Speaking in tongues

[Noose]

Often, generic broad sweeping statements like this aren't absolutely true. One of the most famous verses in the Bible mentions both other and self-- you shall ove your neighbor as you love yourself.

The details of I Corinthians 14, for example, are still true, in spite of your broad statement. The one who speaks in tongues if there is no interpreter is to keep silent in the church, but he is still told to 'speak to himself and to God.'

Paul said he who speaks in tongues edifies himself. "I would that ye all spake with tongues." That's what he said about a self-edifying activity. But concerning an activity that edifies others, he said, 'but rather that ye prophesied.'

If self-edification were not allowed, we should not be allowed to pray or read the Bible alone. Who does reading the Bible benefit? Does it benefit God?

There is also the fact that we can build ourselves up so that we can be strong to help others, which applies to various forms of prayer and reading the Bible.

Oooh, you'll grasp on anything even reap a verse out of context to support your position.

Loving oneself is also called selfishness and there's nowhere the scriptures advocates for selfishness. The context of Jesus' words "..love thy neighbor as you love thy self.." is nothing more than "..do to others what you would want them do to you.."

Matt 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matt 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Gal 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.

A personal prayer for the purpose of self loving is not within the scope of the law and the prophets, it is nothing more than selfishness and no one in their right mind wakes up early in the morning to go to a joyful assembly to just love themselves, it'd be good if they stay at home and love themselves from there. This was the main problem in Corinth to which Paul was writing to correct- the reason he started his letter this way:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.

Paul was following up the case for love which he thoroughly expressed in the previous chapter:

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love is always always always about others and never about self. Self edification was indeed what was wrong in Corinth, no doubt about that.

 

[lukeabers]

Oooh, you'll grasp on anything even reap a verse out of context to support your position.

Loving oneself is also called selfishness and there's nowhere the scriptures advocates for selfishness. The context of Jesus' words "..love thy neighbor as you love thy self.." is nothing more than "..do to others what you would want them do to you.."

Matt 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matt 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Gal 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.

A personal prayer for the purpose of self loving is not within the scope of the law and the prophets, it is nothing more than selfishness and no one in their right mind wakes up early in the morning to go to a joyful assembly to just love themselves, it'd be good if they stay at home and love themselves from there. This was the main problem in Corinth to which Paul was writing to correct- the reason he started his letter this way:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.

Paul was following up the case for love which he thoroughly expressed in the previous chapter:

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love is always always always about others and never about self. Self edification was indeed what was wrong in Corinth, no doubt about that.

You are out of your mind. Love your neighbor as your yourself.

The utter nonsense I am seeing posted on this board only confirms what I've known from walking into dead churches...Christendom has fallen and the results...well, read Revelation and find out.

 

[lukeabers]

Oooh, you'll grasp on anything even reap a verse out of context to support your position.

Loving oneself is also called selfishness and there's nowhere the scriptures advocates for selfishness. The context of Jesus' words "..love thy neighbor as you love thy self.." is nothing more than "..do to others what you would want them do to you.."

Matt 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matt 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Gal 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.

A personal prayer for the purpose of self loving is not within the scope of the law and the prophets, it is nothing more than selfishness and no one in their right mind wakes up early in the morning to go to a joyful assembly to just love themselves, it'd be good if they stay at home and love themselves from there. This was the main problem in Corinth to which Paul was writing to correct- the reason he started his letter this way:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.

Paul was following up the case for love which he thoroughly expressed in the previous chapter:

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love is always always always about others and never about self. Self edification was indeed what was wrong in Corinth, no doubt about that.

P.S. Reading and quoting Paul is reserved for those with a strong foundation in the teachings of Christ. Stop reading Paul until you can fully explain the Gospels, thank you.

 

[Noose]

P.S. Reading and quoting Paul is reserved for those with a strong foundation in the teachings of Christ. Stop reading Paul until you can fully explain the Gospels, thank you.

Correction, there's only one Gospel, saying Gospels shows that you don't have a strong foundation to explain anything, let alone correcting others.

Otherwise welcome to the thread.

 

[lukeabers]

Correction, there's only one Gospel, saying Gospels shows that you don't have a strong foundation to explain anything, let alone correcting others.

Otherwise welcome to the thread.

False. There are four Gospels. You can, please, continue speaking and reveal to us everything about you.

 

[Noose]

False. There are four Gospels. You can, please, continue speaking and reveal to us everything about you.

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

So which one of the '4 gospels' did Jesus preach?

 

[lukeabers]

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

So which one of the '4 gospels' did Jesus preach?

Wow...you really are doing this, aren't you? Great

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also known as the four Gospels.

But, go ahead, actor, strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

 

[Noose]

Wow...you really are doing this, aren't you? Great

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also known as the four Gospels.

But, go ahead, actor, strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

The verses i quoted say Jesus preached the Gospel- which of the '4 gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John)' was Jesus preaching in the synagogues?

 

[lukeabers]

The verses i quoted say Jesus preached the Gospel- which of the '4 gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John)' was Jesus preaching in the synagogues?

Keep nitpicking, actor.

Meanwhile, in common-sense land, we are very well aware of how language works and that you are purposefully being obtuse because it serves your purpose. Good thing I have been dealing with people like you for years now.

Back to the real conversation, stop reading/quoting Paul until you can explain Christ's teachings in their entirety. P.S. You are not there yet, and judging by that hypocritical attitude, you better get started now so you might finish up before you die.

 

[Noose]

Keep nitpicking, actor.

Meanwhile, in common-sense land, we are very well aware of how language works and that you are purposefully being obtuse because it serves your purpose. Good thing I have been dealing with people like you for years now.

Back to the real conversation, stop reading/quoting Paul until you can explain Christ's teachings in their entirety. P.S. You are not there yet, and judging by that hypocritical attitude, you better get started now so you might finish up before you die.

Which one of the '4 gospels' did Jesus preach in the synagogues?

 

[lukeabers]

Which one of the '4 gospels' did Jesus preach in the synagogues?

Keep nitpicking, actor.

For the other readers, the word 'gospel' means, good news. The 'Gospel of the Kingdom' that Christ was preaching literally means, the good news of the Kingdom.

Christ rules over all, and this miserable existence created through the despicable marriage of mankind and satan is coming to a close one day. How I long for that day...

Now back to you, actor. Silence your tongue and still your hands. Your poisonous nature is vile and your intent is clear. May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[garee]

I was talking about Deuteronomy 13. However, Deuteronomy 4 also is not talking about protecting the integrity of a single word. It is talking about the message of the Lord as a whole.

Yes commandments Plural .One word at a time singular. If it protects the integrity of one it does so for the whole.

Change the meaning of one word by adding another it can diminish the meaning of the whole. That would be blasphemy.

The word apostle is a common one that men add meaning to .It can destroy the intended use and make the word of God without effect .
I thinks they both make a great warning needed when trying the spirits to see if they are of men or God not seen.

Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you.Deuteronomy 4

 

[Noose]

For the other readers, the word 'gospel' means, good news. The 'Gospel of the Kingdom' that Christ was preaching literally means, the good news of the Kingdom.

Okaaay, i get you.
How then is Matthew good news/ How is Mark good news/ How is Luke good news/ How is John good news- How are these people good news to the world? what did they do?

Back to the real conversation, stop reading/quoting Paul until you can explain Christ's teachings in their entirety. P.S. You are not there yet, and judging by that hypocritical attitude, you better get started now so you might finish up before you die.

I'm sure i can not start stopping reading and quoting Paul; i'm also sure i can not finish stopping before i die, what should i do?

 

[lukeabers]

Okaaay, i get you.
How then is Matthew good news/ How is Mark good news/ How is Luke good news/ How is John good news- How are these people good news to the world? what did they do?



I'm sure i can not start stopping reading and quoting Paul; i'm also sure i can not finish stopping before i die, what should i do?

Keep trying to sidestep the point, actor. And, I know you will continue to live in sin. Your heart is already hardened...bad sign, kid.

"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them." John 12:40

 

[presidente]

Oooh, you'll grasp on anything even reap a verse out of context to support your position.

Loving oneself is also called selfishness and there's nowhere the scriptures advocates for selfishness. The context of Jesus' words "..love thy neighbor as you love thy self.." is nothing more than "..do to others what you would want them do to you.."

Matt 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matt 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Gal 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.

A personal prayer for the purpose of self loving is not within the scope of the law and the prophets, it is nothing more than selfishness and no one in their right mind wakes up early in the morning to go to a joyful assembly to just love themselves, it'd be good if they stay at home and love themselves from there. This was the main problem in Corinth to which Paul was writing to correct- the reason he started his letter this way:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.

Paul was following up the case for love which he thoroughly expressed in the previous chapter:

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love is always always always about others and never about self. Self edification was indeed what was wrong in Corinth, no doubt about that.

You can argue for an extreme and unreasonable interpretation that contradicts other scriptures if you want. There is a normal measure of love for the self that we all have. If we did not love ourselves at all, we would not be required to love our neighbor at all. The way to obey the command to love our neighbors as we love ourselves is not to stop loving ourselves at all. The command implies that we do love ourself. It is automatic.

Ephesians 5:29
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

You do love yourself. You feed yourself, don't you? You think about your own problems, don't you? You pray about things that effect you, don't you?

Paul did write those verses I mentioned. He does say that he who speaks in tongues edifies himself and that he that prophesies edifieth the church, and "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied."

So Paul would like them to engage in the self-edifying activity, but would rather they engage in the activity that edifies others. Edifying the self is good, but edifying others is better. Paul does say for the one who speaks in tongues if there is no interpreter to keep silent in the church and to speak to himself and to God. 'Speak to himself and to God' is a self-edifying activity only, not one that builds up the church because there is no interpreter.

Those scriptures are true. If they do not fit with your ideas and philosophy, you should reconsider your ideas and philosophy.

If edifying others in the assembly is a good thing, why would you not be a part of a church? Would you avoid it just in case you might get edified? Is it to prevent yourself from growing? If there is no place for loving onself at all, then would it be wrong to want to grow?

Should one ensure that one goes to Hell? If you do not love yourself at all, should you want yourself to suffer eternally in Hell? How about going to the doctor. If you got an infected toe, and you do not love yourself, should you just beat the toe with a hammer to increase the pain and damage instead of praying for God to heal it, calling for the elders of the church or other believers to pray, or seeking medical care?

 

[Noose]

Keep trying to sidestep the point, actor. And, I know you will continue to live in sin. Your heart is already hardened...bad sign, kid.

"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them." John 12:40

If i'm blinded and my heart hardened, it is because you failed to explain to me clearly, so you partly to be blamed.
What were you trying to say about languages and tongues?

 

[lukeabers]

You can argue for nonsense if you want. There is a normal measure of love for the self that we all have. If we did not love ourselves at all, we would not be required to love our neighbor at all. The way to obey the command to love our neighbors as we love ourselves is not to stop loving ourselves at all.

Ephesians 5:29

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:


Paul did write those verses I mentioned. He does say that he who speaks in tongues edifies himself and that he that prophesies edifieth the church, and "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied."

So Paul would like them to engage in the self-edifying activity, but would rather they engage in the activity that edifies others. Edifying the self is good, but edifying others is better. Paul does say for the one who speaks in tongues if there is no interpreter to keep silent in the church and to speak to himself and to God. 'Speak to himself and to God' is a self-edifying activity only, not one that builds up the church because there is no interpreter.

Those scriptures are true. If they do not fit with your ideas and philosophy, you should reconsider your ideas and philosophy.

If edifying others in the assembly is a good thing, why would you not be a part of a church? Would you avoid it just in case you might get edified? Is it to prevent yourself from growing? If there is no place for loving onself at all, then would it be wrong to want to grow?

Should one ensure that one goes to Hell? If you do not love yourself at all, should you want yourself to suffer eternally in Hell? How about going to the doctor. If you got an infected toe, and you do not love yourself, should you just beat the toe with a hammer to increase the pain and damage instead of praying for God to heal it, calling for the elders of the church or other believers to pray, or seeking medical care?

You can keep arguing with the swine all you want, but eventually they will trample you underfoot...

Or, you could respond to a friend once in awhile, and start realizing the state the world is actually in instead of being distracted by workers of iniquity. I mean, seriously, how much time do you spend on here being spun in circles??

 

[Noose]

You can argue for an extreme and unreasonable interpretation that contradicts other scriptures if you want. There is a normal measure of love for the self that we all have. If we did not love ourselves at all, we would not be required to love our neighbor at all. The way to obey the command to love our neighbors as we love ourselves is not to stop loving ourselves at all. The command implies that we do love ourself. It is automatic.

Ephesians 5:29
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

You do love yourself. You feed yourself, don't you? You think about your own problems, don't you? You pray about things that effect you, don't you?

Paul did write those verses I mentioned. He does say that he who speaks in tongues edifies himself and that he that prophesies edifieth the church, and "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied."

So Paul would like them to engage in the self-edifying activity, but would rather they engage in the activity that edifies others. Edifying the self is good, but edifying others is better. Paul does say for the one who speaks in tongues if there is no interpreter to keep silent in the church and to speak to himself and to God. 'Speak to himself and to God' is a self-edifying activity only, not one that builds up the church because there is no interpreter.

Those scriptures are true. If they do not fit with your ideas and philosophy, you should reconsider your ideas and philosophy.

If edifying others in the assembly is a good thing, why would you not be a part of a church? Would you avoid it just in case you might get edified? Is it to prevent yourself from growing? If there is no place for loving onself at all, then would it be wrong to want to grow?

Should one ensure that one goes to Hell? If you do not love yourself at all, should you want yourself to suffer eternally in Hell? How about going to the doctor. If you got an infected toe, and you do not love yourself, should you just beat the toe with a hammer to increase the pain and damage instead of praying for God to heal it, calling for the elders of the church or other believers to pray, or seeking medical care?

You made me spill my coffee.

Feeding myself/ going to the doctor are not within the limits of loving oneself, i do those because i seek to survive.

Going to the doctor is not the same as going to the assembly, you are going to pay for services so that your toe can be fixed. In an assembly, we go for the sake of others, we build them as they build us through what the Lord hath given each one of us.

The verse you quoted is self defeating.

Ephesians 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church.

Taking another verse out of context. If every man loves themselves, then why should anyone pray in tongues? It would only make sense that every man hates themselves and to undo that they need to love themselves by praying in tongues for self edification.

And you are also wrong in every level of your argument. If tongues must be translated so that others are edified, it means there's a real connection between edification and understanding. So there is no such thing as self edification with no understanding either.

 

[lukeabers]

If i'm blinded and my heart hardened, it is because you failed to explain to me clearly, so you partly to be blamed.
What were you trying to say about languages and tongues?

I am not to blame for your inability to follow God. And, I am certainly not God and cannot harden your heart, genius.

 

[Sketch]

I agree in part with that. The issue is clear those in the video are in error. And using what is a gift of God out of order. As many do. These gross examples of abuse do not dismiss the empowring of the Holy Spirit, but reaffirms that man yet gain as we see in the word of God will misuse the gifts God has intrusted man with.

The video shows a couple guys enjoying the manifestation of tongues.
Celebrating their freedom from the yoke and curse of Cessationism.
Proving it is false with their actions. It's pretty funny and was entertaining to anyone with a sense of humor.

I find it interesting that those who do not speak in tongues take 1 Corinthians 12-14 as law.
The Apostle ends the passage by saying "... do not forbid speaking in tongues." vs 39
Those with experiential ignorance about tongues want to tell us what it is and what the "rules" are.
But end up forbidding what the Apostle was encouraging. Thus creating bondage where there is supposed to be freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.