Spirit - Water - Creation

[Wansvic]

John was sent as a forerunner to Christ to prepare the people for the message that Jesus would bring. John's baptism saved no one. John declared as much and it is recorded in John 1:15-34.

Religious folks do not like the message of Christ. Religious folks do not like to have their self righteousness exposed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

John introduced water baptism for the remission of sin that would later require the use of Jesus' name.
After Jesus' death, burial and resurrection Paul instructed believers of the need to be re-baptized in Jesus name.
Acts 19:2-5
"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (We know this is water baptism because Paul goes on to lay hands upon the people and they were filled with the Holy Ghost)

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

 

[Wansvic]

Matthew 3:14-15
John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented.

My point is Jesus said it was to be done to fulfil all righteousness. So yes, it was fitting that it was to be done.

 

[notuptome]

John introduced water baptism for the remission of sin that would later require the use of Jesus' name.
After Jesus' death, burial and resurrection Paul instructed believers of the need to be re-baptized in Jesus name.
Acts 19:2-5
"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (We know this is water baptism because Paul goes on to lay hands upon the people and they were filled with the Holy Ghost)

Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Baloney. Judaism had many ritual washing that were used to prepare to worship in the temple. The High Priest could not enter the temple until he had washed. Baptism as we know it today was not a new invention just a continuation of Jewish ceremonial worship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

God chose to begin His spectacular creation in the presence of Himself (Spirit) and water---Significant? Most definitely! Everything recorded in God’s Word is intended to impart understanding. Let’s take a trip back to creation day and see if we can find possible foreshadows regarding the salvation components:

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Genesis 1:1-3
“And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:20-21

It is no accident that God brought His first creation from the depths of water. Also interesting is the fact that those who lead people unto God are called “fishers of men.” (Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17) After hearing the gospel message, obedient “fishers” draw men up out of water, during water baptism.

Notice the parallel between the birth of the world and the method God chose for mankind’s spiritual re-birth. According to John 3:3 “...unless a man is reborn he can not SEE the kingdom.” One cannot see unless light is present. How does light come? Light comes in the presence of the Spirit of God and water. For in creation, the Spirit of God moved upon water and said “Let there be light.” Prior to our water baptism we are in darkness. Light shatters the shroud of darkness as we break forth from the spiritual womb of water baptism and illumination increases when the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our human body. We know these two ingredients, water and spirit, are essential for salvation. Jesus expresses this principle in John 3:5:

“...unless a man is born of water and Spirit he can not ENTER into the kingdom of heaven.”

Natural birth - God created the natural birth wherein one bursts forth from the waters of the mother's womb and draws in surrounding air.
Spiritual re-birth - includes breaking the surface of baptismal water and receiving the infiltration of the Holy Spirit.

loving the descriptive and beautiful way you wrote this

I could 'see' it all

people just don't get it

reject the Holy Spirit and you never will. I begin to think that those who do, are living under law.

why do I think this? because they would rather tell you and those who believe in the Holy Spirit as Jesus with us now, they you are wrong. there are no more gifts. no more signs. no more mystery...we have the perfect with us now...even though we argue about it all day long

well praise our Savior! I think those that pray in the spirit keep the devil at bay while the rest of the world benefits with whatever time God allows

finally said it. no, God did not tell me this. I see it day after day even in this forum. no grateful words, just complaining and divisiveness every time anyone even mentions the Spirit of God.

what is that? where are the hearts of people? not in tune with the Living God and not in tune with other believers

tell me I am full of it, but I can just about ALWAYS ALWAYS tell when someone is Spirit filled. we share our God in ways that those who will not believe will never know

let God bless those who are His and lift His holy name on high! ALWAYS!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

 

[Wansvic]

tell me I am full of it, but I can just about ALWAYS ALWAYS tell when someone is Spirit filled. we share our God in ways that those who will not believe will never know

let God bless those who are His and lift His holy name on high! ALWAYS!

Amen! There is nothing better than having the Spirit of God to lead, guide and direct. May God continue to bless you.

 

[garee]

so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word ​

(Ephesians 5:26) ​

there's a consistency here

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.​

(John 15:3) ​

He baptized no one in H2O, but He washed their feet

Good example. I would offer the gospel hid in a parable . The washing and renewing work of the Spirit cleansing us daily .

Washing feet represents hearing the gospel and believing God, as the work of God does the first work by we can believe Him not seen

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:29

We are to wash each others feet as a sign we have heard the commandment and believed our loving father .

How beautiful are the words the feet carry. They are moved or sent with the gospel of Christ, they preach Christ not seen, not their own selves they are what need cleaning .

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:15

Interestingly Jesus begins the demonstration telling them; it is a parable and the spiritual understanding is hid. But later by example He would reveal the mystery to them ( If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me). As always He must do the first works, our first experience of His love as it first worked in us ...as that which we return to when we hear His call to repent. He promises He will continue till to work in us with us to the end (Philipian1:6). He is our living Hope that rises above all human hope.

I would think it was a great parable I think used to move His children believers to unity. That we would love one another as Jesus did when he washed Peters feet. Remembering we do not wrestle against flesh and blood Feet that are used to preach the good news can bring a healing to a brother or sister.

Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean. So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.7-15

 

[garee]

Where there is water there is life - no water no life

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Where there is no spirit there is no spirit life. . Water is not spirit. It is used to represent the "manner of Spirit" that makes up the doctrines of God. that come from above(heaven) and are bound here under the Sun (earth)

Deuteronomy 32 King James Version (KJV)Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

When the word as is used in denotes a parable is in view. You can literalize if you chose but then I would wonder like that of some would have others believe that which is loosed from earth is bond in heaven . (Catholicism in a nut shell) The Jew followed the same turning things upside down as to the foundation of their belief law of men, as sign gifts . Making the word of God with no effect.

There are many examples as the manner of spirit used to represent the work of the holy Spirit, moving, falling water is one .Dew is used through the bible to show God bringing his doctrine as a parable in the picture .

When he brought the food that revealed to them their murmuring against God seeing they longed for the familiarity of slaves having better food . Better food in jail then here mentality .

The Holy Spirit brought dew to set the foundation of His doctrine. Then the bread of unfamiliarity, manna ( which means what is it.)

It seems almost like he was mocking them by saying; you want familiarity . I will give you dried up sourdough. But to teach he is a God of mercy it was as sweet as honey, another metaphor that represent the sweet fellowship of His Spirit

 

[Wansvic]

Baloney. Judaism had many ritual washing that were used to prepare to worship in the temple. The High Priest could not enter the temple until he had washed. Baptism as we know it today was not a new invention just a continuation of Jewish ceremonial worship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

John's introduction of the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins had nothing to do with the OT law. It was an introduction to what would later be done in Jesus' name after His death, burial and resurrection.

John's ministry as recorded in Luke:
Luke 3:3-7
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

I recommend you read the Book of Luke it includes much of John the Baptist's story.

 

[notuptome]

John's introduction of the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins had nothing to do with the OT law. It was an introduction to what would later be done in Jesus' name after His death, burial and resurrection.

John's ministry as recorded in Luke:
Luke 3:3-7
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

I recommend you read the Book of Luke it includes much of John the Baptist's story.

You must receive the atonement of Jesus blood to have remission of your sin. Atonenent by the blood and righteousness imputed by the grace of God.

Johns baptism had everything to do with the OT law.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Magenta]

so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word ​

(Ephesians 5:26) ​

there's a consistency here

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.​

(John 15:3) ​

He baptized no one in H2O, but He washed their feet

Ezekiel 43:2
And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory.

Revelation 1:15
His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

Revelation 14:2
And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.

Revelation 19:6
And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!

 

[Waggles]

Land comes forth from water
9 And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:

And our planet Earth is still the only living planet with an abundance of water for life ...

 

[Waggles]

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hebrews 6:

 

[Waggles]

22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in AEnon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold,
the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
John 3:

 

[Waggles]

The house church (2nd Century: 101-200AD) uncovered in Duras Europos, Syria
has a room given to water baptisms of new converts ...

Baptisms were significant enough to embellish cost on a rather grand bathtub structure and
wall decorations.

 

[Waggles]

Water baptism by full immersion has always been NT gospel doctrine and tradition
explore the ancient churches and Roman towns of North Africa, Ethiopia, Italy and Greece to Syria
and you will discover numerous baptism pools and baths: many with steps.


This beautiful baptism pool comes from the later period when Constantine had "Christianized"
the Roman Empire - located in Tunisia.

 

[Wansvic]

You must receive the atonement of Jesus blood to have remission of your sin. Atonenent by the blood and righteousness imputed by the grace of God.

Johns baptism had everything to do with the OT law.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Without the sacrifice of Jesus nothing else would matter!
Belief in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection must take place first. Afterward we are commanded to be obedient to specific instructions. The Word quoted from Luke 3:3-7 speaks for itself as to the necessity of water baptism that then continued to be followed by the NT church.

 

[Lafftur]

God chose to begin His spectacular creation in the presence of Himself (Spirit) and water---Significant? Most definitely! Everything recorded in God’s Word is intended to impart understanding. Let’s take a trip back to creation day and see if we can find possible foreshadows regarding the salvation components:

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Genesis 1:1-3
“And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:20-21

It is no accident that God brought His first creation from the depths of water. Also interesting is the fact that those who lead people unto God are called “fishers of men.” (Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17) After hearing the gospel message, obedient “fishers” draw men up out of water, during water baptism.

Notice the parallel between the birth of the world and the method God chose for mankind’s spiritual re-birth. According to John 3:3 “...unless a man is reborn he can not SEE the kingdom.” One cannot see unless light is present. How does light come? Light comes in the presence of the Spirit of God and water. For in creation, the Spirit of God moved upon water and said “Let there be light.” Prior to our water baptism we are in darkness. Light shatters the shroud of darkness as we break forth from the spiritual womb of water baptism and illumination increases when the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our human body. We know these two ingredients, water and spirit, are essential for salvation. Jesus expresses this principle in John 3:5:

“...unless a man is born of water and Spirit he can not ENTER into the kingdom of heaven.”

Natural birth - God created the natural birth wherein one bursts forth from the waters of the mother's womb and draws in surrounding air.
Spiritual re-birth - includes breaking the surface of baptismal water and receiving the infiltration of the Holy Spirit.

Hello Wansvic,

Beautiful insight, thank you for sharing! I love all the intricacies of God and what He is doing.....

Kinda like what He showed you - Spirit - Water - Creation, He showed me that there is a pattern in Days of Creation which is Light - Water - Life. He repeats it twice:

Light - Day 1 - God says, Let there be Light.
Water - Day 2 - God separates the waters to cause dry land to appear.
Life - Day 3 - Plants and all vegetation appears on the dry land.

Light - Day 4 - Sun, Moon and Stars
Water - Day 5 - Fish and Birds are created to live in the waters
Life - Day 6 - All animal and human life are created to live on the land.

Rest - Day 7 - God finished. He repeated Himself twice and was done.

We know Yeshua/Jesus is the Light of the world that the Father sent. After Yeshua/Jesus returned to heaven, the Father sent the Holy Spirit as Living Water poured out on all flesh.

Those that can receive God's Light and God's Water, can and will receive God's Life. Even creating us new, God still uses the same pattern - Light, Water, Life.

Perhaps during the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the Earth, He will repeat the pattern somehow and finish so that after the Great White Throne of Judgment, we can all rest..... and be in awe of what God has done!

 

[Waggles]

The River of Life
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light:
and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 22:

 

[Wansvic]

Hello Wansvic,

Beautiful insight, thank you for sharing! I love all the intricacies of God and what He is doing.....

Kinda like what He showed you - Spirit - Water - Creation, He showed me that there is a pattern in Days of Creation which is Light - Water - Life. He repeats it twice:

Light - Day 1 - God says, Let there be Light.
Water - Day 2 - God separates the waters to cause dry land to appear.
Life - Day 3 - Plants and all vegetation appears on the dry land.

Light - Day 4 - Sun, Moon and Stars
Water - Day 5 - Fish and Birds are created to live in the waters
Life - Day 6 - All animal and human life are created to live on the land.

Rest - Day 7 - God finished. He repeated Himself twice and was done.

We know Yeshua/Jesus is the Light of the world that the Father sent. After Yeshua/Jesus returned to heaven, the Father sent the Holy Spirit as Living Water poured out on all flesh.

Those that can receive God's Light and God's Water, can and will receive God's Life. Even creating us new, God still uses the same pattern - Light, Water, Life.

Perhaps during the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the Earth, He will repeat the pattern somehow and finish so that after the Great White Throne of Judgment, we can all rest..... and be in awe of what God has done!

Thank you for sharing what God revealed to you; it is amazing. God is so very wonderful. I never tire of hearing the ways God confirms His truth.
I would like to copy and share this if you don't mind.