Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

[iamsoandso]

Yes, the lamb was the only one worthy to open the seals. But it has nothing to do with the casting down of Satan and his third. Again, Rev. 12 is an overview of the whole history of mankind. Satan's being cast down is only relevant to how it affects us. By the time Satan appeared as a serpent in the Garden of Eden, he was already fallen.

Eze. 28:14-17 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

This shows Satan was in charge of God government (mountain). The earth became empty and void because of his mismanagement. God then re-created the earth and put man in charge (see Gen. 1:26). Satan now runs the world system by influencing man, without man's knowledge. He has but a short time left.

How did he attend the meeting in job 1&2 when he was already cast out?(assuming your correct)...cart before the horse?

 

[LPT]

If men, as you say....does that mean you believe in some sort of reincarnation?

What title they had before hand is meaningless to me for they lost that title, they forfeited that right.

If they were sons of God when they took Human women as some believe then you call them sons of God today as well.

 

[dcontroversal]

Playing the advocate here.....Regardless of who believes what here.....either Jude is inspired or not.....and Jude compares the angels that left their first estate to the men of Sodom going after strange flesh....and we know the following biblical facts....

A> there is heavenly, celestial form and a fallen earthly fleshly form
B> the men of Sodom wanted to SEXUALLY know the angels that came in the form of men
C> in HEAVEN we shall be as the angels (in their heavenly form) not marrying and or given in marriage
D> JESUS disrobed himself of glory and had to take FLESH to walk among men
E> There are anomalies found in scripture that we cannot fully grasp due to a lack of knowledge or spiritual maturity

Etc...

 

[Shamah]

Job 1:6-7, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”

if "ben ha Elohim" are human how were they already ther when the earth was created? Admah was not created until the 6th day...

Genesis 6:1-7, “And it came to be, when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And יהוה said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name. And יהוה saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And יהוה was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And יהוה said, “I am going to wipe off man whom I have created from the face of the ground, both man and beast, creeping creature and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Jude 1:6-7,, “And the messengers (angels) who did not keep their own principality, but left their own dwelling, He has kept in everlasting shackles under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Even as Seḏom and Amorah and the cities around them in a similar way to these, having given themselves over to whoring and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing judicial punishment of everlasting fire."

Jude 1:14-15, “Ḥanoḵ (Enoch), the seventh from Aḏam, also prophesied of these, saying, “See, יהוה comes with His myriads of set-apart ones, to execute judgment on all, to punish all who are wicked among them concerning all their wicked works which they have committed in a wicked way, and concerning all the harsh words which wicked sinners have spoken against Him.”

This is quoted from 1 Enoch (1st 36 chapters are from an inspired scroll, chapter 37 and on are from 4 different scrools than the 1st)

1 Enoch 1:3-9, “And I [Enoch] took up with a parable (saying), “The God of the universe, the Holy Great One, will come forth from his dwelling. And from there he will march upon Mount Sinai and appear in his camp emerging from heaven with a mighty power. And everyone shall be afraid, and Watchers shall quiver. And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth. Mountains and high places will fall down and be frightened. And high hills shall be made low; and they shall melt like a honeycomb before the flame. And earth shall be rent asunder, and all that is upon the earth shall perish. And there shall be a judgment upon all, (including) the righteous. And to all the righteous he will grant peace. He will preserve the elect, and kindness shall be upon them. They shall all belong to God and they shall prosper and be blessed; and the light of God shall shine unto them. Behold, he will arrive with ten million [ten thousand times a thousand] of the holy ones in order to execute judgment upon all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him.”

Genesis 6:9-13, “This is the genealogy of Noaḥ. Noaḥ was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noaḥ walked with Elohim. And Noaḥ brought forth three sons: Shĕm, Ḥam, and Yapheth. And the earth was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. And Elohim looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt – for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth and Elohim said to Noaḥ, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And see, I am going to destroy them from the earth.”

 

[dcontroversal]

What title they had before hand is meaningless to me for they lost that title, they forfeited that right.

If they were sons of God when they took Human women as some believe then you call them sons of God today as well.

That logic does not bear out.....post 63.....there is a heavenly celestial form and a fallen earthly fleshly form.....and you are assuming....i asked you a question....IF they were men do you believe in some form of reincarnation....?

 

[LPT]

Playing the advocate here.....Regardless of who believes what here.....either Jude is inspired or not.....and Jude compares the angels that left their first estate to the men of Sodom going after strange flesh....and we know the following biblical facts....

A> there is heavenly, celestial form and a fallen earthly fleshly form
B> the men of Sodom wanted to SEXUALLY know the angels that came in the form of men
C> in HEAVEN we shall be as the angels (in their heavenly form) not marrying and or given in marriage
D> JESUS disrobed himself of glory and had to take FLESH to walk among men
E> There are anomalies found in scripture that we cannot fully grasp due to a lack of knowledge or spiritual maturity

Etc...

B never says the Angels cam in Hunan form quote the verse that says so if I'm wrong?

 

[iamsoandso]

Job 1:6-7, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”

if "ben ha Elohim" are human how were they already ther when the earth was created? Admah was not created until the 6th day...

Genesis 6:1-7, “And it came to be, when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And יהוה said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name. And יהוה saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And יהוה was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And יהוה said, “I am going to wipe off man whom I have created from the face of the ground, both man and beast, creeping creature and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Jude 1:6-7,, “And the messengers (angels) who did not keep their own principality, but left their own dwelling, He has kept in everlasting shackles under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Even as Seḏom and Amorah and the cities around them in a similar way to these, having given themselves over to whoring and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing judicial punishment of everlasting fire."

Jude 1:14-15, “Ḥanoḵ (Enoch), the seventh from Aḏam, also prophesied of these, saying, “See, יהוה comes with His myriads of set-apart ones, to execute judgment on all, to punish all who are wicked among them concerning all their wicked works which they have committed in a wicked way, and concerning all the harsh words which wicked sinners have spoken against Him.”

This is quoted from 1 Enoch (1st 36 chapters are from an inspired scroll, chapter 37 and on are from 4 different scrools than the 1st)

1 Enoch 1:3-9, “And I [Enoch] took up with a parable (saying), “The God of the universe, the Holy Great One, will come forth from his dwelling. And from there he will march upon Mount Sinai and appear in his camp emerging from heaven with a mighty power. And everyone shall be afraid, and Watchers shall quiver. And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth. Mountains and high places will fall down and be frightened. And high hills shall be made low; and they shall melt like a honeycomb before the flame. And earth shall be rent asunder, and all that is upon the earth shall perish. And there shall be a judgment upon all, (including) the righteous. And to all the righteous he will grant peace. He will preserve the elect, and kindness shall be upon them. They shall all belong to God and they shall prosper and be blessed; and the light of God shall shine unto them. Behold, he will arrive with ten million [ten thousand times a thousand] of the holy ones in order to execute judgment upon all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him.”

Genesis 6:9-13, “This is the genealogy of Noaḥ. Noaḥ was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noaḥ walked with Elohim. And Noaḥ brought forth three sons: Shĕm, Ḥam, and Yapheth. And the earth was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. And Elohim looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt – for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth and Elohim said to Noaḥ, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And see, I am going to destroy them from the earth.”

to and fro up and down in it(a vagabond/wanderer) thats where Satan said he was when God ask him in Job...

 

[dcontroversal]

What title they had before hand is meaningless to me for they lost that title, they forfeited that right.

If they were sons of God when they took Human women as some believe then you call them sons of God today as well.

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants

Like the missing link....why are there no giants today as in giants as tall as the cedars in whose sight a man may appear as a grasshopper....I mean....logically this has got the be the forgone conclusion of the logic above........right?

 

[dcontroversal]

B never says the Angels cam in Hunan form quote the verse that says so if I'm wrong?

And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."

 

[Deade]

Sure and the context of two or three witnesses according to law is for what purpose?....and the last time I checked EVERY WORD of God is inspired and profitable......it is not unbiblical to establish doctrine on ONE verse...for example....

In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.

It is MEN that must establish everything in the mouth of two or three witnesses......God can say ONE thing and it be true and valid as a witness........

And yet you never assume anything. I am not an expert such as yourself to receive revelation from one scripture. I must weigh them all for their actual interpretation. Where is your proof God calls angels sons other than Job 38? Don't give me Gen. 6 or Job 1 and 2 because you haven't established those are angels.

 

[Shamah]

to and fro up and down in it(a vagabond/wanderer) thats where Satan said he was when god ask him in Job...

However that is not what I was asking:

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”

if "ben ha Elohim/sons of Elohim" are human how were they already ther when the earth was created? Admah was not created until the 6th day...

 

[dcontroversal]

And yet you never assume anything. I am not an expert such as yourself to receive revelation from one scripture. I must weigh them all for their actual interpretation. Where is your proof God calls angels sons other than Job 38? Don't give me Gen. 6 or Job 1 and 2 because you haven't established those are angels.

Another assumption.....I never said to not build line upon line, a precept here a precept there....and I never claimed to be an expert in anything........hah

 

[LPT]

Looking at Jude IMO verse seven the sodom and Gomorrha were acting like the ones who Moses broke the first two stones over. yea the fallen ones went after there own thoughts Thats all it is saying.

Jude 1
5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

anybody remember what the people were doing when Moses cam down out of the mountains.

 

[Deade]

Like the missing link....why are there no giants today as in giants as tall as the cedars in whose sight a man may appear as a grasshopper....I mean....logically this has got the be the forgone conclusion of the logic above........right?

Scripture?

 

[dcontroversal]

Looking at Jude IMO verse seven the sodom and Gomorrha were acting like the ones who Moses broke the first two stones over. yea the fallen ones went after there own thoughts Thats all it is saying.

Jude 1
5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Des anybody remember what the people were doing wen Moses cam down out of the mountains.

Even as......ties it to the last clause......

 

[iamsoandso]

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants

Like the missing link....why are there no giants today as in giants as tall as the cedars in whose sight a man may appear as a grasshopper....I mean....logically this has got the be the forgone conclusion of the logic above........right?

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However that is not what I was asking:

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”

if "ben ha Elohim/sons of Elohim" are human how were they already ther when the earth was created? Admah was not created until the 6th day...

the woman,,,was she formed in the sixth day or in Eden after Gd rested?

 

[LPT]

Even as......ties it to the last clause......

Yes there own ways but that's not to say the Demons mated with humans, thats a stretch Armstrong.

 

[iamsoandso]

my error DC,,,still getting use to the new format...

 

[dcontroversal]

Scripture?

Scripture for what.....?

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes there own ways but that's not to say the Demons mated with humans, thats a stretch Armstrong.

Well, I can tell you that grammatically in Greek the sexual undertone is there, but you will not believe it.....so......at the end of the day...we will all be corrected in our errors for sure....