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p_rehbein

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I have no desire to fight/argue/or any such........and IF talking about the Church and such is "silly games.......well.

I AM MAKING THE POINT that EVERY person can be criticized for what they believe, or how they interpret Scripture, AND that is why I say that we have to look inwards BEFORE we begin to condemn others.

Is that not EXACTLY what Jesus taught? Was He playing silly games?

It is easy to point out the faults of others, but not nearly so much fun to point out our own.

The POINT is simply, before one criticizes/condemns others, MAKE SURE that he/she has worked out any flaws he/she might have.........pretty simple point, but HARDLY EVER followed.


BTW..........I NEVER yelled heresy............I SAID THERE ARE SOME that would.

I don't care how you relate to God/Jesus Christ........what I do care about is how people condemn others without first looking inward.
You are making a mistake to think this is MY personal beliefs about fellowship........I am speaking in the "general" tense of the whole of the Church.
 
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p_rehbein

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Isn't it odd when the eyes are turned "inward" that folks get really, really defensive and such? :)

Not to worry. It is a natural human instinct.
 

Adstar

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Well, I hate to inform you......BUT......there are MORE THAN A FEW CHRISTIANS who will say HERESY to that! Denying the fellowship of the Church is AGAINST what the Apostle Paul taught. So, right off, you got at least ONE thing to work out before you begin to point fingers as others........right?

And, with a Baptist upbringing........IF you hold to some of what they teach...........well........you got a whole lot more to work out!
So now you start to act like a hypocrite and start calling Wild a heretic for not belonging to a denomination... You know who the people are who really hate their neighbour?? They are the ones who step in the way of others who are attempting to shine a light into the darkness in the hope of leading some of the lost into the light.. People like you who block the light and call those trying to bring the light as hate mongers..

You are the enemy of the Light.. You are what you declare you hate.
 

Nehemiah6

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I did not say I agree with the teachings of various Church groups, I said that BEFORE one condemns THEM, one should LOOK INSIDE!
Those "church groups" who promote false doctrine and heresy stand self-condemned. There is nothing in Scripture that prevents Christians from assessing ALL teaching and preaching to determine whether it is in according with Scripture. Indeed we are commanded to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thess 5:21).

As to looking inside, if by that you mean that we need to be sure that our beliefs are firmly grounded in Scripture, that is fair enough. If it means examining ourselves to see if we are absolutely perfect, then no Christian could expose false apostles, false prophets, and false teachers.

I agree that there should not be an excessive focus on false Christianity or cults. But it someone has questions about their teachings, it is after all an open forum and people are free to post whatever is on their mind. It is only when threads degenerate into personal attacks or nonsensical babblings then there is no profit in getting involved
 
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SDA's, Mormons, Catholics and such............I really gotta wonder if anyone here owns a mirror?

If folks are gonna point fingers and such........mayhaps they should point them at the guy looking back at them through the mirror? If someone don't like or agree with another persons Church/whatever, that's fine, but don't be too quick to condemn them.......check out that LOG in your own eye first.

(a really smart man once said that)
I AM MAKING THE POINT that EVERY person can be criticized for what they believe, or how they interpret Scripture, AND that is why I say that we have to look inwards BEFORE we begin to condemn others.
When a church separates herself from other believers by extra-Biblical teachings and thereby condemn others for not having their teachings and thus not belonging to their church, isn't that just asking to be judged back as Jesus warned?

When the church like a lobster in a slowly boiling pot becomes Catholic from which Protestant sprung, that was from a church of believers looking within in dealing with the judgments that the Catholics were doling out to keep their followers in bondage to the works of catholicism within for their own salvation.

Besides, in this forum, a believer is hardly addressing a whole church, but a believer of that church to reconsider the teachings of the church by going to His words and leaning on Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd in dividing His words rightly since only He can confirm to a believer in error of the truth in His words in the KJV for Him to set them free.

That is the only way to have fellowship with the Son by abiding in Him & His words in truth.

1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

The one matter that most churches overlook, regardless of the denomenation, if there are any church members involved in Freemasonry which every time they take their initiation oath for joining or getting a degree, is to deny they were in the light and are now just entering into the light... each time they go up a degree.

They even have a warning of violence and death if a Mason break an oath within the oath and yet they say they do not really mean that... that the oath making doesn't really count, even though they may be swearing it on the Bible.

Imagine a fellowship of men teaching men to break their oaths sworn on the Bible even by joining.

So it is bad enough that heresy is in the churches in different ways and at different degrees, but not all church members are abiding in the teachings of the church if they are involved in Freemasonry which teaches them to lie & break oaths for fun.

A slippery slope for sinning in other ways if there ever is one, but yet, this is done in secret.

Taking care of the body of Christ out of love for others to go to Him for help to be found abiding in Him is not wrong to do.

2 Timothy 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP]15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures , which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP] 17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:[SUP]14 [/SUP]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;[SUP]15 [/SUP]But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

John 21:[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.[SUP]17 [/SUP]He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Matthew 18:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15[/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
 

p_rehbein

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Enow: Any way you could condense the point you were making? It it is a criticism of the Free Masons, I do not completely disagree. However, I also am not an expert on the Free Masons. It is just that what I have read about them is not really in keeping with the Gospel of Christ in my opinion only I suppose.