Stammering lips or a newly created heart ?
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Garee, we realize you do not believe anyone today speaks in "tongues" as described in the Bible. We also see you have been hurt by someone trying to get you to see things their way. That has resulted in this vendetta you have taken on to discredit the whole practice. Wake up, it's not working. You haven't and will not change anyone's mind with your personal hate of the practice. You are so far down the slippery slope try to turn scripture in your favor you remain blind to the real interpretations. Hate only hates the hater. We will be praying for you brother, that it doesn't consume you. 
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The apostle Paul -- by divine inspiration -- applied Isaiah's prophecy to unbelieving Jews after the first coming of Christ, and showed us the real reason for the gift of tongues (languages).
What that prophecy said is that even though God would give the sign gift of tongues to show Israel that the Gospel was from God, they would not believe altogether. So even after thousands of Jews did believe, the general response of Israel to the Gospel was negative.
Once again, we see that the gift of tongues was just one of the spiritual gifts, but it was primarily for unbelieving Jews at that time (during the Apostolic Age). But tongues are being misused today and are being called "prayer language" even though that was never the reason for tongues.
What that prophecy said is that even though God would give the sign gift of tongues to show Israel that the Gospel was from God, they would not believe altogether. So even after thousands of Jews did believe, the general response of Israel to the Gospel was negative.
Once again, we see that the gift of tongues was just one of the spiritual gifts, but it was primarily for unbelieving Jews at that time (during the Apostolic Age). But tongues are being misused today and are being called "prayer language" even though that was never the reason for tongues.
I am glad you got this all worked out to your satisfaction. God give us a prayer language because He does not want to reveal everything to us. Knowing every aspect of our future would be counter productive to our faith walk. I pray way more in tongues than I do with my natural voice and understanding. My flesh gets in the way of praying God's will in my life.
1 Cor. 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful." So, Paul was warning to be careful while doing this in public lest they not understand. In mixed company this should only be practiced in our prayer closets.
1 Cor. 14:18, 19 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."
Don't keep mocking what you don't understand.
1 Cor. 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful." So, Paul was warning to be careful while doing this in public lest they not understand. In mixed company this should only be practiced in our prayer closets.
1 Cor. 14:18, 19 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."
Don't keep mocking what you don't understand.
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Garee, we realize you do not believe anyone today speaks in "tongues" as described in the Bible. We also see you have been hurt by someone trying to get you to see things their way. That has resulted in this vendetta you have taken on to discredit the whole practice. Wake up, it's not working. You haven't and will not change anyone's mind with your personal hate of the practice. You are so far down the slippery slope try to turn scripture in your favor you remain blind to the real interpretations. Hate only hates the hater. We will be praying for you brother, that it doesn't consume you.
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Hi thanks for the reply.
The sign I would think would have to be defined as to what its function is? I recommend we look to the foundation of the doctrine(Isaiah 28 ) , if one has not already. I would offer the scriptures defines the sign of multiple langue's or tongues of many nations. as a outward sign against a rebellions or faithless unbelieving Jew or any unbeliever of any nation... and not a gift..
The doctrine is to fold as prophecy men hear God and as a unseen sign in their heart believe God...…. as a outward sign using Jewish flesh it confirms unbelief
The sign that a people did hear the word of God is again , they believe God not seen having that work of God in their new heart. A unseen sign that reveals a person did receive the faith of Christ in order for us to believe in our living God . The new faith we have in Him, of Him
I would offer the outward sign is a curse. A curse that refuses to hear the blessing that could come if they did believe God through His eternal word..
Those Jews that had no faith that comes as it is written they refused to hear God .(Jeremiah 44:16-17) This is when the faithless Jew were mocking the word of God. They were basically calling Jerimiah a Bible Thumper or Religious Fanatic. Rather than believing the word of God they responded with ; "We will do what so ever our own mouths, as oral traditions of men declare. This is a false belief system attempting to make the written tradition of Christ to no effect.
That I would offer is how the tongues/languages law came about in Isaiah 28. The law that is emphasized again in 1 Corinthians 14 :21-22 They mocked God no different then a Atheist today of any nation .When God who came to fulfill the promise of Joel signaling the last days the time of reformation . the time of breaking down the walls in the gentiles court and woman's court restoking them from being part in of the ceremonies No longer speaking to the Hebrew language alone .It was a glorious time for the believer but a time of tribulation for the Jew . The time he would come pour out His Spirit on the flesh of all the nations .Thereafter no longer bringing prophesying through men and boys alone... the new order of Priesthood after the manner of Melchedik had come
Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV)1 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And at the same time ( Acts 2) he brought the outward sign of the flesh of a unbelieving Jew against those who refuse to believe God .Those Hebrews who mocked God believed because they were Hebrew they were protected from the law of God as if it designed for the gentiles. They followed a law of men called the "law of the fathers".
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.Isiaah 28 :11-12
The law as it is written is reiterated in 1 Corinthians 14.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore "tongues" are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-21
Tongues as a outward sign is not a sign I would desire to wear as a gift but clearly is identified as a curse. How it became a sign to confirm a person is a believer as a filling of the Spirit just like the falling back and slain in the spirit is a mystery
Above. They that not hear God are the ones that refuse to believe prophecy .Its simply a sign again of all unbelievers, Jew or Gentile .God is no respecter of person
The sign I would think would have to be defined as to what its function is? I recommend we look to the foundation of the doctrine(Isaiah 28 ) , if one has not already. I would offer the scriptures defines the sign of multiple langue's or tongues of many nations. as a outward sign against a rebellions or faithless unbelieving Jew or any unbeliever of any nation... and not a gift..
The doctrine is to fold as prophecy men hear God and as a unseen sign in their heart believe God...…. as a outward sign using Jewish flesh it confirms unbelief
The sign that a people did hear the word of God is again , they believe God not seen having that work of God in their new heart. A unseen sign that reveals a person did receive the faith of Christ in order for us to believe in our living God . The new faith we have in Him, of Him
I would offer the outward sign is a curse. A curse that refuses to hear the blessing that could come if they did believe God through His eternal word..
Those Jews that had no faith that comes as it is written they refused to hear God .(Jeremiah 44:16-17) This is when the faithless Jew were mocking the word of God. They were basically calling Jerimiah a Bible Thumper or Religious Fanatic. Rather than believing the word of God they responded with ; "We will do what so ever our own mouths, as oral traditions of men declare. This is a false belief system attempting to make the written tradition of Christ to no effect.
That I would offer is how the tongues/languages law came about in Isaiah 28. The law that is emphasized again in 1 Corinthians 14 :21-22 They mocked God no different then a Atheist today of any nation .When God who came to fulfill the promise of Joel signaling the last days the time of reformation . the time of breaking down the walls in the gentiles court and woman's court restoking them from being part in of the ceremonies No longer speaking to the Hebrew language alone .It was a glorious time for the believer but a time of tribulation for the Jew . The time he would come pour out His Spirit on the flesh of all the nations .Thereafter no longer bringing prophesying through men and boys alone... the new order of Priesthood after the manner of Melchedik had come
Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV)1 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And at the same time ( Acts 2) he brought the outward sign of the flesh of a unbelieving Jew against those who refuse to believe God .Those Hebrews who mocked God believed because they were Hebrew they were protected from the law of God as if it designed for the gentiles. They followed a law of men called the "law of the fathers".
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.Isiaah 28 :11-12
The law as it is written is reiterated in 1 Corinthians 14.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore "tongues" are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-21
Tongues as a outward sign is not a sign I would desire to wear as a gift but clearly is identified as a curse. How it became a sign to confirm a person is a believer as a filling of the Spirit just like the falling back and slain in the spirit is a mystery
Above. They that not hear God are the ones that refuse to believe prophecy .Its simply a sign again of all unbelievers, Jew or Gentile .God is no respecter of person
I am consumed with prophecy. You are obsessed with signs as if they were the same as prophecy.
Have you looked at the foundation of the doctrine in the Old testament and offered what you think it is saying?
If you would look to the law you would see the opposite . Its those who seek after sign that who are consumed in unbelief . It is what the sign confirms "no faith" in God, that alone comes from the prophecy of God. Prophecy does not come from obserib ving signs prophecy comes from hearing God as he works in a person heart.
Signs outward are for those who do not believe prophecy no faith. hearing prophecy and therefore also believing God as a unseen sign .
No sign gifts . we have the gi ft of walking by faith (the unseen)
Signs demonstrate a curse confirming they do not believe prophecy the word of God
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
(1)Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe.
(2) Wherefore tongues are for a sign, to them that believe.
The question is to you two choices 1 or 2?
Have you looked at the foundation of the doctrine in the Old testament and offered what you think it is saying?
If you would look to the law you would see the opposite . Its those who seek after sign that who are consumed in unbelief . It is what the sign confirms "no faith" in God, that alone comes from the prophecy of God. Prophecy does not come from obserib ving signs prophecy comes from hearing God as he works in a person heart.
Signs outward are for those who do not believe prophecy no faith. hearing prophecy and therefore also believing God as a unseen sign .
No sign gifts . we have the gi ft of walking by faith (the unseen)
Signs demonstrate a curse confirming they do not believe prophecy the word of God
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe 1 Corinthians 14:21-22
(1)Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe.
(2) Wherefore tongues are for a sign, to them that believe.
The question is to you two choices 1 or 2?
Garee, we realize you do not believe anyone today speaks in "tongues" as described in the Bible. We also see you have been hurt by someone trying to get you to see things their way. That has resulted in this vendetta you have taken on to discredit the whole practice. Wake up, it's not working. You haven't and will not change anyone's mind with your personal hate of the practice. You are so far down the slippery slope try to turn scripture in your favor you remain blind to the real interpretations. Hate only hates the hater. We will be praying for you brother, that it doesn't consume you.
The new practice today of the sign that confirms those who hate prophecy but rather chase after the oral traditions of men coming from those who turn things up side down in the end of the matter turning curses into blessing . Making the word of God to no effect by this oral tradition of men as if the Potter had no understanding
Isaiah 29:16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
I am not discrediting the whole practice that is not longer possible. which again is God bringing prophecy in other languages other than Hebrew alone in order to fulfill the promise of Joel and confirm unbelief of those who follow after the oral traditions of men . I am working to offer my opinion. Since God is no longer bringing any new prophecy as of his last book Revelation . Prophecy no longer is coming after any manner to includes tongues (multiple languages). We have the perfect word written today in multiple language's . If a person desires to offer the gospel to those who have another tongue they must purchase as copy of a translation that would be appropriate to the foreigner they are bringing the gospel to .
2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight
When people first believe they are given a new tongue to praise Him with it is not that God gives them a copy of the Bible in their own language or goes and tells them to buy one. That is a sign for those that dont believe that God can speak to all people not just in Hebrew.
Prophecy in the other hand in ones own language is for those that already believe.
It is just as simple as that, please dont make it a big deal. Remember the Hebrew people were very exclusive at the time they had their own language they were told not to mix with foreigners...the OT was in Hebrew but when they got taken over by other kingdoms it was first translated into Greek. People that were Jewish resisted speaking in Greek and learning greek way ways. They didnt believe God would speak to anyone in Any other language but their own. Only they had the oracles of God! Because they were a chosen people.
Everyone has their own prejducices towards people who dont speak their langauge. They are 'foreign' well God breaks down those barriers so that you can see that God speaks to all peoples in whatever tongue and can speak in every tongue even those unknown to you! That is why there is not only diverse tongues, but gift of interpetation of tongues.
When one sees that as a sign or not the upshot is that God loves you in whatever tongue.
I am just going to be blunt and say GET OVER IT. If you dont understand then fine it is not for you.
Prophecy in the other hand in ones own language is for those that already believe.
It is just as simple as that, please dont make it a big deal. Remember the Hebrew people were very exclusive at the time they had their own language they were told not to mix with foreigners...the OT was in Hebrew but when they got taken over by other kingdoms it was first translated into Greek. People that were Jewish resisted speaking in Greek and learning greek way ways. They didnt believe God would speak to anyone in Any other language but their own. Only they had the oracles of God! Because they were a chosen people.
Everyone has their own prejducices towards people who dont speak their langauge. They are 'foreign' well God breaks down those barriers so that you can see that God speaks to all peoples in whatever tongue and can speak in every tongue even those unknown to you! That is why there is not only diverse tongues, but gift of interpetation of tongues.
When one sees that as a sign or not the upshot is that God loves you in whatever tongue.
I am just going to be blunt and say GET OVER IT. If you dont understand then fine it is not for you.