Sins Of Israel

[studentoftheword]

You probably understand 1 Cor 2:14 differently than I do, but to my understanding, the natural man, before he has been born again, cannot pray to a spiritual God, nor repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.

I agree that the Natural man is an unbeliever and away from God and therefore God"s face is hid from them so God does not hear to answer their prayers -----they can pray all they want to and God does hear their plea but because of their sin His Face is Hid from them so He does not hear to answer their prayers ----

I also agree that the Natural man thinks that God's Word is foolish and therefore there is no need for them to repent of anything because they are unbelievers and sin is their way of life ----they know nothing else ----that is why Believers are not to Judge unbelievers as they are living the way of the world and know no better --they are living as they should be -----

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes indeed we have to always first acknowledge what we’ve done and repent whenever we realize we’ve done something wrong ,

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”( because he knows it’s wrong and still does it )
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and need to get back to doing right according to the gospel

But you’re absolutely corrrect God doesn’t come and go. Ashes in whether we’re perfect or not when we receive the spirit he’s there with us at our worst and still there when we’re doing what we’re supposed to do

judgement day is when things will be defined at the end of life on earth if we’ve served the devil all along we’re going to receive That reward and if we’ve followed Jesus even though we struggles and need to repent through life as we followed we’re going to receive a disciples reward

He doesn’t come and go based on our imperfections he’s always there and won’t leave us until we come home and face judgement right now he’s patient and merciful and forebearing towards us so we will come to that place of repentance where it actually bothers us when we’ve done something wrong to someone and repentance becomes part of the heart and keeps us from repeating constant the same things that grieve us in our heart and this grieve the holy spirit who is with us till judgement

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This terminology of "saved" would indicate being saved (delivered) while they live in this present world.

your really hard to actually discuss the Bible with

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree that the Natural man is an unbeliever and away from God and therefore God"s face is hid from them so God does not hear to answer their prayers -----they can pray all they want to and God does hear their plea but because of their sin His Face is Hid from them so He does not hear to answer their prayers ----

I also agree that the Natural man thinks that God's Word is foolish and therefore there is no need for them to repent of anything because they are unbelievers and sin is their way of life ----they know nothing else ----that is why Believers are not to Judge unbelievers as they are living the way of the world and know no better --they are living as they should be -----

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Know ye not, brethren, how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? …Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need to leave sin behind us with the law and embrace our new life of repentance and righteousness found in the gospel

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This is false Doctrine -----when a person becomes born again their sins past --present and future are forgiven by the shedding of the blood of Jesus -----and your always connected to God because the Holy Spirit dwells in you ---You have Christ in you all the time -----The Holy spirit is God ---so your never away from God when a believer misses the mark ------

When a born again person sins the Holy Spirit Convicts that person of their sin and the person is to confess the sin ---
Why -------because it reminds us that we are still weak in the flesh and by confessing our sin when it takes place we are acknowledging that we need to do better and call on God's Grace to help us in our weak moments and to stay out of sin ------

God's Grace is not a licence TO sin ---it is there to help us stay out of SIN ------Jesus is full of Grace ----Grace and Truth came by way and through Jesus Christ ---

God said to Paul ----

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First of all, the natural man, before he has been quickened to the new spiritual life cannot repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, because he cannot discern them, thinking them to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:14)

Secondly, God will not fellowship sin, even turning his back on his own Son, during the three hours of darkness, as his Son bore the sins of those that God gave him and gave them the promise of their inheritance of heaven.

When one of his adopted children commits a sin, God will, also turn his back on them, and chasten them until they repent.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

your really hard to actually discuss the Bible with

Ir disturbs me that most people deny that an all powerful God, can accomplish his will among the inhabitants of earth, saying that he wants to save all of mankind eternally, but he is just not powerful enough to accomplish it.

Also denying that Jesus died in vain, claiming that he died for all mankind, but his blood was not effective enough to save all mankind eternally.

By rightly dividing the scriptures, he did actually save eternally all of those that he died for, which were only those that his Father gave to him. John 6:39) (John 10:26-29)./

You promote a false doctrine that teaches man's power overrides God's power, giving man the praise and honor, that should be given to God.

Dan 4:35 - And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing, and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand, nor say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

when we receive the spirit he’s there with us at our worst and still there when we’re doing what we’re supposed to do

Can you furnish me a scripture that says the natural man receives the Holy Spirit?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

judgement day is when things will be defined at the end of life on earth if we’ve served the devil all along we’re going to receive That reward and if we’ve followed Jesus even though we struggles and need to repent through life as we followed we’re going to receive a disciples reward

God's born again children will not be judged at the last day, but are judged by God's chastenings as they dwell here on earth, and they are not worthy of an award. Their gift of eternal life was accomplished on the cross for all of those that God gave to Jesus, which was not all mankind.

 

[studentoftheword]

When one of his adopted children commits a sin, God will, also turn his back on them, and chasten them until they repent.

I challenge you to provide the scripture that says a believer is not Forgiven of their sins --past --Present and future -----and that when a believer sins God's face is hid from them till they repent ----

the Natural man in scripture is an unbeliever -----they are away from God ------Sinners --unrepented

A believer is not a Natural Man -----

A Believer is a Carnal Man --a babe in Christ ----repented -----has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ---still sin but God does not see their sin any more -----so if God does not see their sins why would the Carnal man have to repent of their sins ----

and they are to advance to a ----Spiritual Man ----who relies on the Holy Spirit to guide them

You need to understand that Scripture says there are 3 types of man ----Natural ---Carnal and Spiritual

I think your confused on your mans


I await your scripture to prove what you say here

When one of his adopted children commits a sin, God will, also turn his back on them, and chasten them until they repent.

God says this about a Carnal Christian ------

Hebrews 10:16-17 ESV /

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

Hebrews 8:12 ESV
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

Isaiah 43:25 ESV /
“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.


Psalm 103:12 ESV /
As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.

Micah 7:19 ESV /
He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.

1 John 2:12 KJV

12 I write unto you, little children, because zyour sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.


Now you give me the scripture that says Believers ---Carnal Christians have to again repent of their sins and God will not be available to them

I await your Scripture ------

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Can you furnish me a scripture that says the natural man receives the Holy Spirit?

you aren’t interested in scriptures

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God's born again children will not be judged at the last day, but are judged by God's chastenings as they dwell here on earth, and they are not worthy of an award. Their gift of eternal life was accomplished on the cross for all of those that God gave to Jesus, which was not all mankind.

Yes lol I understand the imagination doctrine you preach I’m not interested in rejecting what Jesus says will save me and accepting what a hypergrace book teaches

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Should start letting the word into your mind instead of fables

 

[ForestGreenCook]

A Believer is a Carnal Man --a babe in Christ ----repented -----has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ---still sin but God does not see their sin any more -----so if God does not see their sins why would the Carnal man have to repent of their sins ----

Their sins are forgiven, as far as eternal inheritance is concerned, and that cannot be taken away from them. Even though those that God gave to Jesus have been redeemed from their sins, and have the promise of eternal inheritance, they do , at times, commit sins, and when they do, God chastens them, because he loves them. God judges his adopted children as they sojourn here on earth, by his chastenings, and they are not judged at the last day, only the wicked who are not his children will be judged at the last day..

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You need to understand that Scripture says there are 3 types of man ----Natural ---Carnal and Spiritual

I think your confused on your mans

There is the natural man that is carnal, and will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, thinking them to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:14)

All beings that have been born again, are spiritual beings.

The spiritual babe in Christ is born with very little knowledge of spiritual things, and have to be fed on the milk of the word, until they have grown enough to be able to digest the meat of the word, witch is the doctrine of Jesus. (Isaiah 28:9-10)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you aren’t interested in scriptures

good cop out, when you cannot come up with a scripture do defend your belief.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

good cop out, when you cannot come up with a scripture do defend your belief.

it’s pretty silly to just keep going on things you’ve created and poses as some sort of question about my beliefs

My own belief is simple you’d have to read the four gospel accounts and accept them as truth not pick and choose what sounds pleasant then you would understand my belief and also would understand Paul’s letters then you wouldn’t reject this

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you aren’t interested in scripture just saying that doesn’t say what it says which makes it a waste for me personally so again , I’m going to move on to people interested in sharing Gods word and receiving it

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I await your scripture to prove what you say here

When one of his adopted children commits a sin, God will, also turn his back on them, and chasten them until they repent.

God says this about a Carnal Christian ------

The first scripture that came to mind is 2 Pet 3:9, sense I have had to explain it so many times.

Peter is speaking to them that have obtained like precious faith (2 Pet 1:1), warning them about repenting, when they commit a sin that it will separate them from their fellowship with God, until they repent. Peter even includes himself in this warning by using the word "usward". perish=death=separation.

God will not fellowship sin, even turning his back on his own Son on the cross during the three hours of darkness when Jesus bore the sins of those that God gave him.

In all of the scriptures instructing people to repent, they are directed to those that have been born again. The natural, carnal man will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:15).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

it’s pretty silly to just keep going on things you’ve created and poses as some sort of question about my beliefs

My own belief is simple you’d have to read the four gospel accounts and accept them as truth not pick and choose what sounds pleasant then you would understand my belief and also would understand Paul’s letters then you wouldn’t reject this

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you aren’t interested in scripture just saying that doesn’t say what it says which makes it a waste for me personally so again , I’m going to move on to people interested in sharing Gods word and receiving it

Many are the people who rejected this same doctrine of Christ in his day, saying "it is a hard saying, who can understand it".

 

[studentoftheword]

The first scripture that came to mind is 2 Pet 3:9, sense I have had to explain it so many times.

Well first off ---this scripture you have here is referring to The Last days --Jesus second coming ---it does not say anything about Born Again People being away From God Or their need to repent -----

Your taking one piece of scripture and trying to make it say what you want it to say ---instead of reading the context and understanding what the Scripture is really talking about -----this is very dangerous and your not the only one who does this --many do -----it is spreading False doctrine -----twisting scripture to suit your own agenda

Read verse 3 ------
3 It is important for you to understand what will happen in the last days. People will laugh at you. They will live following the evil they want to do.


2 Peter 3

Easy-to-Read Version



Jesus Will Come Again----read the Context -----

3 My friends, this is the second letter I have written to you. I wrote both letters to you to help your honest minds remember something. 2 I want you to remember the words that the holy prophets spoke in the past. And remember the command that our Lord and Savior gave us. He gave us that command through your apostles.

3 It is important for you to understand what will happen in the last days. People will laugh at you. They will live following the evil they want to do.

4 They will say, “Jesus promised to come again. Where is he? Our fathers have died, but the world continues the way it has been since it was made.”

5 But these people don’t want to remember what happened long ago. The skies were there, and God made the earth from water and with water. All this happened by God’s word.

6 Then the world was flooded and destroyed with water.

7 And that same word of God is keeping the skies and the earth that we have now. They are being kept to be destroyed by fire. They are kept for the day of judgment and the destruction of all people who are against God.

8 But don’t forget this one thing, dear friends: To the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day.

9 The Lord is not being slow in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be lost. He wants everyone to change their ways and stop sinning.

10 But the day when the Lord comes again will surprise everyone like the coming of a thief. The sky will disappear with a loud noise. Everything in the sky will be destroyed with fire. And the earth and everything in it will be burned up.[a]

11 Everything will be destroyed in this way. So what kind of people should you be? Your lives should be holy and devoted to God. 12 You should be looking forward to the day of God, wanting more than anything else for it to come soon. When it comes, the sky will be destroyed with fire, and everything in the sky will melt with heat. 13 But God made a promise to us. And we are waiting for what he promised—a new sky and a new earth. That will be the place where goodness lives.

I say
You really need to start asking the Holy spirit to direct you in your understanding of Scripture so you get the truth ------by you preaching False Doctrine ---you could be sending people to their wrong destination in their end and we all need to take HEED that we don't do that ------that how I see that ---

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You really need to start asking the Holy spirit to direct you in your understanding of Scripture so you get the truth ------by you preaching False Doctrine ---you could be sending people to their wrong destination in their end and we all need to take HEED that we don't do that ------that how I see that ---

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Well first off ---this scripture you have here is referring to The Last days --Jesus second coming ---it does not say anything about Born Again People being away From God Or their need to repent -----

Your taking one piece of scripture and trying to make it say what you want it to say ---instead of reading the context and understanding what the Scripture is really talking about -----this is very dangerous and your not the only one who does this --many do -----it is spreading False doctrine -----twisting scripture to suit your own agenda

Read verse 3 ------
3 It is important for you to understand what will happen in the last days. People will laugh at you. They will live following the evil they want to do.


2 Peter 3

Easy-to-Read Version



Jesus Will Come Again----read the Context -----

3 My friends, this is the second letter I have written to you. I wrote both letters to you to help your honest minds remember something. 2 I want you to remember the words that the holy prophets spoke in the past. And remember the command that our Lord and Savior gave us. He gave us that command through your apostles.

3 It is important for you to understand what will happen in the last days. People will laugh at you. They will live following the evil they want to do.

4 They will say, “Jesus promised to come again. Where is he? Our fathers have died, but the world continues the way it has been since it was made.”

5 But these people don’t want to remember what happened long ago. The skies were there, and God made the earth from water and with water. All this happened by God’s word.

6 Then the world was flooded and destroyed with water.

7 And that same word of God is keeping the skies and the earth that we have now. They are being kept to be destroyed by fire. They are kept for the day of judgment and the destruction of all people who are against God.

8 But don’t forget this one thing, dear friends: To the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day.

9 The Lord is not being slow in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be lost. He wants everyone to change their ways and stop sinning.

10 But the day when the Lord comes again will surprise everyone like the coming of a thief. The sky will disappear with a loud noise. Everything in the sky will be destroyed with fire. And the earth and everything in it will be burned up.[a]

11 Everything will be destroyed in this way. So what kind of people should you be? Your lives should be holy and devoted to God. 12 You should be looking forward to the day of God, wanting more than anything else for it to come soon. When it comes, the sky will be destroyed with fire, and everything in the sky will melt with heat. 13 But God made a promise to us. And we are waiting for what he promised—a new sky and a new earth. That will be the place where goodness lives.

I say
You really need to start asking the Holy spirit to direct you in your understanding of Scripture so you get the truth ------by you preaching False Doctrine ---you could be sending people to their wrong destination in their end and we all need to take HEED that we don't do that ------that how I see that ---

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I hope that you do realise, that I am thinking the same thing about you, that you are thinking about me, in the fact that you are interpreting the scriptures falsely. The scriptures do not contradict each other, and we should not exclude any of them.