should women submit totaly to their husbands
- Thread starter NoahsDad
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
- Status
Click here to read Elisabeth Elliot's answer to your question (it's about one page):
http://www.elisabethelliot.org/newsletters/july-aug-93.pdf (The "S" Word)
http://www.elisabethelliot.org/newsletters/july-aug-93.pdf (The "S" Word)
Yes, exactly, I get this from Gill's commentary:
and he shall rule over thee, with less kindness and gentleness, with more rigour and strictness: it looks as if before the transgression there was a greater equality between the man and the woman, or man did not exercise the authority over the woman he afterwards did, or the subjection of her to him was more pleasant and agreeable than now it would be; and this was her chastisement, because she did not ask advice of her husband about eating the fruit, but did it of herself, without his will and consent, and tempted him to do the same.
but I think I like Barne's commentary better:
If man had not sinned, he would always have ruled with wisdom and love; and, if the woman had not sinned, she would always have obeyed with humility and meekness; and then the dominion would have been no grievance: but our own sin and folly make our yoke heavy. If Eve had not eaten forbidden fruit herself, and tempted her husband to eat it, she would never have complained of her subjection; therefore it ought never to be complained of, though harsh; but sin must be complained of, that made it so. Those wives who not only despise and disobey their husbands, but domineer over them, do not consider that they not only violate a divine law, but thwart a divine sentence.
and he shall rule over thee, with less kindness and gentleness, with more rigour and strictness: it looks as if before the transgression there was a greater equality between the man and the woman, or man did not exercise the authority over the woman he afterwards did, or the subjection of her to him was more pleasant and agreeable than now it would be; and this was her chastisement, because she did not ask advice of her husband about eating the fruit, but did it of herself, without his will and consent, and tempted him to do the same.
but I think I like Barne's commentary better:
If man had not sinned, he would always have ruled with wisdom and love; and, if the woman had not sinned, she would always have obeyed with humility and meekness; and then the dominion would have been no grievance: but our own sin and folly make our yoke heavy. If Eve had not eaten forbidden fruit herself, and tempted her husband to eat it, she would never have complained of her subjection; therefore it ought never to be complained of, though harsh; but sin must be complained of, that made it so. Those wives who not only despise and disobey their husbands, but domineer over them, do not consider that they not only violate a divine law, but thwart a divine sentence.
Yes you should be submissive to your husband. But not to the fact that you are his child. He is to treat you as an equal not a slave. In Eph 5 and 1Peter3 it talks about the wife being submissive as well as the husband loving his wife as Christ loves the church. It is a 2 part order, yet if the husband is not doing his part you ar a wife do yours.
B
The old testiment tells a lot of stories and have many verses that I would not think are things that apply to today. So I don't use the old testement in this area. I also think everything is not always black and white. If a woman is being beaten, or being verbally abused, or made to feel less than what God has intended her to be, I don't think submission is a good idea. It just enables the issues the husband has.
I think we have to look at every situation and put it before God and go from there. And if everyone wants to be so "literal" then many christians shoudn't be remarried after a divorce, yet that is widely accepted by the church. And Jesus himself talked about that. So I thinkk we need to look at what submission really means. I see it more as a respect for my husband. The rule always was, if we both dont' agree, we dont' do it. Works real well for the church I was in and that was 8 men having to be in agreement before anything moved forward.
I think we have to look at every situation and put it before God and go from there. And if everyone wants to be so "literal" then many christians shoudn't be remarried after a divorce, yet that is widely accepted by the church. And Jesus himself talked about that. So I thinkk we need to look at what submission really means. I see it more as a respect for my husband. The rule always was, if we both dont' agree, we dont' do it. Works real well for the church I was in and that was 8 men having to be in agreement before anything moved forward.
jaylynn.. Gill's commentary on the bible.. i got it as a add in with e-sword . www.e-sword.net. very useful electronic bible. A bit about Gill,
John Gill (November 23, 1697 – October 14, 1771) was an English Baptist, a biblical scholar, and a staunch Calvinist. He was born in Kettering, Northamptonshire. In his youth, he attended Kettering Grammar School, mastering the Latin classics and learning Greek by age eleven. The young scholar continued self-study in everything from logic to Hebrew. His love for Hebrew would follow Gill throughout his life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gill_(theologian)
John Gill (November 23, 1697 – October 14, 1771) was an English Baptist, a biblical scholar, and a staunch Calvinist. He was born in Kettering, Northamptonshire. In his youth, he attended Kettering Grammar School, mastering the Latin classics and learning Greek by age eleven. The young scholar continued self-study in everything from logic to Hebrew. His love for Hebrew would follow Gill throughout his life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gill_(theologian)
M
a South African Pastor told it like this.......instead of the triangle looking like this /\ with God at the top, then man under him and woman under the man.....the triangle looks like this > sideways...God above.....the man leading with his wife behind him but both under God......they are equal under God but with different roles.......and as this Pastor put it......because the man is in front he is in the firing line if their unit is attacked.....leadership in a marriage is a major responsibility.....
There was a woman who shared a testimony, with a small group, about her marriage to a man who was unsaved and wanted nothing to do with her conversion during the early years of their marriage. She struggled with this early in her walk with God because she wanted so much for her husband to be saved and to know the love of God. She mentioned that he would come home late from work and would always wake her up because he wanted to have... you know... with me, his wife. This went on for quite awhile and there was times when she just didn't want any part of it. She had read all the scriptures and prayed about it extensively with no seeming response from God. One evening he came home from work and woke her to have... you know.... and in her heart she cried out to God and this is what God told her. You read in the scriptures that your body belongs to your husband and you are to submit to him as it is fit in the LORD. I made you to fit with your husband and it is fit to submit to the husband you have. So she did from then on, without complaining or being resentfulness.
Here is the fruit of her submission that she had no idea would happen. Her husband never got involved with another woman nor desired to leave her. She was able to attend church and be a participant any time she wanted, no questions asked. Thirty years have gone by and all three of her beautiful children came to Christ and are serving God. Her husband was still unsaved, all that time, until recently. In her case the submission that was importance to God was in the bedroom. That is where the trial of her faith took place. She didn't have problems in others areas, just that one and God honored her faith and obedience went beyond what she asked and thought possible.
Here is the fruit of her submission that she had no idea would happen. Her husband never got involved with another woman nor desired to leave her. She was able to attend church and be a participant any time she wanted, no questions asked. Thirty years have gone by and all three of her beautiful children came to Christ and are serving God. Her husband was still unsaved, all that time, until recently. In her case the submission that was importance to God was in the bedroom. That is where the trial of her faith took place. She didn't have problems in others areas, just that one and God honored her faith and obedience went beyond what she asked and thought possible.
B
There was a woman who shared a testimony, with a small group, about her marriage to a man who was unsaved and wanted nothing to do with her conversion during the early years of their marriage. She struggled with this early in her walk with God because she wanted so much for her husband to be saved and to know the love of God. She mentioned that he would come home late from work and would always wake her up because he wanted to have... you know... with me, his wife. This went on for quite awhile and there was times when she just didn't want any part of it. She had read all the scriptures and prayed about it extensively with no seeming response from God. One evening he came home from work and woke her to have... you know.... and in her heart she cried out to God and this is what God told her. You read in the scriptures that your body belongs to your husband and you are to submit to him as it is fit in the LORD. I made you to fit with your husband and it is fit to submit to the husband you have. So she did from then on, without complaining or being resentfulness.
Here is the fruit of her submission that she had no idea would happen. Her husband never got involved with another woman nor desired to leave her. She was able to attend church and be a participant any time she wanted, no questions asked. Thirty years have gone by and all three of her beautiful children came to Christ and are serving God. Her husband was still unsaved, all that time, until recently. In her case the submission that was importance to God was in the bedroom. That is where the trial of her faith took place. She didn't have problems in others areas, just that one and God honored her faith and obedience went beyond what she asked and thought
I don't believe that God would condone having sex with someone you don't want to. That is equivalent to rape. We all have to be careful to take section of the bible literally and forget to include the whole context of the bible. Thi sis something I would not reccomend
Here is the fruit of her submission that she had no idea would happen. Her husband never got involved with another woman nor desired to leave her. She was able to attend church and be a participant any time she wanted, no questions asked. Thirty years have gone by and all three of her beautiful children came to Christ and are serving God. Her husband was still unsaved, all that time, until recently. In her case the submission that was importance to God was in the bedroom. That is where the trial of her faith took place. She didn't have problems in others areas, just that one and God honored her faith and obedience went beyond what she asked and thought
I don't believe that God would condone having sex with someone you don't want to. That is equivalent to rape. We all have to be careful to take section of the bible literally and forget to include the whole context of the bible. Thi sis something I would not reccomend
That story was from a woman, it was her testimony concerning her relationship and she gave it as a testimony of God's grace, patience, obedience and fruit. It was not a recommendation or given with that intent. The woman was never raped by her husband and to throw that thought and imagination into it, is not very wise and I am sure she would lovingly tell you different.
I think you can take this (and apply it) pretty literally:
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
hmmm... With respect to the bedroom...I think yes, a woman should submit to her husband... providing he is honoring her as outlined in the rules of the old testament as to clean and unclean times. There were reasons for these rules and they make sence. Anyway I think women forget that there are things that are more important to men than women but it is up to us to make sure that he is fulfilled so that yes, he doesnt burn with desire. I know that women have different desire levels than men (at least most of the women I know) it takes more time for a woman, if we wait till we are into it... months could go by!! To what result? Its my opinion that men need the emotional connection there, and whether we care to admit it or not we do too. So if you are having negative thoughts during this time, you need to change your mind and love your husband. I had weird hormonal changes when i was pregnant with my son... in discussing this with my husband I found that eurika, I understood a tiny bit of what it is to be a man! we definitely shouldnt let them go through life feeling unfullfilled in that area. I reiterate that I have a husband who loves me, so again, it is easy to be submissive, dont know if i would have this opinion if he treated me like dirt.
- Status