Someone wanna explain Luke 17:20

[Crimeny]

20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.

I just caught this while reading today and I thought somebody might have a clue of some kind

 

[Jullianna]

Reading Chapters 12 and 13 of Matthew might be helpful to you (far too much for me to copy/paste here). In Chapter 12 Jesus is telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom had come upon them because HE was in their midst. In Chapter 13 He is talking with His followers about what the Kingdom is like. He is describing the work in the heart/spirit of a man that cannot be seen with earthly eyes, but with spiritual eyes.

Jesus Christ is our King (He told Pilate that His Kingdom was not of this world). When we are born again, we are born into the Kingdom to serve our King.

I hope this is helpful.

 

[Laodicea]

Within can also be translated as among consider these verses:-
Luke 10:9
(9) And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Matthew 12:28
(28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
John 1:26
(26) John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

 

[tribesman]

Calvin's take on it:

20. And being interrogated by the Pharisees This question was undoubtedly put in mockery; for, since Christ was continually speaking of the kingdom of God as at hand, while no change was taking place in the outward condition of the Jews, wicked and malicious persons looked upon this as a plausible excuse for harassing him. As if all that Christ said about the kingdom of God were idle talk and mere trifling, they put a sarcastic question to him, “When shall that kingdom come?” If any one shall consider this question to have been put on account of the grossness of their own views, rather than for the sake of jeering, I have no objection.

The kingdom of God will not come with observation. My opinion is, that Christ now disregards those dogs, and accommodates this reply to the disciples; just as on many other occasions, when he was provoked by wicked men, and seized the opportunity of giving instruction. In this manner God disappoints their malice, while the truth, which is maintained in opposition to their sophistry, is the more fully displayed.

The word observation is here employed by Christ to denote extraordinary splendor; “La ou nous avons traduit, a veue d’oeil, le Grec a mot a mot avec observation; c’est a dire, avec quelque grande apparence, en sorte qu’un chacun y puisse prendre garde.” — “Where we have rendered, visibly, the Greek literally runs, with observation; that is to say, with some great display, so that every person may take notice of it.” and he declares, that the kingdom of God will not make its appearance at a distance, or attended by pompous display. He means, that they are greatly mistaken who seek with the eyes of the flesh the kingdom of God, which is in no respect carnal or earthly, for it is nothing else than the inward and spiritual renewal of the soul. From the nature of the kingdom itself he shows that they are altogether in the wrong, who look around here or there, in order to observe visible marks. “That restoration of the Church,” he tells us, “which God has promised, must be looked for within; for, by quickening his elect into a heavenly newness of life, he establishes his kingdom within them.” And thus he indirectly reproves the stupidity of the Pharisees, because they aimed at nothing but what was earthly and fading. It must be observed, however, that Christ speaks only of the beginnings of the kingdom of God; for we now begin to be formed anew by the Spirit after the image of God, in order that our entire renovation, and that of the whole world, may afterwards follow in due time.

 

[Avinu]

In this perticular verses, as the others have said, Yeshua(Jesus) is the Kingdom of Heaven. Shalom

 

[Forest]

20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.

I just caught this while reading today and I thought somebody might have a clue of some kind

The kingdom of God is within those that are his bride, the church. The church is called by many different names in the scriptures, The little flock, the new Jerusalem, the church of the firstborn, the few, the remnant,etc. When we are born again it usually comes unnoticed, John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell wence it cometh and where it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit. When we are converted it is a dramatic event that we will always remember, such as was the case of Paul on the road to Damaskas. Most people think their conversion was their rebirth, but not so, being born again always comes before conversion.

 

[shroom2]

The kingdom of God is within those that are his bride, the church. The church is called by many different names in the scriptures, The little flock, the new Jerusalem, the church of the firstborn, the few, the remnant,etc. When we are born again it usually comes unnoticed, John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell wence it cometh and where it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit. When we are converted it is a dramatic event that we will always remember, such as was the case of Paul on the road to Damaskas. Most people think their conversion was their rebirth, but not so, being born again always comes before conversion.

Paul was not born again before the incident on the road to Damascus. To be born again, a person must confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9). Paul did not believe Jesus was the messiah, he believed Christianity was a cult, and he persecuted Christianity, chasing Christians down and killing them. He became born again as soon as he learned who Jesus was, and believed on him as the Son of God, the savior.

 

[resurrection33]

20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.

I just caught this while reading today and I thought somebody might have a clue of some kind

Heaven is when you are happy and safe. It is repentance:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

 

[WeStand]

Though we are in the world, we are not of this world (in its current condition or under its current ruling)

The Kingdom of heaven is within ALL of US, that recognize the Heritage of where it is that the one thing that we ALL have in commen originated from in the first place, a thinking counciousness, (inner-person) that was MoreNaturely (supernaturely) born in the first place, through perfect Love (physical) & Wisdom (intelectual) in which Love brought up from Everlasting who together created this earth as a Home for their First Begotten Child of Conciousness; Melchezidek/ Yeshua Messiah/ Jesus The Christ, The annoited one of YAH.

This is only a part of the kingdom, as we are ALL only a part of each of them, resulting in children of commen-sense.

The world is prophesied to continually grow worse and worse until the second advent, and the worst of it is, is that very few people recognize this Hertage, and many lies are being solicted reguarding it, in the name of Christ.

Its really not that difficult, and its not supposed to be, its the lies that are propogated about it that causes all the confusion/babylon, chaos and wars amongst an endless list of unfair and evil acts.

The only masculine thing that i know of reguarding Love's ,Wisdom/Holy Spirit/Intelectual Comfortor is that She being Wisdom, has the ability to twist any simple child of commen-sense's mind into a pretzel, IF she cared to

The unforgivable sin in this world and in the world to come, is to deny The Holy Spirit, that part of HER that we ALL have now, and always did

The Fathers physical part of US, is the Body that Christ/Messiah demonstrated on The MT of Olives when he ascended into heaven.

Can you even begin to phatom how Powerful Our Father Love IS, if this represents one child? i beleive He said, in the human condition, its not completely possible.

Our Father does NOT create things to be chaotic.

He IS a grower & multiplier of ALL things Good, and that last Forever.

The 2nd verse in the Bible has NOT been corrected and IS very mis-leading.

It is NOT; the earth was void and without form.

IT IS: the earth became void and without form.

Anyways

Forever in Christ

 

[AnandaHya]

20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.

I just caught this while reading today and I thought somebody might have a clue of some kind

I always thought it referred to the Holy Spirit.

Luke 11:13
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

[Forest]

Paul was not born again before the incident on the road to Damascus. To be born again, a person must confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9). Paul did not believe Jesus was the messiah, he believed Christianity was a cult, and he persecuted Christianity, chasing Christians down and killing them. He became born again as soon as he learned who Jesus was, and believed on him as the Son of God, the savior.

When Christ died on the cross he secured eternal salvation for those that God gave him and even though some had not been born a natural birth by then. Christ died once as a sacrifice for all of the chosen of God from Adam to the last one of his elect will be born into this world. The work on the cross was not for man's acceptance but for God's acceptance. Even though Paul persecuted the church he was doing it in all clear conscience toward God. He studied the old law under the greatest of teachers. These actions do not identify with the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14. Paul was a disobedient child of God, nevertheless he was born again. Many of the elect do not understand their own depravity such as yourself. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand your own depravity.

 

[mpaper345]

When you receive the Holy Spirit,then the kingdom of God is within you,so the kingdom of God coming to earth is by the people receiving the Spirit,and representing the ways of God on earth like Jesus.

28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you(Matthew 12:28).

Jesus is signifying that when a person is led of the Spirit and doing the will of God,then the kingdom of God is there,for they are representing the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God comes without observation,because it is not a governmental establishment enforcing God's ways,but the kingdom of God is displayed by the saints as they are led of the Spirit showing God's ways on earth,and the Bible says the saints have no country as of yet,but are strangers passing through the land,seeking a better country.
Any nation,government,that claims Christianity as it's religion,and people who reject it in that nation,or have different beliefs,are punished by that nation,tortured,or imprisoned,is not doing the will of God,for while we have to come to God to be saved,for God commands it,a nation,government,cannot make you obey it,and certainly cannot punish you for not following God,in the truth,or the truth they believe,because Jesus said be harmless as doves,and if they do not listen to what you say,then wipe the dust off your feet and turn around and leave,and in no circumstance are we to hurt them.

1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power(Mark:9:1).

21Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me(John 21:21-22).



Some people think when the Bible says the kingdom of God will come that it is referring to 2000 years later,the millennial reign of Christ,but Jesus said there were some disciples standing there,that shall not die,until they see the kingdom of God come with power,and some say,how can this be,can they live for 2000 years when the kingdom of God comes,the millennial reign of Christ.


But when you receive the Spirit the kingdom of God is within you.


1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance(Acts 2:1-4).


On the day of Pentecost,the kingdom of God had come with power,as the Holy Spirit was then available to receive by people,and Peter preached that added people to the Church,and the miracles that accompanied the people that received the Spirit,as Jesus said miracles and wonders will follow those who are saints,which also testify that God is in them of a truth.

 

[Forest]

When you receive the Holy Spirit,then the kingdom of God is within you,so the kingdom of God coming to earth is by the people receiving the Spirit,and representing the ways of God on earth like Jesus.

28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you(Matthew 12:28).

Jesus is signifying that when a person is led of the Spirit and doing the will of God,then the kingdom of God is there,for they are representing the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God comes without observation,because it is not a governmental establishment enforcing God's ways,but the kingdom of God is displayed by the saints as they are led of the Spirit showing God's ways on earth,and the Bible says the saints have no country as of yet,but are strangers passing through the land,seeking a better country.
Any nation,government,that claims Christianity as it's religion,and people who reject it in that nation,or have different beliefs,are punished by that nation,tortured,or imprisoned,is not doing the will of God,for while we have to come to God to be saved,for God commands it,a nation,government,cannot make you obey it,and certainly cannot punish you for not following God,in the truth,or the truth they believe,because Jesus said be harmless as doves,and if they do not listen to what you say,then wipe the dust off your feet and turn around and leave,and in no circumstance are we to hurt them.

1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power(Mark:9:1).

21Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me(John 21:21-22).



Some people think when the Bible says the kingdom of God will come that it is referring to 2000 years later,the millennial reign of Christ,but Jesus said there were some disciples standing there,that shall not die,until they see the kingdom of God come with power,and some say,how can this be,can they live for 2000 years when the kingdom of God comes,the millennial reign of Christ.


But when you receive the Spirit the kingdom of God is within you.


1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance(Acts 2:1-4).


On the day of Pentecost,the kingdom of God had come with power,as the Holy Spirit was then available to receive by people,and Peter preached that added people to the Church,and the miracles that accompanied the people that received the Spirit,as Jesus said miracles and wonders will follow those who are saints,which also testify that God is in them of a truth.

I agree that we are in the thousand year reign and the last day is literally the last day.

 

[shroom2]

When Christ died on the cross he secured eternal salvation for those that God gave him and even though some had not been born a natural birth by then. Christ died once as a sacrifice for all of the chosen of God from Adam to the last one of his elect will be born into this world. The work on the cross was not for man's acceptance but for God's acceptance. Even though Paul persecuted the church he was doing it in all clear conscience toward God. He studied the old law under the greatest of teachers. These actions do not identify with the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14. Paul was a disobedient child of God, nevertheless he was born again. Many of the elect do not understand their own depravity such as yourself. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand your own depravity.

Prior to the incident on the road to Damascus, Paul did not believe in Jesus Christ. It is impossible for someone to become saved without believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore your doctrine is false.

 

[Forest]

Prior to the incident on the road to Damascus, Paul did not believe in Jesus Christ. It is impossible for someone to become saved without believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore your doctrine is false.

2 Ti 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

 

[shroom2]

2 Ti 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

Context, Forest.... You can't pluck a verse completely out of context and use it just because it seems to back up your doctrine.

God requires us to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to receive salvation.

 

[tribesman]

shroom2 & Forest, I disagree with both of you in two issues here. First off all requirements for man's salvation was fulfilled in Christ. Secondly, we are declared righteous at the moment we are regenerated and thus believe.

 

[Jullianna]

Hopefully we can all remember that the OP of this thread is a new believer who is trying to understand a verse. It is important for us to post our answers in a way that will be edifying to him and not complicate the matter for him.