souls.

Someone told me that only reading the New Testament was like trying to understand High School without any grammar school, and when I got deeply into the OT, that made sense to me. With this attitude, it is no wonder so few understand Christ.

OT was quoted to shed more light on it. I wouldn't take away the OT, I'm just say it isn't needed for one to find Christ...There you go again putting words into other's mouths that they did not say.

 

[Kerry]

So is your point that we are instructed not to say this prayer verbatim? You seem to have a lot of legalistic rules about how to obey. I thought our one rule was to obey in spirit and truth. So to obey the direction of celebrating Christ with the feast would be an incorrect way to obey.

The only the bible say's to celebrate Jesus and His cross is by participating in communion. I meant come on what good will come from reciting the Lords prayer? Paul didn't, Peter didn't they were praying for there needs and wher to go next to preach the Gospel. You will not find an apostle repeating the Lords prayer verbatim, it was an example or guide as to how we should pray.

Keeping Passover is an offense to the cross, In fact Christmas annuls the cross.

But it depends where your faith is. Is it in keeping feast or tabernacles? is it in keeping law?

None of this worked, In fact God said I abhor your sacrifices and feast, I will no longer accept them. I desire mercy.

JER 14

11 Then said the Lord unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.
12 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

Hosea 8


2 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lordaccepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Amos 5

21I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

This God rejecting works of the flesh.

 

[Kerry]

Christ said that in three days the temple would be raised again. So you have no temple?

Christ was raised in three days, the temple was destroyed because God no longer needed it. The temple is the Human body of those that beleive.

 

[Bookends]

Christ said that in three days the temple would be raised again. So you have no temple?

He was referring to His body, not the building. The physical temple was the anti-type to the Christ. God was behind destroying of the anti-type. Not destroying the meaning of it or significance/role it played in teaching us the Real Temple, but destroying it as being the center or object of worship.

 

[just-me]

OT was quoted to shed more light on it. I wouldn't take away the OT, I'm just say it isn't needed for one to find Christ...There you go again putting words into other's mouths that they did not say.

When the NT quotes the OT it brings more of an impact to the meaning. I'll quote some of what the beloved disciple to Jesus said.
1 John 2:7-9
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past , and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

This is relation to the law of love.

Leviticus 19:11-18
11 Ye shall not steal , neither deal falsely , neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 1
8 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

 

[Bookends]

The only the bible say's to celebrate Jesus and His cross is by participating in communion. I meant come on what good will come from reciting the Lords prayer? Paul didn't, Peter didn't they were praying for there needs and wher to go next to preach the Gospel. You will not find an apostle repeating the Lords prayer verbatim, it was an example or guide as to how we should pray.

Keeping Passover is an offense to the cross, In fact Christmas annuls the cross.

But it depends where your faith is. Is it in keeping feast or tabernacles? is it in keeping law?

None of this worked, In fact God said I abhor your sacrifices and feast, I will no longer accept them. I desire mercy.

JER 14

11 Then said the Lord unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.
12 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

Hosea 8


2 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lordaccepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Amos 5

21I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

This God rejecting works of the flesh.

That's enough for me, Good post man! Night all.

 

[KohenMatt]

Originally Posted by KohenMatt

Remind me, what was your original point? (We've both been trying to make several points)

My point is that people were saying you to be circumcised and had to obey the law to be saved. The council responded back that you only needed to avoid the mean and fornication. They weren't speaking against obedience to the Law as a whole.

Kohen, If the point/issue was strictly circumcision, then why mention the other things

In the pursuit of brevity, I didn't include everything listed, although I implied everything already mentioned.

 

[Bookends]

When the NT quotes the OT it brings more of an impact to the meaning. I'll quote some of what the beloved disciple to Jesus said.
1 John 2:7-9
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past , and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

This is relation to the law of love.

Leviticus 19:11-18
11 Ye shall not steal , neither deal falsely , neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 1
8 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

John was quoting Jesus, from the NT...The beginning John is talking about was when the disciples first walked with Jesus. I'm not that Jesus wasn't quoting the OT, because he often did.

 

[just-me]

He was referring to His body, not the building. The physical temple was the anti-type to the Christ. God was behind destroying of the anti-type. Not destroying the meaning of it or significance/role it played in teaching us the Real Temple, but destroying it as being the center or object of worship.

I agree with you on that one. I don't know what you mean by "anti-type" though.
In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. (Hebrews 8:13 and the next verse Hebrews 9:1)

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up .
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building , and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

 

[RedTent]

Keeping Passover is an offense to the cross, In fact Christmas annuls the cross.

But it depends where your faith is. Is it in keeping feast or tabernacles? is it in keeping law?

None of this worked, In fact God said I abhor your sacrifices and feast, I will no longer accept them. I desire mercy.

Your preaching can be compared to someone saying you may learn all about swimming but don't swim. You may go to college and get a teacher's degree, but don't teach. It would deny the faith you have in your learning to actually do what you prepare yourself for, your faith in it is enough.

It seems strange to me that your mind is so set against any performance that you will fight tooth and nail to uphold your right to deny.