I have a question concerning spirit baptism. There are different theories and one sais that when you accept Jesus as your savior god gives you his spirit so that you receive god's power in your life.
John 1:[SUP]
12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name: [SUP]
13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
That part is true, but not the next part.
This would be often connected with tongue speech as a sign for the spirit baptism.
Tongues serves as a sign to unbelievers. Tongues are not to serve as a sign to believers which is why not every believer in having received the Holy Spirit at their salvation will speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]
20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. [SUP]
21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. [SUP]
22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
But I thought that every Christian gets the holy spirit when he sais yes to Jesus
That is true:
Ephesians 1:[SUP]
12 [/SUP]That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]
14 [/SUP]Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]
2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report........[SUP]
6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Galatians 3:[SUP]
14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.....[SUP]
26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]
27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]
28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]
29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
and not everyone can speak in tongues.
That is true also.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]
27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. [SUP]
28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. [SUP]
29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? [SUP]
30 [/SUP]Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? [SUP]
31 [/SUP]But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Paul was basically saying by that question that obviously, not every believer will speak in tongues.
Then an extra spirit baptism isn't necessary.
Right. Because there is only one baptism with the Holy Spirit which testifies only one hope of our calling.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]
4 [/SUP]There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [SUP]
5 [/SUP]One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [SUP]
6 [/SUP]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
That one baptism with the Spirit is the same thing as saying one drink of that One Spirit that all believers had at their salvation.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]
13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I don't know what's right because different churches say different things. Can you help me?
May the Lord Jesus Christ help you to dicern even more by knowing that when they do preach to receive another Jesus or another Holy Spirit when they had already received Him, that supernatuarl phenomeon and that teaching is not of Him.
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [SUP]
2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [SUP]
3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [SUP]
4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
We had all received the promise of the Spirit by preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified, and yet now some errant believers are preaching the Holy Spirit & putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit as if one can receive Him again after a sign of tongues. This is a departure from the faith in Jesus Christ of which God will permit a strong delusion to occur for believing that lie because those that seek after familiar spirits to receive by a sign of tongues that is just babbling nonsense can also be found in wizardry.
Isaiah 8:[SUP]
19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [SUP]
2 [/SUP]
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Many errant believers will testify that He dwells within them but yet still preach as if one can receive Him again & again & again after a sign, misleading many believers into becoming an adulterous generation that seeks after a sign.
Paul addresses this error and reproved it by reminding them how they had received the promise of the Spirit at their salvation.
2 Thessalonians 2: [SUP]
9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [SUP]
10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]
11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]
12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning
chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
The damnation is not referring to the loss of salvation, but the loss of the birthright of attending the Marriage Supper when the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride of Christ as conveyed earlier in that warning anther letter in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4.
If one reads on to 2 Thessalonians 3rd chapter, Paul testify of those that are going astray and not after the tradition taught of us but are disorderly, that we are to admonish these wicked and unreasonable men by withdrawing from them, but not to treat them as the enemy, but to admonish them as a brother.
2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: [SUP]
2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. [SUP]
3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. [SUP]
4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. [SUP]
5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. [SUP]
6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. [SUP]
7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;..........[SUP]
14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
This is indicative that God will see them that way too even if they do not repent.
But as we are to withdraw, and as a church, they are to excommunicate unless they repent ( see 1 Corinthians 5th chapter) , so will God do to the "foolish virgins" at the pre tribulational rapture when God judges His House. Going out to the market to be filled when the prudent ones are filled, is indicative of those keeping the faith as opposed to those departing from that faith in Jesus Christ that they are filled, sealed, and thus saved when they had first came to & believed in Jesus Christ so that from that point on, we are being witnesses of the Son and that one calling by Whom we are reconciled to God the Father by... through the Bridegroom, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
That is how one is His disciple, by testifying of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son, and by Him the glory of God the Father. When believers deviate from that testimony and purpose, then they are no longer being His disciple, but being a disciple of something else in His name which is not of Him as they seek the glory of that moment or movement & not after Jesus Christ, our first love.
