smoking & drinking

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lil-rush

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Baptistrw said:
Food is clean. So that argument is flawed, try another. Proverbs 23 is not out of context. Solomon knew a thing or two about drunkeness and vanity, so he was simply warning about the dangers and foolishness of drinking booze. If the wisest man who ever lived says not to look at it when its fermented (verse 31), I think he should be listened to. Old Testament priests were prohibited from being drinking before entering the tabernacle, we are New Testament priests and we are the tabernacle. So how are we allowed?
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What? Wine is food. All it is is grapes and yeast. If food is clean, wine is clean. You are changing the meaning of the scripture, so even if it is in context, your interpretation of it is warped.

And right there you just did take scripture out of context. The whole scripture is "Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaints? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eye? Those who linger long at the wine, those who go in search of mixed wine. Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper. Your eyes will see strange things, and your heart will utter perverse things. Yes, you will be like one who lies down in the midst of the sea, or like one who lies at the top of the mast saying: They have struck me, but I was not hurt; they have beaten me, but I did not feel it. When shall I awake, that I may seek another drink?" (proverbs 23: 29-35) That whole passage is obviously speaking specifically of drunkenness and not of simply drinking a little wine here and there. One does not get red eyes from drinking in moderation. That is an affect of inebriation. One only sees strange things when drunk, does not feel pain when drunk, and only alcoholic wake up from inebriated states only to go search out another cup of alcohol.

Where in the Bible does it say we are priests? I don't believe in replacement-theology, sorry. There is one Jewish people, and we are not them, and even if we did replace the Jewish people, it is only priests and Nazarites who are forbidden from wine(as I said in my first post). If that is the case, one would have to be catholic in order to be a Priest, and from what I understand Catholic priests do drink wine during each communion. Also I don't know of any Christian that claims to be a Nazarite.
 
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lil-rush said:
Where in the Bible does it say we are priests? I don't believe in replacement-theology, sorry.
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That's not replacement theology, the Bible does say we are priests.
(Rev 5:9-10)
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And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.

You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

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And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

(The differences in translations between "us" and "them" seem to be due to the Greek word being able to be translated as either. It's definitely referring to those Christ purchased with His blood. But it may or may not also include those singing the song in heaven. The NIV translators weren't sure if it was meant to include them as well so they went with 'they' because the Greek clearly shows it at least refers to the redeemed. The translators probably couldn't decide if the singers were also redeemed saints or angelic beings, so they translated it the best way they knew how. There's also a difference in how they translated it as either Kings or a kingdom. Either would make sense in context. We are a kingdom, and I can see it calling us Kings and Priests since we co-rule with Christ. I don't know Biblical Greek so I'll have to check Strong's later and see what it says.)
 
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lil-rush

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Oh. Didn't know about that verse, but I've only read Revelations about twice so I'm not really familiar with it. My fault, I know.

Regardless if we are some form of priest or not, the law states priests cannot enter the tabernacle drunk. It does not state that priests are not allowed to drink.
 
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christiancanadian

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eagleheart said:
the word christian,means to be like Jesus

I cant imazine Jesus walking down the streets of jerusalem sipping on a bud,or smoking a camel

the nazarite made a vow to god not to cut his hair defile himself with strong drink,or anything else,you say I am not a nazarite,and did not make a vow to God.
Oh,but you did! the moment you repented of your sins and received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior,you made a vow to God,that you would live a holy life,according to His Word,and that you would follow in the footsteps of Jesus.
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That's bascially the point I was going to make. If a person thinks the mental image of Jesus with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth is alright, then there's probably something wrong there. Jesus is pure and Holy. Do you think that when you see someone puffing on a cigarette? Nope. I quit smoking, HOWEVER, I still have the odd one every once and a while so I'm certainly not judging any one here. It's a terrible habit. I didn't have a cigarette for weeks, and I've had a few over the last few days and I think they've burned my lungs. I also cough again. I do think smoking should be treated like alcoholics though. I think once your a smoker your always a smoker even if you quit. that's my two pennies.
 
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WhereToGo

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christiancanadian said:
I do think smoking should be treated like alcoholics though. I think once your a smoker your always a smoker even if you quit. that's my two pennies.
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I don't agree with that view. He who the Son sets free is free indeed. Once God delivers someone of an addiction, they are no longer an addict. I know many people have that position, as well as AA, NA and the like, but it's not Scriptural to me.
 
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lil-rush

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I agree WhereToGo. Both my parents used to smoke, and neither has touched a cigarette in over 14 years.
 
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Slepsog4

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The defilement of the temple mentioned in 1 Cor. 3:16f is about division in the church.

Subjectivism reigns supreme in the discussion about what people can or cannot do to/with their bodies.

Whose list are we going to use. Some would argue that you cannot drink beverages with caffeine (coffee, tea, colas, etc.).

We are to be good stewards of all that God has given to us including our bodies. We are to use our members as instruments of righteousness.

Truly drunkenness and fornication are explicitly forbidden. In principle the scripture teaches us not be stumbling blocks to others. It also teaches us not to allow things to control or enslave us.

Making lists for others is similar to what the rabbis did with making hedge laws. It creates more problems than it cures.
 
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