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Wansvic

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So you wont answer the questions then?
Why not? Why the diversion?
Yes or no.
I have asked you this so many times and you never answer.
What you frightened off.
If you want to save people then answer.
I'm not asking you to take my word for it. The answer I gave is plain, it comes directly from the bible. Everyone has to be baptized in Jesus' name in order to have their sins remitted. (Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43, 47-48, 19:1-7, 22:16; 1 Cor 1:13-15, Col 2:9-12, ) If not the stain of sin remains. Jesus was crucified for all, yet not all will take hold of what He died to provide.
 

Wansvic

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#42
According to you I’m going to hell.
I wasn’t baptised the name of Jesus only
Notice what the Apostle Paul did when he came across men who had not been baptized in the name of Jesus; he re-baptized them. (Acts 19:1-7) The account reveals the 12 men readily obeyed when confronted with the truth. I myself was baptized in the titles and was rebaptized years later. When presented with the truth revealed in God's word, obedience is always the right thing to do. May God Bless.
 

BillG

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Notice what the Apostle Paul did when he came across men who had not been baptized in the name of Jesus; he re-baptized them. (Acts 19:1-7) The account reveals the 12 men readily obeyed when confronted with the truth. I myself was baptized in the titles and was rebaptized years later. When presented with the truth revealed in God's word, obedience is always the right thing to do. May God Bless.
Who told them to baptise them in the name of Jesus only?

If you say Jesus then what he said in Matthew is not true and it should be removed.
 

Wansvic

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#45
Who told them to baptise them in the name of Jesus only?

If you say Jesus then what he said in Matthew is not true and it should be removed.
It was Jesus who told them how to baptize. Jesus actually said to baptize in a singular name. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles, not names.
 

Wansvic

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#46
he does think it should be removed. he doesn't like it.
There is no need to remove Matthew 28:19. Jesus told disciples to baptize in a singular name. And they obeyed by administering baptism in the name of Jesus as revealed throughout scripture.

Note: Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles, not names.
 

BillG

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It was Jesus who told them how to baptize. Jesus actually said to baptize in a singular name. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles, not names.
Is there a verse where Jesus told them to baptise in his name only and not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
 

Wansvic

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Is there a verse where Jesus told them to baptise in his name only and not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
The answer to your question is Matthew 28:19.

The apostles administered baptism in one name only; the name of Jesus. Why? "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole....

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:10-12
 

BillG

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Where in Matthew does Jesus say in his name only?
It does not
 

Wansvic

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Where in Matthew does Jesus say in his name only?
It does not
Yes it does. You're just not seeing it. I suggest you pray about it.

Jesus said to baptize in a name. This is confirmed by His apostles in all of the detailed accounts of water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 8:12, 16, 10:43, 47-48, 19:6, 22:16)
 

BillG

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Yes it does. You're just not seeing it. I suggest you pray about it.

Jesus said to baptize in a name. This is confirmed by His apostles in all of the detailed accounts of water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 8:12, 16, 10:43, 47-48, 19:6, 22:16)
I suggest you point it out to me, if you can that is.

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Where is it?
 

Wansvic

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#53
but you want to change it, right?
remove several words ;)
No. As revealed by the obedience of Jesus' apostles the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Jesus. See Colossians 2:9, "In Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead..." (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) Also, there is no other NAME under Heaven whereby (by which) we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
 

Wansvic

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I suggest you point it out to me, if you can that is.

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Where is it?
I leave you with these words to ponder.

It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Tim 2:11-16

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

The sum of God's word is truth. (Psalm 119:160)
 

BillG

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I leave you with these words to ponder.

It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Tim 2:11-16

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

The sum of God's word is truth. (Psalm 119:160)
So you can’t see it either in Matthew
 

Wansvic

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#58
First Ecumenism and then Interfaithism. Sounds like One World Religious...

POPE FRANCIS TO CHRISTIANS; OUR COMMON BAPTISM UNITES US
Vatican City, Jan 25, 2018 / 10:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- At an ecumenical Vespers service Thursday, Pope Francis told members of several Christian communities that the grace of Baptism creates a unity in the family of God.

Even when differences separate us, we can recognize that we have the same Baptism, and we belong “to the same family of brothers and sisters loved by the one Father,” the Pope said Jan. 25.
“This is our experience as believers. As we grow in spiritual life, we increasingly understand that grace reaches us together with others and is to be shared with others. So, when I raise my thanksgiving to God for what he has done in me, I find I do not sing alone, because other brothers and sisters have my same song of praise.”.

Vatican Council II was conducted by the Roman Catholic Church from 1962-1965 during which the church launched an initiative to reunite Christianity. They invited many Protestant leaders to attend as the Church set out to renew itself. Dialogue was encouraged between Catholicism and the different Protestant denominations.

Unity of the Spirit and Our Common Baptism is Enough
Francis explains to Protestants their shared triune baptism and openness to the Holy Spirit are enough to bring Catholics and Protestants together.

Francis loves to say doctrine is not important. He has stated repeatedly there are so many doctrines we will never agree on. “He contends, God will work all the doctrines out when we get upstairs.”
 

BillG

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First Ecumenism and then Interfaithism. Sounds like One World Religious...

POPE FRANCIS TO CHRISTIANS; OUR COMMON BAPTISM UNITES US
Vatican City, Jan 25, 2018 / 10:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- At an ecumenical Vespers service Thursday, Pope Francis told members of several Christian communities that the grace of Baptism creates a unity in the family of God.

Even when differences separate us, we can recognize that we have the same Baptism, and we belong “to the same family of brothers and sisters loved by the one Father,” the Pope said Jan. 25.
“This is our experience as believers. As we grow in spiritual life, we increasingly understand that grace reaches us together with others and is to be shared with others. So, when I raise my thanksgiving to God for what he has done in me, I find I do not sing alone, because other brothers and sisters have my same song of praise.”.

Vatican Council II was conducted by the Roman Catholic Church from 1962-1965 during which the church launched an initiative to reunite Christianity. They invited many Protestant leaders to attend as the Church set out to renew itself. Dialogue was encouraged between Catholicism and the different Protestant denominations.

Unity of the Spirit and Our Common Baptism is Enough
Francis explains to Protestants their shared triune baptism and openness to the Holy Spirit are enough to bring Catholics and Protestants together.

Francis loves to say doctrine is not important. He has stated repeatedly there are so many doctrines we will never agree on. “He contends, God will work all the doctrines out when we get upstairs.”
All doctrine is important and there ar many doctrines that are not agreed on and some probably are bordering on heresy along with adding a millstone around a person's neck.

A simple example is having to pray in tongues in order to saved, doing works to be saved and so on.
Is such teaching tested through the fire yet still saved?

We are saved by grace through faith and nothing else.

John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

Ephesians 3:1-2

The Mystery Revealed
1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Romans 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Acts 10:43
43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Now if we are saying we are saved as a result of baptism you need to add all th other crap that is taught.

As per the above we saved when we repent of our unbelief in Jesus revealed by the Holy Spirit who indwells in us.

As a result of this we are conformed into the image of Jesus.