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Thats all good in its place. But the NT assembly is suppose to be a tad bit more than just sharing brownies. In the chapters submitted you'll not find brownies and icecream, nor a chicken dinner, nor a bread sale to raise funds for the exalted one who needs to get a real job, Acts 20, (sorry, Paul....they're just not getting it yet, thus my handle...they're not teady Yet).
So 'church' business continues unabated by the likes of folks like me who point to the word of God as our guide. The 'services', so called, are cold as the ice cream, dry as the bread, and dead as the chicken.
But them brownies sure are tasty!
So 'church' business continues unabated by the likes of folks like me who point to the word of God as our guide. The 'services', so called, are cold as the ice cream, dry as the bread, and dead as the chicken.
But them brownies sure are tasty!
Sigh. I got living water, bread and meat from the man of God sent to minister to our congregation. I got the fellowship of the Lord and His saints in the local assembly. I got to share the burdens of other believers just like me that have needs. I got to rejoice in the Lord as He ministered to me and others all around me.
What did I contribute? Just an empty vessel wanting to be filled for His use.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What did I contribute? Just an empty vessel wanting to be filled for His use.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The greek for the 5 fold ministry is in the singular. We can agree on that. But is it talking about a single pastor? It would be if it was also talking about a single prophet, a single teacher, a single apostle, a single evangelist. But we can both agree again that that would be ludicrous.
So i submit that it is speaking of the spiritual function of these gifts given unto a multiplicity of individauals, and does not point out the sigularity of a shepherd.
If you look at 1Peter 5 and Acts 20' all the elders in any given assembly were designated as pastors, as Paul enjoined them all to FEED SHEEP. Sheep feeders have always, since the dawn of time, been recognized and calld shepherds/pastors.
So this, clearly and unequivocally, lays to rest the scripturally unfounded belief in the one, at the top, exalted salaried, golfing, single pastor. A bit of humor there.
The senoir, executive pay check pastor? He does not exist. Not in the first couple of centuries anyhow. A pluralty of elders/pastors was the norm and set order.
And you are missing my point about 'what have you contributed?' And it's this. The 'church' is totally out of God's divine order given to us in the NT.
And NO, it is not going to change for the word is clear about the worsening apostasy up to His return. Most of you failing to see, and worse, unwilling to see the clear scriptures on this is proof positive that it will NOT change. I teach the word on this for those few that have eyes to see and ears to hear, that have a teachable spirit, that hold to the spirit of the Bereans to 'search the scriptures to see if these things be so'.
When i posit the very word of God and it, along with me, are soundly rejected, i am not disuaded from continuing to sound the alarm and expose the falsehood. So you're stuck with me. I'm still smiling. R U?
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I've also wondered how so many people can think they truly believe the Bible and yet don't realize the Holy Spirit is our daily Teacher. What good to quote the Word of God when we won't listen to the Spirit's wisdom on it?
The flesh (carnal mind, intellect) doesn't receive anything from God. Only the Holy Spirit can give understanding.
Seriously, it boggles my mind how so many folks use intellectualism to expound on the Word of the Lord.
The flesh (carnal mind, intellect) doesn't receive anything from God. Only the Holy Spirit can give understanding.
Seriously, it boggles my mind how so many folks use intellectualism to expound on the Word of the Lord.
I understood what you were after. But the title of the thread focuses on self and what "I" did.
Yes. And Scripture makes it clear this is going to be the case in these latter days. So why are we surprised about this, when our Lord Jesus Christ told us this is what would happen? You have not shared anything we do not already know. Does that keep us from functioning as God instructs us in 1 Cor. 12, Eph 4, and Rom 12? Nope.
Yes. And Scripture makes it clear this is going to be the case in these latter days. So why are we surprised about this, when our Lord Jesus Christ told us this is what would happen? You have not shared anything we do not already know. Does that keep us from functioning as God instructs us in 1 Cor. 12, Eph 4, and Rom 12? Nope.
Well if you are holding to word on this, then great, you are not my audience. Its the ones that are not willing to see the contrast of the modern church up against sound teaching on the subject.
But i hesitste a bit. You were asking me 'how?' do we implement God's instructions for a biblical gathering. Sounded like you weren't sure about it all.
And the thread is not focused on self but neither should the assembly focus on one man behind a grecian pulpit and his ministry only. Others have something to day also.
But i hesitste a bit. You were asking me 'how?' do we implement God's instructions for a biblical gathering. Sounded like you weren't sure about it all.
And the thread is not focused on self but neither should the assembly focus on one man behind a grecian pulpit and his ministry only. Others have something to day also.
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Very kind of you, Thanks.
We have a teen ministry called Solomon's porch that meets every Sunday evening at the Church for singing, service, small group, and play.
During the summer, the teens go to various parents houses on Sunday's that usually have a pool.
Paul, the brother who passed, and his wife Carla, just had the 25 or so teens and associated adult leaders to their house this past Sunday, even though he couldn't get out of bed, AND THEIR kids haven't been in High School for years.
I can't imagine this family having to go through this terrible time without the love and support of their Church family. If someone is in a Church that doesn't love and care for their members and community at large then they need to find another, but to discard this type of fellowship is dangerous and absurd.
We have a teen ministry called Solomon's porch that meets every Sunday evening at the Church for singing, service, small group, and play.
During the summer, the teens go to various parents houses on Sunday's that usually have a pool.
Paul, the brother who passed, and his wife Carla, just had the 25 or so teens and associated adult leaders to their house this past Sunday, even though he couldn't get out of bed, AND THEIR kids haven't been in High School for years.
I can't imagine this family having to go through this terrible time without the love and support of their Church family. If someone is in a Church that doesn't love and care for their members and community at large then they need to find another, but to discard this type of fellowship is dangerous and absurd.
How do you know there was only one guy ministering? Have you been to all assemblies where Christians meet?
I actually agree with you that there should be a plurality of elders/pastors in every assembly. I also think someone has to be the spokesman for the group too with the ability of each one to voice his opinions when it's time to.
There is a time to listen to anointed 5 fold ministry gifts when we assemble. We can minister to each other whenever we are together too with the gift that the Lord has given us. It is not either or - it's both and as the Spirit wills. We can minister to each other when we visit in our homes together as well as in a large assembly. I have been to churches that do this regularly and it is common place.
I actually agree with you that there should be a plurality of elders/pastors in every assembly. I also think someone has to be the spokesman for the group too with the ability of each one to voice his opinions when it's time to.
There is a time to listen to anointed 5 fold ministry gifts when we assemble. We can minister to each other whenever we are together too with the gift that the Lord has given us. It is not either or - it's both and as the Spirit wills. We can minister to each other when we visit in our homes together as well as in a large assembly. I have been to churches that do this regularly and it is common place.
