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Old earthly dust covenant first promise of the seed
“And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.”
Genesis 13:14-16 KJV
New heavenly covenant second promise of the seed the promise of faith which Abraham could not touch and walk through but had to believe without proof Gods promise
“And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
Genesis 15:5-6 KJV
The dust is in earth the starts are in heaven . The dust is trampled upon , the stars shine in the heavens as lights above.
“And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.”
Genesis 13:14-16 KJV
New heavenly covenant second promise of the seed the promise of faith which Abraham could not touch and walk through but had to believe without proof Gods promise
“And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
Genesis 15:5-6 KJV
The dust is in earth the starts are in heaven . The dust is trampled upon , the stars shine in the heavens as lights above.
Gos is a seperate entity from his spirit and the word he speaks ?
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.( singular ) …. And the Spirit of God ( not seperate it’s an extension or aspect of him his spirit) moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:1-3 KJV
one singular God his living spirit and the word he spoke
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, ( God) the Word, ( word ) and the Holy Ghost: ( spirit ) and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
“For in him ( singular person ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ( father son Holy Ghost )
bodily.”( in one person Jesus Christ )
Colossians 2:9 KJV
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.( singular ) …. And the Spirit of God ( not seperate it’s an extension or aspect of him his spirit) moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
Genesis 1:1-3 KJV
one singular God his living spirit and the word he spoke
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, ( God) the Word, ( word ) and the Holy Ghost: ( spirit ) and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
“For in him ( singular person ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ( father son Holy Ghost )
bodily.”( in one person Jesus Christ )
Colossians 2:9 KJV
The Bible gives greater revelation as it is given. Genesis 1:1 speaks of God and 1:2 speaks of God as well. God has always been Spirit. There is no reason to distinguish the Spirit of God from God in verse 1 if they are the same entity or person.
In John 1:1 we are given more information about God in Genesis 1:1. With Him at this time was also the Word.
Throughout the NT we are given even fuller revelation using terms such as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Over time God has revealed the Godhead.
In John 1:1 we are given more information about God in Genesis 1:1. With Him at this time was also the Word.
Throughout the NT we are given even fuller revelation using terms such as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Over time God has revealed the Godhead.
“There is no reason to distinguish the Spirit of God from God “
right God is spirit who later became flesh in tbe son same one God with the same one spirit
God is one he’s revealed himself in three ways it’s never a different person it’s always him in a different form Father in heaven , son man’s flesh in earth , Holy Ghost in our hearts
The son can’t live in us by his flesh it’s his spirit that lives in us but it’s not a separate person it’s Jesus spirit the same spirit he gave up at the cross
“the spirit of God “ isn’t a different entity from God nor from Christ it’s just theee manifestations of the same God three perspectives and purposes
“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
John 1:10
Not “ they were in tbe world but no one knew them “ him as in a singular God manifest in Christ jesus
it’s like saying Christ , and Christs spirit it isn’t a different person or entity it’s part of him
right God is spirit who later became flesh in tbe son same one God with the same one spirit
God is one he’s revealed himself in three ways it’s never a different person it’s always him in a different form Father in heaven , son man’s flesh in earth , Holy Ghost in our hearts
The son can’t live in us by his flesh it’s his spirit that lives in us but it’s not a separate person it’s Jesus spirit the same spirit he gave up at the cross
“the spirit of God “ isn’t a different entity from God nor from Christ it’s just theee manifestations of the same God three perspectives and purposes
“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
John 1:10
Not “ they were in tbe world but no one knew them “ him as in a singular God manifest in Christ jesus
it’s like saying Christ , and Christs spirit it isn’t a different person or entity it’s part of him
god is eternal he manifest himself in the flesh when Jesus was born it was part of his plan from the the beginning jesus is Gods flesh and blood brother he wasn’t manifest to the world until the gospel in that form at the appointed time . Of redemption to begin
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:21-23 KJV
God eas manifest in the flesh when Jesus was born what I’m saying is in the beginning he wasn’t yet born a man he is the creator of all things . In the prophets he kept saying “ I’m going to come in the flesh and dwell among you and redeem you “ then he did
Amy point is it’s not a different entity it’s God who was born in the flesh as one of us in order to redeem us . It’s not that in the beginning there were three …..it’s that God is more than we understand so he’s manifest himself one self three ways it’s according to his plan of putting his spirit in man and making then his sons and daughters
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:21-23 KJV
God eas manifest in the flesh when Jesus was born what I’m saying is in the beginning he wasn’t yet born a man he is the creator of all things . In the prophets he kept saying “ I’m going to come in the flesh and dwell among you and redeem you “ then he did
Amy point is it’s not a different entity it’s God who was born in the flesh as one of us in order to redeem us . It’s not that in the beginning there were three …..it’s that God is more than we understand so he’s manifest himself one self three ways it’s according to his plan of putting his spirit in man and making then his sons and daughters
When God is fully manifest you see Jesus in him is the father son and Holy Ghost in one person … the full expression of God is when he manifest himself in the son before Jesus came forth no one really knew God
I’m really not following what you’re asking think of the usefulness of him becoming a man when there was no man worthy To intercede for mankind. Think of it like this
the son is the worthy man we needed , God became a man . This doesn’t mean he was absent from heavens throne he’s beyond physics or anything his spirit fills everything and everyone
I’m really not following what you’re asking think of the usefulness of him becoming a man when there was no man worthy To intercede for mankind. Think of it like this
the son is the worthy man we needed , God became a man . This doesn’t mean he was absent from heavens throne he’s beyond physics or anything his spirit fills everything and everyone
Here is the dogma of the Holy Trinity upon which the doctrine was established, I will also give you the link if you want to check it out for yourself. https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P17.HTM
The dogma of the Holy Trinity
253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
The dogma of the Holy Trinity
253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85
254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.
What are you saying? I have no issue with that I’ve used it before as examples of the father son and holy ghost how would that need to be explained ? Creation is two fold brother God is one bit we on earth can’t see heaven he manifest himself as a man on earth the other part of creation where man ruled
it’s like he stepped forth from heaven revealed himself and returned
Even when Jesus was in earth brother look
“If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
John 3:12-13 KJV
He’s here also at the same time it doesn’t make him two people one is his eternal spiritual form the other is when he became a man to create our high priest
Here’s another example
Look how this ends here Jesus shows both of his forms
“and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. ( they see no other form but hear the voice )
And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.”
Matthew 17:2, 5, 7-8 KJV
All of what they experienced there was a revelation of Jesus and who he is
“The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:”
Numbers 6:25 KJV
Do you see in this verse how Jesus was given a different glory while on earth but was returning to the glory of zgod which he always had before ?
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5 KJV
Brother we now have a high priest that’s who the man is who went into heaven it’s why he had to become flesh on earth we were all lost without any mediation he himself became the high priest and the sacrifice
“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
Acts 20:28
He didn’t have flesh and blood to lay down for us until he came into the world and was made of flesh and blood
God fills earth ( son ) and heaven ( father ) and us ( holt spirit ) he is one he’s just that awesome the trinity is a look at his plan to redeem us
its how this is possible he says this to his disciples speaking of when they would receive his spirit
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
( he tells them of receiving the spirit then says )
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,( son body of Christ )
and I in you.”( his holy spirit in us )
John 14:10, 20
The father son and Holy Ghost is how God is creating his children it’s about our redemption by the one and only God through Christ
it’s like he stepped forth from heaven revealed himself and returned
Even when Jesus was in earth brother look
“If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
John 3:12-13 KJV
He’s here also at the same time it doesn’t make him two people one is his eternal spiritual form the other is when he became a man to create our high priest
Here’s another example
Look how this ends here Jesus shows both of his forms
“and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. ( they see no other form but hear the voice )
And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.”
Matthew 17:2, 5, 7-8 KJV
All of what they experienced there was a revelation of Jesus and who he is
“The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:”
Numbers 6:25 KJV
Do you see in this verse how Jesus was given a different glory while on earth but was returning to the glory of zgod which he always had before ?
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:4-5 KJV
Brother we now have a high priest that’s who the man is who went into heaven it’s why he had to become flesh on earth we were all lost without any mediation he himself became the high priest and the sacrifice
“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
Acts 20:28
He didn’t have flesh and blood to lay down for us until he came into the world and was made of flesh and blood
God fills earth ( son ) and heaven ( father ) and us ( holt spirit ) he is one he’s just that awesome the trinity is a look at his plan to redeem us
its how this is possible he says this to his disciples speaking of when they would receive his spirit
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
( he tells them of receiving the spirit then says )
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,( son body of Christ )
and I in you.”( his holy spirit in us )
John 14:10, 20
The father son and Holy Ghost is how God is creating his children it’s about our redemption by the one and only God through Christ
Genesis chapter 1 states
In the Beginning, God. The Selg -Exisitant One and the Spirit of God were hovering in the face of the Deep, The Holy Spirit. Two Personalities identified
John chapter says In the beginning was the word. In Genesis, God spoke everything Into Existence Gen 1:3, and God said 1:6, and God said 1:9, and God said
If the Beginning was the word Logus, the very expression of God, and was God, then that makes three distinct Actions of One God of three personalities.
The theological concept known as Trinity means:
The unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. That Is what is seen in the word of GOD.
In the Beginning, God. The Selg -Exisitant One and the Spirit of God were hovering in the face of the Deep, The Holy Spirit. Two Personalities identified
John chapter says In the beginning was the word. In Genesis, God spoke everything Into Existence Gen 1:3, and God said 1:6, and God said 1:9, and God said
If the Beginning was the word Logus, the very expression of God, and was God, then that makes three distinct Actions of One God of three personalities.
The theological concept known as Trinity means:
The unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead. That Is what is seen in the word of GOD.
I'm not trying to upset you but am trying to understand your position. The trinity is probably, in human terms, beyond understanding. But at Jesus' baptism there are clearly 3 manifestations of God simultaneously. Each is distinct from the others. If each is God, I understand how they can be one in substance but not one in person. How do you explain them being one in person?
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You’ve never upset me since we met it’s just a discussion brother. You should know even if we disagreed it wouldn’t upset me towards you.
Ye you know how your saying this
at ( in ) Jesus' baptism there are clearly 3 manifestations of God simultaneously. “
“For in him ( singular person) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead , bodily.
And ye are complete in him, ( singular person ) which is the head of all principality and power:”
Colossians 2:9-10 KJV
notice this brother Jesus is saying this of himself
“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:7-9
“Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?”
Isaiah 43:8, 10-13
“Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!”
Isaiah 52:6-7 KJV
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5-8, 10-11 KJV
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
…My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
John 10:14, 27-30 KJV
imagine God reaching from heaven into earth with his own right arm , it’s not a different person but it’s a part of himself that’s reaching into our realm to save us from what’s to come. Jesus lived as a man and gave his spirit to us
Ye you know how your saying this
at ( in ) Jesus' baptism there are clearly 3 manifestations of God simultaneously. “
“For in him ( singular person) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead , bodily.
And ye are complete in him, ( singular person ) which is the head of all principality and power:”
Colossians 2:9-10 KJV
notice this brother Jesus is saying this of himself
“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:7-9
“Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?”
Isaiah 43:8, 10-13
“Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!”
Isaiah 52:6-7 KJV
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5-8, 10-11 KJV
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
…My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
John 10:14, 27-30 KJV
imagine God reaching from heaven into earth with his own right arm , it’s not a different person but it’s a part of himself that’s reaching into our realm to save us from what’s to come. Jesus lived as a man and gave his spirit to us
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