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Noose, those scriptures you quote are not evidence that women cannot, generally, receive the gift of prophecy. Acts 2 already prophesied that sons and daughters would prophesy.

Paul mentioned women prophesying in I Corinthians 11, so either I Corinthians 14 is addressing a narrower case-- a certain type of speaking, etc., or women could prophesy in some other venue besides the assembly. Holding to the position that women do not receive the gift of prophecy and cannot prophesy is not a reasonable position. 'Preach' is usually used in context outside of the church meeting in scripture also.
There's simply no such thing as 'certain type of speaking', 1 Cor 14 is about speaking in tongues and women are not allowed. There's also no such thing as 'prophesying in some other venues apart from assembly' - Every time Paul based his argument on authority even as per the law (Genesis) that men have authority over women and that men were created first and given the authority and women created from men. So there's simply no venue or certain kind of speaking that will make a woman have authority over a man not unless God reverses that (and He has done that for specific women) by appointing a woman.

Acts 2- no woman stood on the assembly to preach. I didn't say women are not indwelled by the Holy spirit, they are and they have different roles in the assembly. Roles that do not involve teaching men.

1 Cor 11 does not cancel 1 Cor 14 & 1 Tim 2 and it is not about women praying and prophesying, it is about women honoring their head and a woman's head is her husband. Paul only uses the words praying and prophesying to signify a public gathering and a woman's head cover was a sign of obedience and submission to the husband, uncovering would mean defiance to the man and the law.

1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2 have no interpretation apart from the directive given by Paul, so no one can purport to say that other scriptures can cancel those directives. The best people have done is argue that those directives are not part of scriptures, they were later additions. Nobody buys that.
 

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Not sure how you are connecting tongues to a woman being silent in church . Where woman as part of the new order allowed to prophesy in church by declaring the gospel?

What was the conduct about seeing the time of reformation brought the opposite sexes as both being a part of the ceremonies. This seeing prior to the reformation there was no mingling? What time period was the new testament government restored to? Where there female prophets then like Deborah for instance?
Simple. If women were not allowed to speak or teach in the church, then they did not speak in tongues also, and if they did not speak in tongues, they never received the gift of speaking in tongues or teaching.
Majority of church goers today are women, therefore majority of tongue speakers today are women already showing a significant change from the first century churches where women did not speak. Clearly shows that tongues today are fake and not from God.

Reformation doesn't bring changes to the word of God, if it was a disgrace for women to teach men or to speak in churches then, it should be a disgrace today yet we see many women purport to speak in tongues in these churches today.
 

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Simple. If women were not allowed to speak or teach in the church, then they did not speak in tongues also, and if they did not speak in tongues, they never received the gift of speaking in tongues or teaching.
Majority of church goers today are women, therefore majority of tongue speakers today are women already showing a significant change from the first century churches where women did not speak. Clearly shows that tongues today are fake and not from God.

Reformation doesn't bring changes to the word of God, if it was a disgrace for women to teach men or to speak in churches then, it should be a disgrace today yet we see many women purport to speak in tongues in these churches today.

That's one place we have our difference. The first century reformation that began with the renting of the veil, signaled by Christ's last words; "It is finished" made a great change. The "it is finished" is speaking of the Old testament order that was used as a parable for the time present (Kings). A change like never before or ever again a heavy tribulation for the natural Jew pertaining to the flesh loosing there temporal privilege .

The reformation restored the government of God to before there were Kings in Israel . God had turned the unbelieving Jew over temporarily to do what they should not of. The Jew saw no evil in doing so. They had become jealous of the surrounding pagan nation using Kings to walk by sight as if the Kingdom of God was of this world .

Again it was restored to a period when God used female prophets as "judges" in the same way as male. Like that of Deborah the Bee.
A time period when men walked by faith in respect to a invisible king. Today there is no outward representative.

Previously in the period of Kings women were not allowed to partake in the ceremonies used as ceremonial laws or shadow that pointed ahead to the fulfillment of that time period of Kings. There was a wall designed to prevent them The sign of Joel came into affect. Men were no longer like the Moslems today, holding a woman to a lesser responsibility.(under my thumb) The reformation changed that elevating a woman to her equal place as the bride of Christ the church .

The teaching had to do with the mingling together of the opposite sex. A place were a burning desire to be intimate on a more personal level of two becoming one it did not take away from the responsibility of the women as those sent out in the world with the gospel .The prophecy of God

It was not a place for romancing or woman giving relationship advice to the opposite sex the same applied to men .Not a place for that seeing it distracted from the ceriniomny ..Just as did woman using gold in the hair covering and other costly arraignment. Many did not even had food at home in that new mixed assembly.

If a person had a relationship teaching they wanted to share with the opposite sex they were to do it at home. Men to teach other men how to work at relationship problems and the same with woman .therefore removing the desire to be more intimate with the opposite sex.

The only glory to be visible during that ceremonial law was the representative glory of our unseen God. The church or the bide of Christ.

Men, the representative glory of Christ our husband as head, no covering, woman as the glory of men their earthly husband, while woman covering their representative glory, hair. God did not leave woman without a representative glory of her own .

Tongues or languages as prophecy were simply part of the new order which included prophets prophesying as declaring the word of God using women as well as men and children to bring the gospel . It was a sign against the unbelieving Jew that mocked prophecy and refused to hear the gospel . God no longer was bringing new prophecy in the Hebrew tongue alone .It mocked the unbelieving Jew with stammering (mocking) lips as those who walked by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world or order.

Because God isno longer adding to His words of prophecy seeing we have the whole or perfrect prophecy after any manner to include a tongue or a vision or dream .We know immediately it is not of God . The Elect are warned beforehand making it impossible to believe if someone says .Thus sayeth the lord, I had a dream or out of the body experience . If that does occur we are to believe not .We are not to exercise faith as if it came form God .
 

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Simple. If women were not allowed to speak or teach in the church, then they did not speak in tongues also, and if they did not speak in tongues, they never received the gift of speaking in tongues or teaching.
Majority of church goers today are women, therefore majority of tongue speakers today are women already showing a significant change from the first century churches where women did not speak. Clearly shows that tongues today are fake and not from God.

Reformation doesn't bring changes to the word of God, if it was a disgrace for women to teach men or to speak in churches then, it should be a disgrace today yet we see many women purport to speak in tongues in these churches today.
this is really error biblically. The word of God contextually never is saying a women cannot speak in a church setting. That is foolishness and it is a thought process stemmed from legalistic elitist who use the word of God to control people. If what is being said here is true then women do not have the Holy Spirt (women saved) and the Holy Spirit does not give any gifts of the Holy Spirit to women. This is not true. The Book of Acts records women receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit Acts 2, we see women prophesying in the church setting. Acts 21:9, 1cor 11:5. Also we see in the Book of Joel the Spirit of God would poured onto women and they will prophesy. This is not the office of a Prophet nor is it in context to having authority over. The idea of Fake does not change what the Holy Spirit will do and has done and continues to do through women.
Of course women cannot speak as in a disruptive manner Paul address that very thing in 1cor 14. Nothing Paul said about women about being silent was seen as even if the Holy Spirit gift were in operation . This is why Paul said we are to Judge . and let all be done in order and decency
 

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That's one place we have our difference. The first century reformation that began with the renting of the veil, signaled by Christ's last words; "It is finished" made a great change. The "it is finished" is speaking of the Old testament order that was used as a parable for the time present (Kings). A change like never before or ever again a heavy tribulation for the natural Jew pertaining to the flesh loosing there temporal privilege .

The reformation restored the government of God to before there were Kings in Israel . God had turned the unbelieving Jew over temporarily to do what they should not of. The Jew saw no evil in doing so. They had become jealous of the surrounding pagan nation using Kings to walk by sight as if the Kingdom of God was of this world .

Again it was restored to a period when God used female prophets as "judges" in the same way as male. Like that of Deborah the Bee.
A time period when men walked by faith in respect to a invisible king. Today there is no outward representative.

Previously in the period of Kings women were not allowed to partake in the ceremonies used as ceremonial laws or shadow that pointed ahead to the fulfillment of that time period of Kings. There was a wall designed to prevent them The sign of Joel came into affect. Men were no longer like the Moslems today, holding a woman to a lesser responsibility.(under my thumb) The reformation changed that elevating a woman to her equal place as the bride of Christ the church .

The teaching had to do with the mingling together of the opposite sex. A place were a burning desire to be intimate on a more personal level of two becoming one it did not take away from the responsibility of the women as those sent out in the world with the gospel .The prophecy of God

It was not a place for romancing or woman giving relationship advice to the opposite sex the same applied to men .Not a place for that seeing it distracted from the ceriniomny ..Just as did woman using gold in the hair covering and other costly arraignment. Many did not even had food at home in that new mixed assembly.

If a person had a relationship teaching they wanted to share with the opposite sex they were to do it at home. Men to teach other men how to work at relationship problems and the same with woman .therefore removing the desire to be more intimate with the opposite sex.

The only glory to be visible during that ceremonial law was the representative glory of our unseen God. The church or the bide of Christ.

Men, the representative glory of Christ our husband as head, no covering, woman as the glory of men their earthly husband, while woman covering their representative glory, hair. God did not leave woman without a representative glory of her own .

Tongues or languages as prophecy were simply part of the new order which included prophets prophesying as declaring the word of God using women as well as men and children to bring the gospel . It was a sign against the unbelieving Jew that mocked prophecy and refused to hear the gospel . God no longer was bringing new prophecy in the Hebrew tongue alone .It mocked the unbelieving Jew with stammering (mocking) lips as those who walked by sight as if the kingdom of God was of this world or order.

Because God isno longer adding to His words of prophecy seeing we have the whole or perfrect prophecy after any manner to include a tongue or a vision or dream .We know immediately it is not of God . The Elect are warned beforehand making it impossible to believe if someone says .Thus sayeth the lord, I had a dream or out of the body experience . If that does occur we are to believe not .We are not to exercise faith as if it came form God .
1 Cor 14 & 1 Tim 2 were taught way after Jesus had said it is finished. If Paul was talking about sexual desire he would have said so and sexual attraction can not only be about women but also men, so Paul would have given directive to men also concerning the issue- yet Paul, every time he raised the issue, he based it on authority/dominion grounds. Women can not have authority over men and the word of God can not flow from a lesser authority to a higher authority, it would be of no effect. Even if things were to be restored to the way they were in the garden of Eden, Adam (men) would still have authority over Eve (Women). Reformation doesn't change this fact.

Morally

On moral grounds, God in His wisdom did not appoint women or children apostles because they were all ordained to face violent deaths for the sake of the Gospel. It was a must that the apostles and the 1st century church messengers had to die violently- there's a reason to this but even i tell you, you wouldn't believe it and i don't want to get into another argument.
I'm not saying women never faced violent, it was generally a hard time and even women would be stoned to death but at least it would be said they were paying for their sin (maybe adultery), but apostles and 1st century messengers on the other hand had to die for preaching the gospel.

Matt 20:21“What do you want?” He asked. She answered, “Declare that in Your kingdom one of these two sons of mine will sit at Your right hand, and the other at Your left.” 22“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Are you able to drink the cupI am going to drink?” “We are able,” the brothers answered. 23“You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said. “But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom My Father has prepared them.”

Mark 10:37They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.” 38“You do not know what you are asking,”Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?” 39“We can,” they answered. “You will drink the cup that I drink,” Jesus said, “and you will be baptized with the baptism I undergo


The kind of baptism that Jesus was talking about was not eating and drinking, it was violent death that faced them all and even Jesus was afraid.


Luke 12:49I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division.

Yes, women were the most zealous but non was appointed for this, including Mary the mother of Jesus. The apostles and those with them faced a brutal ending- some were beheaded, some crucified, some burned alive.
 

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1 Cor 14 & 1 Tim 2 were taught way after Jesus had said it is finished. If Paul was talking about sexual desire he would have said so and sexual attraction can not only be about women but also men, so Paul would have given directive to men also concerning the issue- yet Paul, every time he raised the issue, he based it on authority/dominion grounds. Women can not have authority over men and the word of God can not flow from a lesser authority to a higher authority, it would be of no effect. Even if things were to be restored to the way they were in the garden of Eden, Adam (men) would still have authority over Eve (Women). Reformation doesn't change this fact.

Morally

On moral grounds, God in His wisdom did not appoint women or children apostles because they were all ordained to face violent deaths for the sake of the Gospel. It was a must that the apostles and the 1st century church messengers had to die violently- there's a reason to this but even i tell you, you wouldn't believe it and i don't want to get into another argument.
I'm not saying women never faced violent, it was generally a hard time and even women would be stoned to death but at least it would be said they were paying for their sin (maybe adultery), but apostles and 1st century messengers on the other hand had to die for preaching the gospel.

Matt 20:21“What do you want?” He asked. She answered, “Declare that in Your kingdom one of these two sons of mine will sit at Your right hand, and the other at Your left.” 22“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Are you able to drink the cupI am going to drink?” “We are able,” the brothers answered. 23“You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said. “But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom My Father has prepared them.”

Mark 10:37They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.” 38“You do not know what you are asking,”Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?” 39“We can,” they answered. “You will drink the cup that I drink,” Jesus said, “and you will be baptized with the baptism I undergo


The kind of baptism that Jesus was talking about was not eating and drinking, it was violent death that faced them all and even Jesus was afraid.


Luke 12:49I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division.

Yes, women were the most zealous but non was appointed for this, including Mary the mother of Jesus. The apostles and those with them faced a brutal ending- some were beheaded, some crucified, some burned alive.


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Morally

On moral grounds, God in His wisdom did not appoint women or children apostles because they were all ordained to face violent deaths for the sake of the Gospel. It was a must that the apostles and the 1st century church messengers had to die violently- there's a reason to this but even i tell you, you wouldn't believe it and i don't want to get into another argument."


Finally something I can agree with. And I think it is very well stated too.
 

Noose

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this is really error biblically. The word of God contextually never is saying a women cannot speak in a church setting. That is foolishness and it is a thought process stemmed from legalistic elitist who use the word of God to control people. If what is being said here is true then women do not have the Holy Spirt (women saved) and the Holy Spirit does not give any gifts of the Holy Spirit to women. This is not true. The Book of Acts records women receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit Acts 2, we see women prophesying in the church setting. Acts 21:9, 1cor 11:5. Also we see in the Book of Joel the Spirit of God would poured onto women and they will prophesy. This is not the office of a Prophet nor is it in context to having authority over. The idea of Fake does not change what the Holy Spirit will do and has done and continues to do through women.
Of course women cannot speak as in a disruptive manner Paul address that very thing in 1cor 14. Nothing Paul said about women about being silent was seen as even if the Holy Spirit gift were in operation . This is why Paul said we are to Judge . and let all be done in order and decency
Women are more blessed than you may imagine and it is not about what you see in Acts 2/Acts 21/ 1 Cor 11, it is what you understand about them. Paul has always based his arguments on authority and never about disturbance. A woman does not have authority over a man and for that simple reason can not teach a man. The spirit of God only moves from appointed authority downwards to subordinates because the issue of obedience must come to play. It can not not not move the other way round- the hierarchy will always be:

God-Son of God-Apostles-Men- Men and other women - children

And God will always hold the higher authority accountable for their subordinates. Without this arrangement/hierarchy, there's no salvation at all. We see this from the beginning in the garden of Eden where Eve sinned and nothing happened but as soon as the husband (Adam) sinned, their shame was revealed. Sin came to the world on the account of Adam only and not both because Adam had authority over Eve even though Eve was the one that was deceived. Also in the same manner, the sins of the church(bride) are counted on the one who has authority over the church (groom) aka the head of the church who is christ. That's why i said without this arrangement we are all doomed. Salvation which comes through the spirit of God has to flow from a point of authority and not the other way round. This has been Paul's argument chapter after chapter and epistle after epistle including 1 Cor 11 and also this:

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Many don't understand why Paul says women are saved through childbearing:

1 Tim 2:8Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

God has insisted He is a righteous judge and the painful fleshly punishment dished to women for the role they played is justified, and because the spiritual sin is in the account of man, it is man to seek the spiritual salvation from the head who is Christ.

Acts 2/Joel 2 prophesy is something else, it doesn't mean women were appointed to prophesy in the assembly and don't see any woman standing prophesy or teach in an assembly. If you ask me for my understanding, i'll explain.

1 Cor 11 is not about prayer and prophesy, it is about the hierarchy that we have just talked about and a deeper understanding of this chapter would come to the conclusion that women are not to speak/teach men, whether they are covered or not.
 

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1 Cor 14 & 1 Tim 2 were taught way after Jesus had said it is finished.
Hi thanks for the reply.

The Spirit of Christ, the eternal word which is not subject to change it continues to speak as long as today is today . It is finished I think was more of a signal ending the old testament order. The time of reformation had come. Women and men could gather together and celebrate the new testament ceremonial laws opening the way for male and female, Jew and gentile and children alike to prophesy by declaring prophecy the gospel . It has been turned in a cultural thing a fad for the that time period, destroying the intention to be used as a presentative glory of God's unseen glory or the male and female working in harmony to one another as one metaphorical work .

If Paul was talking about sexual desire he would have said so and sexual attraction can not only be about women but also men, so Paul would have given directive to men also concerning the issue- yet Paul, every time he raised the issue, he based it on authority/dominion grounds.
I can't be teaching in the sense of prophesying or tonuues, one of the manners God did declare his will when he was adding to the book of the law, the Bible.

Christ not seen is the teacher in that way just as we are to call no man father on earth. The same applies to teacher. We preach Christ and not that of our own selves. I believe God can use a unbeliever to bring his good news .He is not served by human hands. Neither male not female gets any credit for God's Holy Spirit working in them to both will and do His good pleasure.(imputed righteousness)

Even the Son of man Jesus when called good teacher resisted being called master. And said only God not seen is good. He alone dwells in His Holy unseen place as the hidden glory. In the new order the sun and the moon as temporal time keepers will not be needed His glory will be the light. There will be no darkness forever more. .

We cannot serve two masters .the unseen things of H God and the things of man seen that they can but with mammon

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Women can not have authority over men and the word of God can not flow from a lesser authority to a higher authority, it would be of no effect. Even if things were to be restored to the way they were in the garden of Eden, Adam (men) would still have authority over Eve (Women). Reformation doesn't change this fact.
I don't think men have authority over the woman as lording it over any more than the father has authority over the son . Greater position as unseen (the holy place)but not a greater person. God is one. Just as we will be when we do receive our new incorruptible bodies.

I think it was to keep down the moral decline mixing of the sexes and the mixing of what we call unenvenly yoked until The Son of man was born .Today it could distract from the new testament ceremonial law. The no covered head of man and the covering of the representation of glory, woman hair. Woman who is a glory of men is not left with a glory of herself. .It applied to both man a woman .If interested in finding out relationship problem both can ask there spouses at home. No teaching at church

On moral grounds, God in His wisdom did not appoint women or children apostles because they were all ordained to face violent deaths for the sake of the Gospel.

It was a must that the apostles and the 1st century church messengers had to die violently- there's a reason to this but even i tell you, you wouldn't believe it and i don't want to get into another argument.

'm not saying women never faced violent, it was generally a hard time and even women would be stoned to death but at least it would be said they were paying for their sin (maybe adultery), but apostles and 1st century messengers on the other hand had to die for preaching the gospel.
The word apostles has lost its intended meaning by adding another meaning . The Catholic are noted for that. The word apostle simply means "sent one" it has nothing to do with male or female, Jew nor Gentile . Deborah a prophet was sent by God to deliver Israel using her as a apostle .There are a few listed in the new testament

Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.Romans 16:7
 

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Women are more blessed than you may imagine and it is not about what you see in Acts 2/Acts 21/ 1 Cor 11, it is what you understand about them. Paul has always based his arguments on authority and never about disturbance. A woman does not have authority over a man and for that simple reason can not teach a man. The spirit of God only moves from appointed authority downwards to subordinates because the issue of obedience must come to play. It can not not not move the other way round- the hierarchy will always be:

God-Son of God-Apostles-Men- Men and other women - children

And God will always hold the higher authority accountable for their subordinates. Without this arrangement/hierarchy, there's no salvation at all. We see this from the beginning in the garden of Eden where Eve sinned and nothing happened but as soon as the husband (Adam) sinned, their shame was revealed. Sin came to the world on the account of Adam only and not both because Adam had authority over Eve even though Eve was the one that was deceived. Also in the same manner, the sins of the church(bride) are counted on the one who has authority over the church (groom) aka the head of the church who is christ. That's why i said without this arrangement we are all doomed. Salvation which comes through the spirit of God has to flow from a point of authority and not the other way round. This has been Paul's argument chapter after chapter and epistle after epistle including 1 Cor 11 and also this:

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Many don't understand why Paul says women are saved through childbearing:

1 Tim 2:8Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

God has insisted He is a righteous judge and the painful fleshly punishment dished to women for the role they played is justified, and because the spiritual sin is in the account of man, it is man to seek the spiritual salvation from the head who is Christ.

Acts 2/Joel 2 prophesy is something else, it doesn't mean women were appointed to prophesy in the assembly and don't see any woman standing prophesy or teach in an assembly. If you ask me for my understanding, i'll explain.

1 Cor 11 is not about prayer and prophesy, it is about the hierarchy that we have just talked about and a deeper understanding of this chapter would come to the conclusion that women are not to speak/teach men, whether they are covered or not.

the thing you do not see is the context of authority and covering in the church setting when the gift of the Holy Spirit is in operation no one is saying women will be appointed to prophesy nor does 1cor 12 state anything like that It says the Holy Spirit will use those as HE sees it does not say HE will not use women in the church setting in the gifts of the Holy Spirit . A wife can use the gifts of the Holy Spirit if done properly with a covering.
 

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At our formal worship meetings women operate all three voice gifts given by the Holy Spirit -
diversity of tongues, followed by interpretation, and prophecy.
Women are not teaching anybody in the congregation. God is teaching us by his Spirit.
 

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Hi thanks for the reply.

The Spirit of Christ, the eternal word which is not subject to change it continues to speak as long as today is today . It is finished I think was more of a signal ending the old testament order. The time of reformation had come. Women and men could gather together and celebrate the new testament ceremonial laws opening the way for male and female, Jew and gentile and children alike to prophesy by declaring prophecy the gospel . It has been turned in a cultural thing a fad for the that time period, destroying the intention to be used as a presentative glory of God's unseen glory or the male and female working in harmony to one another as one metaphorical work .



I can't be teaching in the sense of prophesying or tonuues, one of the manners God did declare his will when he was adding to the book of the law, the Bible.

Christ not seen is the teacher in that way just as we are to call no man father on earth. The same applies to teacher. We preach Christ and not that of our own selves. I believe God can use a unbeliever to bring his good news .He is not served by human hands. Neither male not female gets any credit for God's Holy Spirit working in them to both will and do His good pleasure.(imputed righteousness)

Even the Son of man Jesus when called good teacher resisted being called master. And said only God not seen is good. He alone dwells in His Holy unseen place as the hidden glory. In the new order the sun and the moon as temporal time keepers will not be needed His glory will be the light. There will be no darkness forever more. .

We cannot serve two masters .the unseen things of H God and the things of man seen that they can but with mammon

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.



I don't think men have authority over the woman as lording it over any more than the father has authority over the son . Greater position as unseen (the holy place)but not a greater person. God is one. Just as we will be when we do receive our new incorruptible bodies.

I think it was to keep down the moral decline mixing of the sexes and the mixing of what we call unenvenly yoked until The Son of man was born .Today it could distract from the new testament ceremonial law. The no covered head of man and the covering of the representation of glory, woman hair. Woman who is a glory of men is not left with a glory of herself. .It applied to both man a woman .If interested in finding out relationship problem both can ask there spouses at home. No teaching at church



The word apostles has lost its intended meaning by adding another meaning . The Catholic are noted for that. The word apostle simply means "sent one" it has nothing to do with male or female, Jew nor Gentile . Deborah a prophet was sent by God to deliver Israel using her as a apostle .There are a few listed in the new testament

Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.Romans 16:7
Ok,

Q1. Why is it said that sin came to the world on the account of Adam and not Eve, yet from your perspective, it seems to have come through Eve?

Q2. Isn't Christ (groom) the head of the church (bride)? and if the bride and the groom are equally responsible, then our sins were not imputed on the account of Christ and we have to pay for our own sins.
 

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At our formal worship meetings women operate all three voice gifts given by the Holy Spirit -
diversity of tongues, followed by interpretation, and prophecy.
Women are not teaching anybody in the congregation. God is teaching us by his Spirit.
So why doesn't your church allow unbelievers to come and teach? after all you won't see it as an unbeliever teaching but God- more like God used Nebuchadnezzar.

God can also use animals and even says 'stones will cry out', so why does your church only stop at men and women?
 

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the thing you do not see is the context of authority and covering in the church setting when the gift of the Holy Spirit is in operation no one is saying women will be appointed to prophesy nor does 1cor 12 state anything like that It says the Holy Spirit will use those as HE sees it does not say HE will not use women in the church setting in the gifts of the Holy Spirit . A wife can use the gifts of the Holy Spirit if done properly with a covering.
I would suggest to prophesy is to declare the word of God, prophecy.

Tongues is prophecy in many languages and just not in Hebrew alone .tongues God briniging prophecy in many languages is an outward sign against the unbelieving Jew that mocked God

How it did get turned around an is used as a hope to confirm the opposite a sign to those who do believe prophecy is simply an oral tradition of men that do seek after the things seen to give them s a false assurance .

Tongues is a sign against those who do not believe prophecy, (the word of God ).A contrite new heart for those who do believe the word of God .Only God looks unto the heart. No outward signs for those who do believe according to the law in 1 Corinthians 14
You could say a law of God that apposes the oral traditions of men .


In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but "prophesying" serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14: 21-22

No sign for those who do believe. Signs confirm unbelief, "no faith"
 
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I would suggest to prophesy is to declare the word of God, prophecy.

Tongues is prophecy in many languages and just not in Hebrew alone .tongues God briniging prophecy in many languages is an outward sign against the unbelieving Jew that mocked God

How it did get turned around an is used as a hope to confirm the opposite a sign to those who do believe prophecy is simply an oral tradition of men that do seek after the things seen to give them s a false assurance .

Tongues is a sign against those who do not believe prophecy, (the word of God ).A contrite new heart for those who do believe the word of God .Only God looks unto the heart. No outward signs for those who do believe according to the law in 1 Corinthians 14
You could say a law of God that apposes the oral traditions of men .


In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but "prophesying" serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14: 21-22

No sign for those who do believe. Signs confirm unbelief, "no faith"

***That is not what the gift of speaking in tongues is. I know Biblically and experiencially. I didn't need the sign gifts in order to believe. I was born again and in Christian school teaching ministry when I received the spiritual gifts. Please reread my postings for you personally. You are just stubborn about your opinions. And you made a wrong statement about the purpose of the Law of God. And the sign spiritual gifts don't confirm unbelief.
 

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I would suggest to prophesy is to declare the word of God, prophecy.

Tongues is prophecy in many languages and just not in Hebrew alone .tongues God briniging prophecy in many languages is an outward sign against the unbelieving Jew that mocked God

How it did get turned around an is used as a hope to confirm the opposite a sign to those who do believe prophecy is simply an oral tradition of men that do seek after the things seen to give them s a false assurance .

Tongues is a sign against those who do not believe prophecy, (the word of God ).A contrite new heart for those who do believe the word of God .Only God looks unto the heart. No outward signs for those who do believe according to the law in 1 Corinthians 14
You could say a law of God that apposes the oral traditions of men .


In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but "prophesying" serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14: 21-22

No sign for those who do believe. Signs confirm unbelief, "no faith"

the context of scripture and how it is used can be that yes but prophecy is also speaking under the inspiration. Prophesying is a gift of the Holy Spirit and one used is not in the office of a Prophet in context to 1cor 12chapter to 14.

you need to learn what :

a prophet is
prophesying is
prophecy is

they are all differnt contextually . what you have said above in not correct .
 

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Ok,

Q1. Why is it said that sin came to the world on the account of Adam and not Eve, yet from your perspective, it seems to have come through Eve?

Q2. Isn't Christ (groom) the head of the church (bride)? and if the bride and the groom are equally responsible, then our sins were not imputed on the account of Christ and we have to pay for our own sins.

It came from believing the lie in effect they both believed the lie, both ate . Man, womans equal was faulted for not being one with the wife they were to protect each other as one creation. The one creation is called mankind (male and female) Christ is the head of mankind male and female.

As new creatures in His chaste virgin bride. Christ our husband marks no difference. Between male and female, Jew nor gentile. What we are (male and female) is not what we will be. The church is reckoned as a city prepared as His bride church she is the mother of us all. The new heavenly Jerusalem she is our city of refuge where moths and rust does not destroy our adoption papers .

For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.Isaia 63:5
 

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***That is not what the gift of speaking in tongues is. I know Biblically and experiencially. I didn't need the sign gifts in order to believe. I was born again and in Christian school teaching ministry when I received the spiritual gifts. Please reread my postings for you personally. You are just stubborn about your opinions. And you made a wrong statement about the purpose of the Law of God. And the sign spiritual gifts don't confirm unbelief.
Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth .God's word as it is written alone is.

If you do not need a sign to believe .What did making a noise confirm?

Its not a sign of "spiritual gift" but rather it is a sign that men do not have the gift of prophecy. Prophecy supplies no sign other than a contrite new heart, not visible.

No sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel an evil generation natural man (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe or exercise the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God.( no sign )
 

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the context of scripture and how it is used can be that yes but prophecy is also speaking under the inspiration. Prophesying is a gift of the Holy Spirit and one used is not in the office of a Prophet in context to 1cor 12chapter to 14.

you need to learn what :

a prophet is
prophesying is
prophecy is

they are all differnt contextually . what you have said above in not correct .
I would suggest a prophet is one who prophesies..., prophecy (God's word) Or one who declares prophecy the word of God

Prophecy is the word of God. This is all one context .( Prophecy)

God unseen speaking prophesying by declaring the gospel .No outward sign. The sign is prophecy scripture it informs us God not seen, has spoken . We walk by that faith the unseen understanding .
 
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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth .God's word as it is written alone is.

If you do not need a sign to believe .What did making a noise confirm?

Its not a sign of "spiritual gift" but rather it is a sign that men do not have the gift of prophecy. Prophecy supplies no sign other than a contrite new heart, not visible.

No sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel an evil generation natural man (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe or exercise the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God.( no sign )


Again you are not understanding me. If you would do a Greek study in 1 John, you would discover 3 Greek words for the word "know". One is intellectually, another is absolutely, and the third experiencially. The first one is only used once in that epistle. What does that mean?

1Jn_2:3 AndG2532 herebyG1722 G5129 we do knowG1097 thatG3754 we knowG1097 him,G846 ifG1437 we keepG5083 hisG848 commandments.G1785
1Jn_2:4 He that saith,G3004 I knowG1097 him,G846 andG2532 keepethG5083 notG3361 hisG848 commandments,G1785 isG2076 a liar,G5583 andG2532 theG3588 truthG225 isG2076 notG3756 inG1722 him.G5129
1Jn_2:5 ButG1161 whosoG3739 G302 keepethG5083 hisG848 word,G3056 inG1722 himG5129 verilyG230 is theG3588 loveG26 of GodG2316 perfected:G5048 herebyG1722 G5129 knowG1097 we thatG3754 we areG2070 inG1722 him.G846
1Jn_2:18 Little children,G3813 it isG2076 the lastG2078 time:G5610 andG2532 asG2531 ye have heardG191 thatG3754 antichristG500 shall come,G2064 evenG2532 nowG3568 areG1096 there manyG4183 antichrists;G500 wherebyG3606 we knowG1097 thatG3754 it isG2076 the lastG2078 time.G5610
1Jn_2:20 ButG2532 yeG5210 haveG2192 an unctionG5545 fromG575 theG3588 Holy One,G40 andG2532 ye knowG1492 all things.G3956
1Jn_2:21 I have notG3756 writtenG1125 unto youG5213 becauseG3754 ye knowG1492 notG3756 theG3588 truth,G225 butG235 becauseG3754 ye knowG1492 it,G846 andG2532 thatG3754 noG3956 G3756 lieG5579 isG2076 ofG1537 theG3588 truth.G225
1Jn_2:29 IfG1437 ye knowG1492 thatG3754 he isG2076 righteous,G1342 ye knowG1097 thatG3754 every oneG3956 that doethG4160 righteousnessG1343 is bornG1080 ofG1537 him.G846
1Jn_3:2 Beloved,G27 nowG3568 areG2070 we the sonsG5043 of God,G2316 andG2532 it doth not yetG3768 appearG5319 whatG5101 we shall be:G2071 butG1161 we knowG1492 that,G3754 whenG1437 he shall appear,G5319 we shall beG2071 likeG3664 him;G846 forG3754 we shall seeG3700 himG846 asG2531 he is.G2076
1Jn_3:5 AndG2532 ye knowG1492 thatG3754 heG1565 was manifestedG5319 toG2443 take awayG142 ourG2257 sins;G266 andG2532 inG1722 himG846 isG2076 noG3756 sin.G266
1Jn_3:14 WeG2249 knowG1492 thatG3754 we have passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life,G2222 becauseG3754 we loveG25 theG3588 brethren.G80 He that lovethG25 notG3361 his brotherG80 abidethG3306 inG1722 death.G2288
1Jn_3:15 WhosoeverG3956 hatethG3404 hisG848 brotherG80 isG2076 a murderer:G443 andG2532 ye knowG1492 thatG3754 noG3956 G3756 murdererG443 hathG2192 eternalG166 lifeG2222 abidingG3306 inG1722 him.G846
1Jn_3:19 AndG2532 herebyG1722 G5129 we knowG1097 thatG3754 we areG2070 ofG1537 theG3588 truth,G225 andG2532 shall assureG3982 ourG2257 heartsG2588 beforeG1715 him.G846
1Jn_3:24 AndG2532 he that keepethG5083 hisG848 commandmentsG1785 dwellethG3306 inG1722 him,G846 andG2532 heG846 inG1722 him.G846 AndG2532 herebyG1722 G5129 we knowG1097 thatG3754 he abidethG3306 inG1722 us,G2254 byG1537 theG3588 SpiritG4151 whichG3739 he hath givenG1325 us.G2254
1Jn_4:2 HerebyG1722 G5129 knowG1097 ye theG3588 SpiritG4151 of God:G2316 EveryG3956 spiritG4151 thatG3739 confessethG3670 that JesusG2424 ChristG5547 is comeG2064 inG1722 the fleshG4561 isG2076 ofG1537 God:G2316
1Jn_4:6 WeG2249 areG2070 ofG1537 God:G2316 he that knowethG1097 GodG2316 hearethG191 us;G2257 he thatG3739 isG2076 notG3756 ofG1537 GodG2316 hearethG191 notG3756 us.G2257 HerebyG1537 G5127 knowG1097 we theG3588 spiritG4151 of truth,G225 andG2532 theG3588 spiritG4151 of error.G4106
1Jn_4:13 HerebyG1722 G5129 knowG1097 we thatG3754 we dwellG3306 inG1722 him,G846 andG2532 heG846 inG1722 us,G2254 becauseG3754 he hath givenG1325 usG2254 ofG1537 hisG848 Spirit.G4151
1Jn_5:2 ByG1722 thisG5129 we knowG1097 thatG3754 we loveG25 theG3588 childrenG5043 of God,G2316 whenG3752 we loveG25 God,G2316 andG2532 keepG5083 hisG848 commandments.G1785
1Jn_5:13 These thingsG5023 have I writtenG1125 unto youG5213 that believeG4100 onG1519 theG3588 nameG3686 of theG3588 SonG5207 of God;G2316 thatG2443 ye may knowG1492 thatG3754 ye haveG2192 eternalG166 life,G2222 andG2532 thatG2443 ye may believeG4100 onG1519 theG3588 nameG3686 of theG3588 SonG5207 of God.G2316
1Jn_5:15 AndG2532 ifG1437 we knowG1492 thatG3754 he hearG191 us,G2257 whatsoeverG3739 G302 we ask,G154 we knowG1492 thatG3754 we haveG2192 theG3588 petitionsG155 thatG3739 we desiredG154 ofG3844 him.G846
1Jn_5:18 We knowG1492 thatG3754 whosoeverG3956 is bornG1080 ofG1537 GodG2316 sinnethG264 not;G3756 butG235 he that is begottenG1080 ofG1537 GodG2316 keepethG5083 himself,G1438 andG2532 that wicked oneG4190 touchethG680 himG846 not.G3756
1Jn_5:19 And we knowG1492 thatG3754 we areG2070 ofG1537 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 wholeG3650 worldG2889 liethG2749 inG1722 wickedness.G4190
1Jn_5:20 AndG1161 we knowG1492 thatG3754 theG3588 SonG5207 of GodG2316 is come,G2240 andG2532 hath givenG1325 usG2254 an understanding,G1271 thatG2443 we may knowG1097 him that is true,G228 andG2532 we areG2070 inG1722 him that is true,G228 even inG1722 hisG848 SonG5207 JesusG2424 Christ.G5547 ThisG3778 isG2076 theG3588 trueG228 God,G2316 andG2532 eternalG166 life.G2222
 
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Rom_3:19 NowG1161 we knowG1492 thatG3754 what things soeverG3745 theG3588 lawG3551 saith,G3004 it saithG2980 to themG3588 who are underG1722 theG3588 law:G3551 thatG2443 everyG3956 mouthG4750 may be stopped,G5420 andG2532 allG3956 theG3588 worldG2889 may becomeG1096 guiltyG5267 before God.G2316
Rom_6:3 (G2228) Know ye not,G50 thatG3754 so many of us asG3745 were baptizedG907 intoG1519 JesusG2424 ChristG5547 were baptizedG907 intoG1519 hisG848 death?G2288
Rom_6:16 KnowG1492 ye not,G3756 thatG3754 to whomG3739 ye yieldG3936 yourselvesG1438 servantsG1401 toG1519 obey,G5218 his servantsG1401 ye areG2075 to whomG3739 ye obey;G5219 whetherG2273 of sinG266 untoG1519 death,G2288 orG2228 of obedienceG5218 untoG1519 righteousness?G1343
Rom_7:1 (G2228) Know ye not,G50 brethren,G80 (forG1063 I speakG2980 to them that knowG1097 the law,)G3551 how thatG3754 theG3588 lawG3551 hath dominion overG2961 a manG444 (G1909) as long asG3745 G5550 he liveth?G2198
Rom_7:14 ForG1063 we knowG1492 thatG3754 theG3588 lawG3551 isG2076 spiritual:G4152 butG1161 IG1473 amG1510 carnal,G4559 soldG4097 underG5259 sin.G266
Rom_7:18 ForG1063 I knowG1492 thatG3754 inG1722 meG1698 (that is,G5123 inG1722 myG3450 flesh,)G4561 dwellethG3611 noG3756 good thing:G18 forG1063 to willG2309 is presentG3873 with me;G3427 butG1161 how to performG2716 that which is goodG2570 I findG2147 not.G3756
Rom_8:22 ForG1063 we knowG1492 thatG3754 the wholeG3956 creationG2937 groanethG4959 andG2532 travaileth in pain togetherG4944 untilG891 now.G3568
Rom_8:26 (G1161) LikewiseG5615 theG3588 SpiritG4151 alsoG2532 helpethG4878 ourG2257 infirmities:G769 forG1063 we knowG1492 notG3756 whatG5101 we should pray forG4336 asG2526 we ought:G1163 butG235 theG3588 SpiritG4151 itselfG848 maketh intercessionG5241 forG5228 usG2257 with groaningsG4726 which cannot be uttered.G215
Rom_8:28 AndG1161 we knowG1492 thatG3754 all thingsG3956 work togetherG4903 forG1519 goodG18 to them that loveG25 God,G2316 to them who areG5607 theG3588 calledG2822 accordingG2596 to his purpose.G4286
Rom_10:19 ButG235 I say,G3004 Did notG3378 IsraelG2474 know?G1097 FirstG4413 MosesG3475 saith,G3004 IG1473 will provoke you to jealousyG3863 G5209 byG1909 them that are noG3756 people,G1484 and byG1909 a foolishG801 nationG1484 I will angerG3949 you.G5209
Rom_14:14 I know,G1492 andG2532 am persuadedG3982 byG1722 the LordG2962 Jesus,G2424 thatG3754 there is nothingG3762 uncleanG2839 ofG1223 itself:G1438 butG1508 to him that esteemethG3049 any thingG5100 to beG1511 unclean,G2839 to himG1565 it is unclean.G2839
1Co_1:16 AndG1161 I baptizedG907 alsoG2532 theG3588 householdG3624 of Stephanas:G4734 besides,G3063 I knowG1492 notG3756 whether I baptized anyG1536 G907 other.G243
1Co_2:2 ForG1063 I determinedG2919 notG3756 to knowG1492 any thingG5100 amongG1722 you,G5213 saveG1508 JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 andG2532 himG5126 crucified.G4717
1Co_2:12 NowG1161 weG2249 have received,G2983 notG3756 theG3588 spiritG4151 of theG3588 world,G2889 butG235 theG3588 spiritG4151 whichG3588 is ofG1537 God;G2316 thatG2443 we might knowG1492 the thingsG3588 that are freely givenG5483 to usG2254 ofG5259 God.G2316
1Co_2:14 ButG1161 the naturalG5591 manG444 receivethG1209 notG3756 the thingsG3588 of theG3588 SpiritG4151 of God:G2316 forG1063 they areG2076 foolishnessG3472 unto him:G846 neitherG2532 G3756 canG1410 he knowG1097 them, becauseG3754 they are spirituallyG4153 discerned.G350
1Co_3:16 KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 ye areG2075 the templeG3485 of God,G2316 andG2532 that theG3588 SpiritG4151 of GodG2316 dwellethG3611 inG1722 you?G5213
1Co_4:4 ForG1063 I knowG4894 nothingG3762 by myself;G1683 yetG235 am I notG3756 herebyG1722 G5129 justified:G1344 butG1161 he that judgethG350 meG3165 isG2076 the Lord.G2962
1Co_4:19 ButG1161 I will comeG2064 toG4314 youG5209 shortly,G5030 ifG1437 theG3588 LordG2962 will,G2309 andG2532 will know,G1097 notG3756 theG3588 speechG3056 of them which are puffed up,G5448 butG235 theG3588 power.G1411
1Co_5:6 YourG5216 gloryingG2745 is notG3756 good.G2570 KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 a littleG3398 leavenG2219 leavenethG2220 theG3588 wholeG3650 lump?G5445
1Co_6:2 Do ye notG3756 knowG1492 thatG3754 theG3588 saintsG40 shall judgeG2919 theG3588 world?G2889 andG2532 ifG1487 theG3588 worldG2889 shall be judgedG2919 byG1722 you,G5213 areG2075 ye unworthyG370 to judge the smallest matters?G2922 G1646
1Co_6:3 KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 we shall judgeG2919 angels?G32 how much moreG3386 things that pertain to this life?G982
1Co_6:9 (G2228) KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 the unrighteousG94 shall notG3756 inheritG2816 the kingdomG932 of God?G2316 Be notG3361 deceived:G4105 neitherG3777 fornicators,G4205 norG3777 idolaters,G1496 norG3777 adulterers,G3432 norG3777 effeminate,G3120 norG3777 abusers of themselves with mankind,G733
1Co_6:15 KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 yourG5216 bodiesG4983 areG2076 the membersG3196 of Christ?G5547 shall I thenG3767 takeG142 theG3588 membersG3196 of Christ,G5547 and makeG4160 them the membersG3196 of an harlot?G4204 God forbid.G1096 G3361
1Co_6:16 What?G2228 knowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 he which is joinedG2853 to an harlotG4204 isG2076 oneG1520 body?G4983 forG1063 two,G1417 saithG5346 he, shall beG2071 one(G3391) flesh.G4561
1Co_6:19 What?G2228 knowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 yourG5216 bodyG4983 isG2076 the templeG3485 of theG3588 HolyG40 GhostG4151 which is inG1722 you,G5213 whichG3739 ye haveG2192 ofG575 God,G2316 andG2532 ye areG2075 notG3756 your own?G1438
1Co_8:1 NowG1161 as touchingG4012 things offered unto idols,G1494 we knowG1492 thatG3754 we allG3956 haveG2192 knowledge.G1108 KnowledgeG1108 puffeth up,G5448 butG1161 charityG26 edifieth.G3618
1Co_8:2 AndG1161 ifG1487 any manG5100 thinkG1380 that he knowethG1492 any thing,G5100 he knowethG1097 nothingG3762 yetG3764 asG2531 he oughtG1163 to know.G1097
1Co_8:4 As concerningG4012 thereforeG3767 theG3588 eatingG1035 of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols,G1494 we knowG1492 thatG3754 an idolG1497 is nothingG3762 inG1722 the world,G2889 andG2532 thatG3754 there is noneG3762 otherG2087 GodG2316 butG1508 one.G1520
1Co_9:13 Do ye notG3756 knowG1492 thatG3754 they which ministerG2038 about holy thingsG2413 liveG2068 of the things ofG1537 theG3588 temple?G2411 and they which waitG4332 at theG3588 altarG2379 are partakers withG4829 theG3588 altar?G2379
1Co_9:24 KnowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 they which runG5143 inG1722 a raceG4712 runG5143 all,G3956 (G3303) butG1161 oneG1520 receivethG2983 theG3588 prize?G1017 SoG3779 run,G5143 thatG2443 ye may obtain.G2638
1Co_11:3 ButG1161 I wouldG2309 have youG5209 know,G1492 thatG3754 theG3588 headG2776 of everyG3956 manG435 isG2076 Christ;G5547 andG1161 the headG2776 of the womanG1135 is theG3588 man;G435 andG1161 the headG2776 of ChristG5547 is God.G2316
1Co_12:2 Ye knowG1492 thatG3754 ye wereG2258 Gentiles,G1484 carried awayG520 untoG4314 these dumbG880 idols,G1497 even asG5613 ye were led.G71 G302
1Co_13:9 ForG1063 we knowG1097 inG1537 part,G3313 andG2532 we prophesyG4395 inG1537 part.G3313
1Co_13:12 ForG1063 nowG737 we seeG991 throughG1223 a glass,G2072 darkly;G1722 G135 butG1161 thenG5119 faceG4383 toG4314 face:G4383 nowG737 I knowG1097 inG1537 part;G3313 butG1161 thenG5119 shall I knowG1921 even asG2531 alsoG2532 I am known.G1921
1Co_14:11 ThereforeG3767 ifG1437 I knowG1492 notG3361 theG3588 meaningG1411 of theG3588 voice,G5456 I shall beG2071 unto him that speakethG2980 a barbarian,G915 andG2532 he that speakethG2980 shall be a barbarianG915 untoG1722 me.G1698
1Co_15:58 Therefore,G5620 myG3450 belovedG27 brethren,G80 beG1096 ye stedfast,G1476 unmoveable,G277 alwaysG3842 aboundingG4052 inG1722 theG3588 workG2041 of theG3588 Lord,G2962 forasmuch as ye knowG1492 thatG3754 yourG5216 labourG2873 isG2076 notG3756 in vainG2756 inG1722 the Lord.G2962
1Co_16:15 (G1161) I beseechG3870 you,G5209 brethren,G80 (ye knowG1492 theG3588 houseG3614 of Stephanas,G4734 thatG3754 it isG2076 the firstfruitsG536 of Achaia,G882 andG2532 that they have addictedG5021 themselvesG1438 toG1519 the ministryG1248 of theG3588 saints,)G40