SIN IS SIN

[Grace777x70]

What I find funny about "confessing sins" is that sometimes we usually don't really confess the real sin.

Example:..I go to the store and steal food .

The "sin" of stealing the food is just the "fruit" of my real sin....which is....I do not trust in my loving heavenly Father to provide for me as He said He would. This is the real sin behind stealing.

This is real "missing the mark" which what the Greek word for sin actually means.

...just thinkin' out loud here...

 

[sharkwhales]

Sin is sin. Never forget the price of that sin that our Savior paid on the cross. If we are to leave the World, live as Christ would, how can ANY true Christian even begin to think sin is okay or just? They are blinded by false belief, tricked by ways of the World. Again, to clarify, if someone outside of the Church is sinning, who does not proclaim themselves as Christian, it is not our duty as Christians to judge that person or persons(s). That is God's duty to give those souls the opportunity to know Christ. And it is our place to show them by example, so they may see the good works we do, and want to follow the path of righteousness. They are NOT aware of sin. So we are not in the standing to judge them on that sin, for they don't even know they are sinning. And because of that, they cannot yet repent.

-BUT- it IS DEFINITELY our job as Christians to JUDGE righteously those in the CHURCH who proclaim sin as okay. Doing so in a firm knowledge of the Word, and in a patient- compassionate way as Christ would. Don't be lukewarm or extreme. Be as Christ was.

I agree, it's not possible to overcome with Christ if we discard the truth about the obstacles we are meant to overcome. It's disheartening when the world bends ethics for it's own purposes and more so when Christians bend theology to go along with the world. However once the truth of what is right and wrong is recognized, the solution is always to realign focus on God... not on the wrong, or on how wrong we are or how wrong someone else is, but on how right God is.

As for judging, I think we are meant to mature into judging and discerning whether things line up with God's values of truth, love, and life.

I think the 'judge not' passages referred to people applying standards outwardly, that they could not bear having applied to themselves. I've heard a teacher (Ian Clayton) say that we are supposed to receive the judgement on ourselves first, which we can bear with Christ, and then we have authority to judge others.

Even then I think it's fruitless to judge someone's salvation, future, or their relationship with God, because this is known only by God. But to judge whether an action is right or wrong, and what the fruit of it is, this is encouraged for the sake of changing it in a positive direction (if you aren't helping to change it in a positive direction, you need to figure out how to help instead of just saying things are bad).

Using right judgement even includes rejecting people's descriptions and judgements of themselves. When people define themselves by their sin, by calling themselves sinners or various sin-related terms, or even unknowingly by calling themselves any of the false identities the world gives, these are self-judgements and self-definitions that we are meant not to accept. Withholding judgement sometimes is also powerful, if it's 'not our jurisdiction' spiritually. It makes room for grace and to be able to support a person. But again, that is judgement of the person... judging their actions, the cycles of thought-action-result which may even become a lifestyle, judging any bad values, all is necessary in order to preserve and empower Holy Spirit alternatives to those things.

Even calling something good is a judgement, and it's necessary to focus on the good to keep going, so if you only ever perceive the wrongness of things then it's important to ask God what's tampering with your perspective.

“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light.But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!" (matthew 6:22-23)

 

[gb9]

What I find funny about "confessing sins" is that sometimes we usually don't really confess the real sin.

Example:..I go to the store and steal food .

The "sin" of stealing the food is just the "fruit" of my real sin....which is....I do not trust in my loving heavenly Father to provide for me as He said He would. This is the real sin behind stealing.

This is real "missing the mark" which what the Greek word for sin actually means.

...just thinkin' out loud here...

good thinking!!!

 

[mpaper345]

God said all unrighteousness is sin,and if you broke the least of the law,you broke the whole law.

We are to be like Christ,led by the Spirit,which the Bible says we will display the characteristics of the Spirit,which there is no law,and we are not under the law,which means you are acting like Christ,and not going by the flesh,therefore the law cannot touch you for prosecution,but if you sin you are back under the law,until you repent and are led of the Spirit.

If someone claims Christ,but they have a sin they will not get rid of,then they are under the law,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,so anytime a person engages in sin,they are not led of the Spirit,at that time,until they repent of that sin.

It would not make sense for God to be so against sin,that Jesus had to suffer physically to take it away,and then when we are saved,if we engage in sin,it is alright,and we are right with Him,but the saints should know better,and the reason Jesus came was to cause us to have the Spirit,by His blood,that washes our sins away,so we can live like Christ,which is the only way to please God,for anytime someone engages in sin,it is of the flesh,and they that are in the flesh cannot please God,so the only way you can please God is to be led of the Spirit,which will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.

 

[royalscot]

what law, was given to a gentile ,that he should repent. Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council

.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
we( jewish christians )also believe, that we also are saved by the grace of jesus christ. just like the gentile christians.


.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith(that would be jewish christians and gentile christians)

 

[iwant2serve]

No. Wrong. He says it in the context of continuing to walk in the light (v 7), and walking means continuance. We continually need the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin. I know of no believer who loves GOD with heart, soul mind and strength , so EVERY believer is continually a sinner,

The bible makes perfectly clear that every believer continues to sin. That is why we need to have Christ's righteousness. That alone will save us from the searching eye of the Law,

1 John 1:5-8

5 This is the message we heard from Jesus[c] and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. 6 So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. 7 But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. 9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

This context is our need for Jesus not that a person cannot stop sinning. I am not proclaiming as many call it sinless perfection either but let me ask this. Can you go one minute, one hour, or half a day, or a full day without sinning? If you answer yes then why can't you live one minute, one hour, half a day ot one full day at a time?

 

[thepsalmist]

JOHN 3:16 “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

Now ... even demons believe in Jesus ... yet shudder.

Belief in Jesus that leads to eternal life is one that is accompanied by a love for Him and His ways.

 

[john832]

It seems this site is being taken over by the "if it feels good do it "crowd ... and attack anyone that promotes biblical godliness as some kind of hateful hypocrite.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mitspa again.

 

[john832]

What I find funny about "confessing sins" is that sometimes we usually don't really confess the real sin.

Example:..I go to the store and steal food .

The "sin" of stealing the food is just the "fruit" of my real sin....which is....I do not trust in my loving heavenly Father to provide for me as He said He would. This is the real sin behind stealing.

This is real "missing the mark" which what the Greek word for sin actually means.

...just thinkin' out loud here...

Well, not trusting God is a sin but stealing the food is also a sin.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well, not trusting God is a sin but stealing the food is also a sin.

Amen...that's exactly what I said. I agree with you. Stealing is a fruit of the other sin ( not believing and trusting in the goodness of our Father to care for us like He said He would ) which is the root cause of the stealing.

 

[royalscot]

steal
stiːl/
verb
[COLOR=#878787 !important]gerund or present participle: stealing[/COLOR]

• 1.
  take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
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  [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
  [TD]purloin, thieve, take, take for oneself, help oneself to, loot, pilfer,abscond with, run off with, appropriate, abstract, carry off, shoplift;More
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  • dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.
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    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]plagiarize, copy, pass off as one's own, infringe the copyright of,pirate, poach, borrow, appropriate; More
    
    
    
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  • take the opportunity to give or share (a kiss) when it is not expected or when people are not watching.
    [COLOR=#878787 !important]"he stole kisses in shop doorways"[/COLOR]
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    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]snatch, sneak, obtain stealthily, get surreptitiously"she was a beauty, and he'd often wanted to steal a kiss"
    
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dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.

misrepresent, an other persons ideas or meaning to what was said. etc

misrepresent
ˌmɪsrɛprɪˈzɛnt/
verb
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• give a false or misleading account of the nature of.
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  [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
  [TD]give a false account of, give a false idea of, misstate, misreport,misquote, quote/take out of context, garble, misinterpret, put a spin on,falsify, fudge, pervert, belie, distort, warp, strain, colour, manipulate,parody, travesty, conceal, disguise"you are misrepresenting the views of the government"
  
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saved by grace a gift, etc

 

[Marcelo]

I just posted this on my Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/slusherolivia/

This is a topic that really gets me going! I felt the need to share it here on CC, for everyone to read, especially those of you who consider yourselves to be Christian, yet think sin is okay, support sin and others in sin, or continue to sin with the excuse of "I'm human. It's natural to sin."


Many churches teach that Jesus paid for ALL our sins - past, present and future. I had a co-worker (a sunday school teacher) who would constantly say the following: "I will be saved even if I have a deadly heart attack during an act of adultery, just because I accepted Jesus and got baptized". I don't have such "faith".

 

[royalscot]

For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.John 3

why are some, still looking at sin and clam to save them selfs etc ..........................



to add to the former post steal or stealing. etc