some say it's the end of the world,,,

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some say it's the end of the world,,,some say we have proof that it is. there are the earthquakes,the tsunami's,,tornado outbreaks. There are war's and they point to them. there are flood's. the whole earth is is in disarray,protesting,outrage and hopelessness. day by day it becomes worse and worse. most every preacher points to these and others to show that these plagues are being poured out on the earth as the Revelations states,,and that they prove that at any time the end may come,maybe tomorrow.

here is my question,,,,Revelations 7;3,,,,,,"till we have sealed the servants of our god in their fore-heads",,,,,that is "the plagues",,,cannot commence until they are sealed. And they are not finished being sealed until after the tribulation when the last is beheaded for their confession of Christ.

now the plaugues are poured out on those who have received the mark of the beast,and/or worshiped his image. that is from Revelations 7;3 onward in every case these plagues,warnings(what ever we decide to call them),,,are only delivered upon those who were not sealed with the name of god in their forehead's,,,but instead on those who did not repent,and were sealed with the mark of the beast.

now some say the end may come tomorrow,,,and these plagues are being poured out on those who have the mark of the beast today,,,,,,,,,

here is the puzzle,,,if they already have the mark of god and the mark of the beast,,,,then the man of sin is already in power,,,"who is he?",,,,and if they already have the mark of the beast,,,"what is it?",,,,,and if these are already sealed with the name of god,,,"where are they?",,,,,rev.7;3,,,,,
 
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Your getting your disasters mixed up lol... the plauges in revelation are not happing yet... what people are talkin about earthquakes an things being the signs of end times is takled about in diffrent parts of the bible an dosent have to do with the plauges in revelation.... :)
 
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allaboutlove said:
Your getting your disasters mixed up lol... the plauges in revelation are not happing yet... what people are talkin about earthquakes an things being the signs of end times is takled about in diffrent parts of the bible an dosent have to do with the plauges in revelation.... :)
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which is the very point,,,,they do not align one with the other,,,,,,,but proof is better than our assumptions,,who can detail the both?
 
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Well as i see it first we get the signs of the end time nearing earthquakes world getting worse family fighting family ect.... then whenever its time the man of lawlessness will be reveal we will enter into the seven year tribulation during which those plauges will accur then christ will return an set up his kingdom on eareh..
 
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here is the puzzle,,,if they already have the mark of god and the mark of the beast,,,,then the man of sin is already in power,,,"who is he?"
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He is "self"

"The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision."
 
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and when he comes we should assume he will let us calculate a pin number that is equal to our name and his since he give's us athority to use it to buy sell and purchase food to eat?,,,,well i don't want to get to far off mine own post topic,,but if we had some type of pin number memorized in our fore-head already,,,,,well it might make sense that we (being already sealed),,,,these might be the plagues spoken of,,,,you know,,,,take the number in our fore-head scan the card and enter it in the keypad with our right hand,,,,well but thats just us assuming,,,,,i'll see as i wait for others to post their thought's and supply scriptures,,,,,,
 
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In an out there way i could see where one could come to said conclusion but the bible says you want be able to buy or sell at all without the mark... i dont use any pin numbers i use cash only.
 
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you don't file your income tax?,,,card required?,,,,,
 
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hmmmmmmmm,and we proved all that without scriptures,,,,let's see what the others say,,,,lol,,,
 
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the just of what i am saying is "there can no plagues be sent on you,nor can the end come....if you do not already have the mark of the beast',,,,,,,,
 
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here is my question,,,,Revelations 7;3,,,,,,"till we have sealed the servants of our god in their fore-heads",,,,,


that is "the plagues",,,cannot commence until they are sealed. And they are not finished being sealed until after the tribulation when the last is beheaded for their confession of Christ.



now some say the end may come tomorrow,,,and these plagues are being poured out on those who have the mark of the beast today,,,,,,,,,

here is the puzzle,,,if they already have the mark of god and the mark of the beast,,,,then the man of sin is already in power,,,"who is he?",,,,and if they already have the mark of the beast,,,"what is it?",,,,,and if these are already sealed with the name of god,,,"where are they?",,,,,rev.7;3,,,,,
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The man of sin, is Satan, ( Rev. 12: 9 ; 2 Thess. 2: ). Those with the seal are the same ones that overcame the man of sin , ( Revelation 7:14 ) ( they do that by being here to stand. Contrary to popular belief , there is no rapture. They knew the truth, because they had that Seal, IN their forehead, and they did what is recorded there, and in Mark 13, Matthew 24 and Luke 21 , Luke 21 etc. The mark, of the beast, is also IN the forehead of those that are deceived , and did not wait for the true Messiah . written in the verses already posted.

The only ones killed are the two witnesses. The rest are in blissful ignorance. Until Christ returns and they wish for mountians to fall on them,.
 
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lets say all these things you've posted have all been fulfilled as of july18,2013,,,tell me what is the mark of the beast ?,,,tell me who is the man of sin reveled?,,,,we can see it any way we like but if the lord returns tomorrow then,,,,,,some of the people have already been sealed with the name of god. and the rest were deceived and received the mark of the beast without understanding it.
 
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ponder it for a while,,,,,,there are only two options,,,on will say "ahhh! thats right unless the man of sin comes to power,and builds the temple in Jerusalem. and then the false prophet sets forth the image and requires us to worship it,and the ones of god are sealed the end cannot come,,and sit back in the chair and relax,,,,

yet the other option is that the man of sin is with us now,and in power,,,and the mark the majority of the earth does not understand,,being deceived they do not look at how the buy,,,,it would seem the question should not wait until tomorrow,,,,i am old and i must rest,,,ponder it i will return tomorrow,i am in the midst of loving you,,,,,
 
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The first option is true but you forget about the rapture which is why people cant just sit back an relax because no one knows when that will happen not even christ.
 
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If there are legitimate questions, about What is Written, then those verses and places should be documented with the thought. Otherwise, its all just opinions ., Which may or may not even be written.. If scripture is posted it can be studied and looked at loser .
 
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nathan3 said:
If there are legitimate questions, about What is Written, then those verses and places should be documented with the thought. Otherwise, its all just opinions ., Which may or may not even be written.. If scripture is posted it can be studied and looked at loser .
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We are Christians here, we all read the bible and have one. To post verse after verse is not wise. If someone posts something that is not scriptural, Christians know it. This is not a place to post the entire bible. If they aren't Christian and have no knowledge, they can use the site to show them where to go in THEIR bible. This isn't a bible. There is a website called biblegateway for the bible.
 
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The Bible clearly states it is a world without end. The next "big" thing we're waiting for is the rapture of the church. I do nit believe we are experiencing most of Revelation. God's people will spared from most of the revelation stuff. These are"birthing" pains that you hav described. The Revelation stuff will be massive and worldwide
 
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nathan3 said:
If there are legitimate questions, about What is Written, then those verses and places should be documented with the thought. Otherwise, its all just opinions ., Which may or may not even be written.. If scripture is posted it can be studied and looked at loser .
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"if there are legitimate questions",,,i do agree with this. i did not any other post other than in the op "Revelations 7;3" which i stated 3 times,and in post 6 pointed out that i did not want to stray too far from my original post. (i thank you for posting) matt.24,,mark 13, luke 21,,,,,,they are my premiss of thinking when i point out Revelations 7;3....

as to to the timing of these events Christ himself lays them out himself in matt,24;6 "but the end is not yet",,,,then in matt. 24;8-9,,"beginning of sorrows,,then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted",,,then in matt. 24;29 "immediately after the tribulation of those days",,,,

in mark 13 it states...mark 13;4 "tell us when and what signs",,so us a time-line. in mark 13;10 he states "Gospel published among all nations",,,so future tense(after the Gospel is preached),,,then in verse 13;14 of mark he points of the "abomination of desolation",(future again). then in mark 13;24 "after the tribulation",,,

in luke 21;12 "but before all these",,,then in luke 21;20 "when we see Jerusalem,,,compassed with armies ect.,,,the desolation is neigh"

so far in every account he has stated (1st) the tribulation,(2nd) wars and rumors of wars ect.(after the tribulation),,,then the "things coming on the earth",,luke 21;26

so then Revelations 7;14,,,"they which came out of great tribulation",,,,,so hence the events of rev.7;3 cannot take place until after the events of rev. 7;14 are fulfilled according to the events stated by Christ.

now as he also states matt.24;9 "my names sake",,mark 13;13 "for my names sake",,,,luke 21;12,,"for my names sake",,,,,now it is apparent that "for my names sake" is because of their testimony in the belief in Christ as the Messiah. so then not because they are Jewish by race(holocaust ww2),,,who being Jewish by faith do not believe in Jesus. but rather Christians who believe in Jesus and give testament are gathered up and taken before the kings and synagogs(the armies compassing Jerusalem are they protecting it or attacking it?),,,,,,
 
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