Skycentrism: We live inside the Earth! Geodesy.
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K
I'm gettting tired of saying it. The ground that the skyscraper is on is already 32 km above sea level. You go uphill as you drive from the coast to Perth itself. We tend not to notice this.
I have to guess, but the closer boat has its roof appearing to be higher than the farther boat. If the boats are actually the same size, there is a drop of about 4 inches in what looks likde 50 feet between the boats. If this is true, it is a 0.6% drop. If the camera is 8km from the boats, this translates to an altitude change from the boats to the camera of 50 m, confirming the concept. There is an angle drop of the ground in Perth to the ground at the shore of 32m, by the official measuremets of the Australian government. Get me the height of the rocks partway out, and how far out they are, and that will verify the height of the camera also.
I have to guess, but the closer boat has its roof appearing to be higher than the farther boat. If the boats are actually the same size, there is a drop of about 4 inches in what looks likde 50 feet between the boats. If this is true, it is a 0.6% drop. If the camera is 8km from the boats, this translates to an altitude change from the boats to the camera of 50 m, confirming the concept. There is an angle drop of the ground in Perth to the ground at the shore of 32m, by the official measuremets of the Australian government. Get me the height of the rocks partway out, and how far out they are, and that will verify the height of the camera also.
K
...oh well..zoom. Sure ! not. What about the two other pictures sir ? 
No, the camera is not 8km from the boats.
No, the camera is not 8km from the boats.
You're complicating while it's simple. Check the other two pictures. Does it really look like they were made from 30+ metres above sea level ?
You see what you see, and as you calculate now, you will not see the shore of Perth like this. There are much more examples like this, including really long distance observations.
There is one especially interesting from the Polish site.
You see what you see, and as you calculate now, you will not see the shore of Perth like this. There are much more examples like this, including really long distance observations.
There is one especially interesting from the Polish site.
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How is this even a topic?
What Holds the Earth Up?
Three thousand years ago the Hindu scriptures recorded the earth was resting on the backs of several huge elephants. The elephants were resting on the back of a very large turtle that was swimming in a sea. Greek mythology claims that the god Atlas was holding the earth on his shoulders. But our Bible says in Job 26:7 — "[God] hangeth the earth on nothing." What a remarkable statement of fact. The earth is suspended in space. Nothing is holding it up. Job wrote about the same time the Hindu Scripture was written. How did Job know this scientific fact? Only God could have revealed this to Job. The Old Testament prophets wrote as they were moved by the holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21). The Judeo-Christian Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Flat Versus Round Earth
For thousands of years people believed the earth was flat. If one went too far, he would fall over the edge. This was taught in both Hindu and Buddhist scripture. In the 1500s, the first ship sailed around the world. This proved the earth was round. But the round earth was recorded in the Judeo-Christian Bible long before man discovered it in the 1500s.
The prophet Isaiah (40:22) spoke of the "circle of the earth." Solomon wrote, "He [God] set a compass [circle] upon the face of the deep." Proverbs 8:27. In our century, Arabs spoke of infidels being pushed over the edge into space. About 3,000 years ago, our Bible said the earth was round. This was not discovered until 500 years ago. Indeed, the Judeo-Christian Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Sun, Moon and Stars — Who? What?
Ancient people were afraid of the sun, moon and stars. They thought they were alive — that they were gods. But over 5,000 years ago, the Judeo-Christian Bible in the first chapter of Genesis pointed out that the sun, moon and stars were created by God. Remember, our God states that He is the one and only God. This proves the sun, moon and stars that He created are not gods.
Eclipses are an example of what people feared. An eclipse happens when the sun’s light is blocked by the earth or moon. The moon is bright because it reflects the sun’s light. But when the earth blocks that light, the moon looks like it is disappearing. Also, when the moon comes between the earth and the sun, it looks like the sun is disappearing.
This was frightening to people long ago. Some thought eclipses happened when the moon was mad at the earth and turned its face away. The Chinese believed that an eclipse was caused by a demon or some huge animal that ate the sun and then would give them up again. God told Jeremiah (10:2 KJ): "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." God went on to reassure Jeremiah that the universe is under God’s control.
Later scientists learned that heavenly bodies were not alive and that man need not fear them. Thousands of years before scientists discovered that the planetary bodies were inanimate, the Judeo-Christian Bible contained this scientific fact.
The Bottom of the Ocean
Until modern times people thought the ocean floor was sandy like the desert and saucer shaped—deepest in the middle. This was even true of the pre-1900 geologists. But in the 1900s oceanographers found the sea had many deep valleys or canyons. The deepest canyons were called trenches. The Marianas Trench in the Pacific is so deep that if Mt. Everest (29,000 feet high) was dropped into it, the peak would still be a mile below the water’s surface. There are also underwater mountains. The Atlantic Ocean contains an undersea range of mountains 10,000 miles long.
In addition, 3,000 years ago the Judeo-Christian Bible spoke of the valleys and mountains of the sea. In Psalm 18:15 (NIV) David wrote of God being the creator of "the valleys of the sea." God asked Job (38:16 NIV): "Have you walked in the recesses [valleys] of the sea?" The prophet Jonah was thrown off a ship and spoke of falling to the bottom of the mountains in the sea (Jonah 2:6).
The Judeo-Christian Bible spoke of the valleys and mountains of the sea thousands of years before scientists discovered them. Indeed our Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Scientific facts that prove the Bible Text
What Holds the Earth Up?
Three thousand years ago the Hindu scriptures recorded the earth was resting on the backs of several huge elephants. The elephants were resting on the back of a very large turtle that was swimming in a sea. Greek mythology claims that the god Atlas was holding the earth on his shoulders. But our Bible says in Job 26:7 — "[God] hangeth the earth on nothing." What a remarkable statement of fact. The earth is suspended in space. Nothing is holding it up. Job wrote about the same time the Hindu Scripture was written. How did Job know this scientific fact? Only God could have revealed this to Job. The Old Testament prophets wrote as they were moved by the holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21). The Judeo-Christian Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Flat Versus Round Earth
For thousands of years people believed the earth was flat. If one went too far, he would fall over the edge. This was taught in both Hindu and Buddhist scripture. In the 1500s, the first ship sailed around the world. This proved the earth was round. But the round earth was recorded in the Judeo-Christian Bible long before man discovered it in the 1500s.
The prophet Isaiah (40:22) spoke of the "circle of the earth." Solomon wrote, "He [God] set a compass [circle] upon the face of the deep." Proverbs 8:27. In our century, Arabs spoke of infidels being pushed over the edge into space. About 3,000 years ago, our Bible said the earth was round. This was not discovered until 500 years ago. Indeed, the Judeo-Christian Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Sun, Moon and Stars — Who? What?
Ancient people were afraid of the sun, moon and stars. They thought they were alive — that they were gods. But over 5,000 years ago, the Judeo-Christian Bible in the first chapter of Genesis pointed out that the sun, moon and stars were created by God. Remember, our God states that He is the one and only God. This proves the sun, moon and stars that He created are not gods.
Eclipses are an example of what people feared. An eclipse happens when the sun’s light is blocked by the earth or moon. The moon is bright because it reflects the sun’s light. But when the earth blocks that light, the moon looks like it is disappearing. Also, when the moon comes between the earth and the sun, it looks like the sun is disappearing.
This was frightening to people long ago. Some thought eclipses happened when the moon was mad at the earth and turned its face away. The Chinese believed that an eclipse was caused by a demon or some huge animal that ate the sun and then would give them up again. God told Jeremiah (10:2 KJ): "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." God went on to reassure Jeremiah that the universe is under God’s control.
Later scientists learned that heavenly bodies were not alive and that man need not fear them. Thousands of years before scientists discovered that the planetary bodies were inanimate, the Judeo-Christian Bible contained this scientific fact.
The Bottom of the Ocean
Until modern times people thought the ocean floor was sandy like the desert and saucer shaped—deepest in the middle. This was even true of the pre-1900 geologists. But in the 1900s oceanographers found the sea had many deep valleys or canyons. The deepest canyons were called trenches. The Marianas Trench in the Pacific is so deep that if Mt. Everest (29,000 feet high) was dropped into it, the peak would still be a mile below the water’s surface. There are also underwater mountains. The Atlantic Ocean contains an undersea range of mountains 10,000 miles long.
In addition, 3,000 years ago the Judeo-Christian Bible spoke of the valleys and mountains of the sea. In Psalm 18:15 (NIV) David wrote of God being the creator of "the valleys of the sea." God asked Job (38:16 NIV): "Have you walked in the recesses [valleys] of the sea?" The prophet Jonah was thrown off a ship and spoke of falling to the bottom of the mountains in the sea (Jonah 2:6).
The Judeo-Christian Bible spoke of the valleys and mountains of the sea thousands of years before scientists discovered them. Indeed our Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Scientific facts that prove the Bible Text
Wait..you're making an assumption that the picture was taken let's say 8km from the boats and claim it's proof you can see Perth on a convex Earth ?
In the previous tread you didn't sound like 'nor can I be sure' but you put your heights, calculated and voila ! You can see bright and clear, no problem for convex Earth.
This isn't tough maths sir :]
In the previous tread you didn't sound like 'nor can I be sure' but you put your heights, calculated and voila ! You can see bright and clear, no problem for convex Earth.
This isn't tough maths sir :]
K
Let's see if we can get it right: The camera is at the shore of the island looking toward Perth, and is 3-4 meters above sea level? In post#7, the topographical guide underneath the picture shows parts of Perth 20-40m. The picture in post #4 seems to show only the buildings abouve 2 stories. I cannot see any less. That adds about 5 meters. The vivsible part of Perth in the picture is thus at least 25-50 meters above sea level. The formulas are 3.57(2+5)=25 km for the lower parts of Perth, 3.57(2+7)=33km for the parts on the higher hills. That exactly agrees with what we see. (Light refraction can make it 3.86, not 3.57, adding an extra km or so). The picture at 28km shows the top of the first storety buildings, because the horizon blocks anything under that. If you care to spot a particular landmard on the outside of a particular skyscraper, and get me the height above sea level and the height of the mark on the building, we can prove the formula even more exactly.
If the earth were concave, not only the first storey of all buildings would be visible, but you could see all the land from the shore up to the front door of those buildings in the photograph also.
If the earth were concave, not only the first storey of all buildings would be visible, but you could see all the land from the shore up to the front door of those buildings in the photograph also.