Simplicity in Christ

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2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The simplicity that is in Christ is important. Does anyone notice that in this verse it teaches that the Devil does not want it to be simple. You might notice with false doctrines that alot of it is not as simple as the truth. The serpent complicated things for Eve. The truth is simple. The lie is not as simple. God told Eve the truth. All she had to do was not eat the fruit. That's simple! We could live forever and never eat a fruit. The lie of the Devil is not as simple.The Devil said she would be like God, that's not simple. The Devil called God a liar. Now Eve thinks God is a liar. That's not simple! She lost God's fellowship; that's not simple. Nothing about the lie is simple. She would lose her walk with God. She would have to deal with whatever the fruit did to her. In conclusion, we should beware of things that are not simple. If it gets to complicated and doesn't fit the truth, we should consider if we are being tricked.
 
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in some cases, God and Christ are very simple, while in others they are not. However, in light of what you said you have revealed something to me this day... The complex principles of God are all in areas that retaliate Evil.
 
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in some cases, God and Christ are very simple, while in others they are not. However, in light of what you said you have revealed something to me this day... The complex principles of God are all in areas that retaliate Evil.
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However the gospel is simple...Repent, and obey.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The simplicity that is in Christ is important. Does anyone notice that in this verse it teaches that the Devil does not want it to be simple. You might notice with false doctrines that alot of it is not as simple as the truth. The serpent complicated things for Eve. The truth is simple. The lie is not as simple. God told Eve the truth. All she had to do was not eat the fruit. That's simple! We could live forever and never eat a fruit. The lie of the Devil is not as simple.The Devil said she would be like God, that's not simple. The Devil called God a liar. Now Eve thinks God is a liar. That's not simple! She lost God's fellowship; that's not simple. Nothing about the lie is simple. She would lose her walk with God. She would have to deal with whatever the fruit did to her. In conclusion, we should beware of things that are not simple. If it gets to complicated and doesn't fit the truth, we should consider if we are being tricked.
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Yes. Complexities like the nebulous, mysterious, misunderstood, unexplainable Trinity error should be avoided.
 
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that's the gospel?
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Yep, as Jesus said ''repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.'' Luke 24:47
 
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?? i always thought the part about Jesus dying on the cross and how He fulfilled OT was a pretty important part of the gospel message.....

Luke 24
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
 
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?? i always thought the part about Jesus dying on the cross and how He fulfilled OT was a pretty important part of the gospel message.....

Luke 24
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
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Yeah i would say that is important, but what does it profit us without repentance????
 
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4runner said:
Yep, as Jesus said ''repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.'' Luke 24:47
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well we have at last the most important part of the Gospel making a rare appearance in your posts: forgiveness of sins.
but the Gospel is only for sinners.

Luke 5:32
New International Version (©1984)
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

New Living Translation (©2007)
I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent."

English Standard Version (©2001)
I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
 
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Yeah i would say that is important, but what does it profit us without repentance????
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Hebrews 6:1
New International Version (©1984)
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

New Living Translation (©2007)
So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
 
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Hebrews 6:1
New International Version (©1984)
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

New Living Translation (©2007)
So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
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I totally agree. That is why I find it strange that some churches teach the salvation message every single Sunday. Why dont they move on to discipleship?

However the gospel itself is still about repentance.
 
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I totally agree. that why i find it strange that some church teach a salvation message every single Sunday. why dont they move on to discipleship?

However the gospel itself is still about repentance.
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which is it?

um.........if there's a church out there teaching a salvation message every sunday i'd like to know about it. ever occur to you there are people in churches every sunday who need to hear it? some aren't saved yet.

and the Gospel message is for CHRISTIANS.
it doesn't take very long under pressure from perfectionists and legalists for christians to forget the Gospel and start locking themselves up in bondage and working to earn God's favour.

i have no idea what your idea of discipleship is, but Dominionism ain't it 4runner.
 
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which is it?

um.........if there's a church out there teaching a salvation message every sunday i'd like to know about it. ever occur to you there are people in churches every sunday who need to hear it? some aren't saved yet.

and the Gospel message is for CHRISTIANS.
it doesn't take very long under pressure from perfectionists and legalists for christians to forget the Gospel and start locking themselves up in bondage and working to earn God's favour.

i have no idea what your idea of discipleship is, but Dominionism ain't it 4runner.
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Well since dominionist are post millennial, and I am premillennial, I would have to agree that dominionism is not discipleship. However most people in church are ''professing christians''. Churches need to disciple believers, not tell them how to become saved. Although i do agree there may be some in church this Sunday that still need Salvation, but I believe God can stir them regardless of the subject of the Sermon
 
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Well since dominionist are post millennial, and I am premillennial, I would have to agree that dominionism is not discipleship. However most people in church are ''professing christians''. Churches need to disciple believers, not tell them how to become saved. Although i do agree there may be some in church this Sunday that still need Salvation, but I believe God can stir them regardless of the subject of the Sermon
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stir them to what?
leaving having heard The Law only?
GOD FORBID.

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Galatians 3
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected bya the flesh? 4Did you sufferb so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justifyc the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”d 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirite through faith.


is Paul continually preaching the Gospel to churches?
why? what happened at Galatia?
 
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Well since dominionist are post millennial, and I am premillennial, I would have to agree that dominionism is not discipleship. However most people in church are ''professing christians''. Churches need to disciple believers, not tell them how to become saved. Although i do agree there may be some in church this Sunday that still need Salvation, but I believe God can stir them regardless of the subject of the Sermon
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no longer quite that simple 4runner. accept responsibility for your position.

but that was always the plan. merge all those who never understood John 18:36.
a little leaven leaventh the whole lump.

....Indeed, some have explicitly stated that all Christians who support a Christian agenda are assisting the dominionist philosophy. Frankly, that accusation is not far from the truth. Most people who could be called true Christians today may have beliefs that support a so-called dominionist ideology. The popularity of the Left Behind books and movies indicates the possible prevalence of a pre-millennial philosophy in Christian circles. Those who support the prohibition of abortion on moral grounds are expressing a potentially reconstructionist view. Many Christians say they would support a Christian political candidate who shared their conservative views; though “world dominance” is not part of that mantra, such Christians could be accused of tacitly supporting the installation of dominionists...

God and Country Pre-millennial, Reconstructionist, Dominionist, Evangelical Christians


John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
 
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John 12/44: Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth NOT on me, but on him that sent me.


Teach NOT Christ crucified; but rather YEA! :eek: :eek: :cool: :) :D Rather;

HE HAS RISEN.​

Praise Be To YEHOVAH​

Judah be to Yashua Messiah​

JESUS THE CHRIST​

Forever in Christ :)​
 
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Yeah i would say that is important, but what does it profit us without repentance????
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what is repentance without remission for those sins?

you can't just tell people half the truth for then you make the truth a lie.

(not saying you do but many walk away with only half the gospel

one of either how sinful and depraved they are and need to repent without the message of How Jesus died on the cross for the remission of those sins.

Others preach God's salvation without the need for repentance in the first place and then you get the antinomianism spoken of on another thread.
 
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AnandaHya said:
what is repentance without remission for those sins?

you can't just tell people half the truth for then you make the truth a lie.

(not saying you do but many walk away with only half the gospel

one of either how sinful and depraved they are and need to repent without the message of How Jesus died on the cross for the remission of those sins.

Others preach God's salvation without the need for repentance in the first place and then you get the antinomianism spoken of on another thread.
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I agree both side needs to be preached.
 
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I totally agree. That is why I find it strange that some churches teach the salvation message every single Sunday. Why dont they move on to discipleship?

However the gospel itself is still about repentance.
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Heb 6 :1-3
More than that, that's the entry to receive grace and the bible is about love unfeigned, unconditional, unmerited goodness compassion and mercy of God bro. Otherwise we will walk in a pity party all day over ourselves that we just don't measure up no matter how hard we try.

Most churches Iv heard last decade has been "give money" messages every Sunday offering message how you will get if you give, slot machine ministries.
Give expecting nothing in return then you shall be like your Father in heaven who gives the sun to shine on the good and the evil.(paraphrased)
 
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