State Of The American Church

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My roommate claims to be a Lutheran Christian; he smokes(all manner of substance), drinks(starting at noon), swears constantly, adultery, etc...
oh no!
why do you have someone like that as a room mate?!

i doubt he actually goes to church...does he?:rolleyes:

i'm sure you know lots of ppl who call themselves something Christian, and are sinning like that.
i don't, really.

but it comes in handy when we want to say:

The problem with mainstream Christianity today is....:)

The problem with mainstream Christianity today is that people don't really know what the true standards for a Christian are. We are called to hold ourselves up to high standards. That means not sinning, not swearing, not doing drugs(weed/prescription, etc..), not sleeping around, etc..
right.
is your room mate actually a member in good standing at the LCMS?
i doubt it.

Am I perfect? HARDLY.
okay.
only you know what that means.

But the day I stop realizing what I'm doing wrong and begin to think my sin is ok with God is the day I've thrown up the white flag. Christian places of community should not be people pleasing each other, but challenging each other to live up to the standard Jesus set and encouraging each other. I can't take the spirit here. People think because they've said a prayer that they've punched their Golden Ticket and can go on their merry way.
it took me years to find a church where people are actually living Christian lives, separate from the world.
i need it.

and are encouraging each other. no one has to 'challenge' anyone to live up to some single individual in the congregation's standard. everybody knows what the bible says.
they've been brought up living right as best they can.
i wasn't.

are you planning to find a new room mate?
i don't suppose you get along well.
i'm sure you'll find the right place.


Blessings in Christ Our Lord.
 
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i go to church in the united states and evidently i don't go to this church perseus is talking about...

also these observations aren't true only of churches in the united states...
 
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What are we to believe?

I have answered that question.

We are to believe in God. We are to believe in Jesus Christ. We are to believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and that he offered Himself up on our behalf to God that our past sins be forgiven.

Yet even the devils believe which is why we must be a DOER of the word and not a hearer only.

We access the work of Christ on the cross through repentance and faith whereby we approach God in confidence, having forsaken our rebellion, and the blood purges our conscience of dead works in order that we serve God acceptably.

Jesus died on our behalf and was raised up the third day proving the victory over death. We die with Christ in repentance and we are raised up to newness of life. The gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ. We abide in Him and He abides in us and it is through this union that we bear the fruit of right living which emanates from having had our hearts made pure.
In your general terms you have said nothing more then what the Mormons themselves believe. What is different in what you say then what they say (by the way they are also based on Pelagianism) Believe what about Jesus? Believe what about the resurrection? You do know people give at least three different meanings to the resurrection? So what do you believe about the resurrection? What is different between what you are saying and the Mormons say?

Originally Posted by SarahM777

Sorry but it does go into the state of the churches if one is preaching a false gospel. So the question is what gospel does Skinski believe? All I am asking if for him to define what it is he believes,either it is true or it is false.

Either he is preaching the same Christ or another,and all I am asking is for him to clarify it. We are to TEST the spirits and those who come in His name to see if they are preaching a different Christ.

Test me. Specifically quote me where I contradict Scripture please.

Please see above.
 
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hattiebod

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i go to church in the united states and evidently i don't go to this church perseus is talking about...

also these observations aren't true only of churches in the united states...
Love the sheepies :)
Its not just America...its true of us Christians all over the world, the good, the bad and the indifferent! (in between?) just as it was in Jesus day. Church is us and we are all sinners, some may not swear but then may be selfish, some may be kind to those they know but may ignore the homeless man in the street...we are human. Don't feel bad USA, we are failing over here in Scotland too :) but we do have Jesus and we are all brothers & sisters in Christ. Lets try to build each other, not tear each other down. As for CC being a disgrace? well, I have not been here that long but its wonderful. I live & work in a very secular world and dipping in to CC lifts my spirit, it shows me there are God loving and serving people who love Jesus and each other and it makes me smile :) <><
 
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It's just amazing to me how far the church has fallen. I see "Christians" being ok with all kinds of sins. Profanity, Adultery, Promiscuity, Foolishness, Loving the World, Drugs, etc..

The church has gotten so soft. People think that Christianity just means everybody "getting along" and whispering sweet nothings into each others ear. It's everywhere - all over this board, all over the chat, all over the churches, across the nation, etc..

That's not what it's about. It's about holding ourselves to high standards - incredibly high standards. And we might not always make it to those standards, but AT LEAST we're trying! I mean, the spiritual apathy and lethargy is amazing.

It's just stunning to me that there's so many people just living basically however they like, all believing that they've got a Golden Ticket to heaven. It's no better than the delusion of the world.

I realize this will get some people in a huff and a puff and get their panties in a bunch, but I'm more interested in the people who agree and realize what a dismal state the church is in, specifically America.
I totally agree, but we need to break down the strongholds of the modern apostate church, that resembles the world over the house of God!

This is why the churches are not churches at all, but a haven for lukewarm sinners, playing church, without any seperation or holiness.

They worship original sin, substitution, osas, and a host of other reformed doctrines that have made the true church few and far between, I would encourage you all who think you are IN the true church to read this article on the church, as it clearly defines why the church is dead today, and why the real church Jesus built is composed of just a few remnant souls, who have truly repented, and are walking an obedient faith as commanded!

The Church
Ekklēsia is the Greek word used in the New Testament over 116 times, translated in our English Bibles as ‘Church’. The word has NOTHING to do with stone buildings or sacred places of worship. It is a compound word meaning: ‘Ek’: Out from….’Ekklēsia’ the called out. Thus the ‘Called out’.

The Greek word most closely related to ‘Church’ is kuriakos, used in 1Cor11:20 & Rev1:10, translated: ‘the Lord’s’ as referring to the Lord’s Supper and the Lord’s Day. Meaning in the Greek: belonging to the Lord, related to the Lord. This word became associated with places of ‘Christian’ worship around 300AD under Roman Emperor Constantine. Up to that time the true followers of Jesus Christ were meeting in private homes, often in secret at night. WHY? Because in the Roman Empire there could be no private religion! It was against the law and considered conspiratorial to hold secret or private meetings in homes. This is why the Pagans often brought moral charges against the Christians accusing them of incest, cannibalism and unnatural practices.
(meetings in homes: Rom16:5, 1Cor16:19, Col4:15, Phil1:2, Acts2:46)

Christ Intended Church Matt16:13-19
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Thus WHAT is the Church? Its Certainly NOT a building considered ‘Sacred’ where the Lord dwells. His Spirit does not reside in things made of stone and wood. When He told His Disciples that if ‘Anyone love Me, he will Keep My Word and My Father will love him and WE will come to him and make Our home with him’ Jn14:23, He was speaking of this ‘Ekklēsia’ of the ‘Called out ones’. These would be His assembly called out of Darkness and Bondage into Light and Freedom from sin! (Acts26:18) The Saints are NOT called to buildings set apart as sacred run by a religious establishment of clergy with some kind of special privileges to Lord over people.
WHO is Greatest in the Kingdom of our Lord?

And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your servant. Matt20:27

But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. Matt23:11
Even the Ransom (redemption of Christ) is associated with this kind of Servitude:
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”Matt20:28
Jesus as the ‘ROCK’ 1Cor10:4 (Petra, up on which the Ekklēsia is to be Established) Served on the ‘Called out ones’ behalf in order to Redeem them from darkness to light from the power of Satan to God. That’s why His ‘Church’ is the ‘Chosen generation, the Royal priesthood, a holy nation of His own special people that may proclaim praises to Him who called them out of darkness into His marvelous Light!’ 1Pet2:9. The Ekklēsia is NOT the filthy ragged, desperately wicked, wretched, born depraved, chiefs of sinners sitting under the bondage of a religious system that rules over their minds and keeps them in ignorance. (under a millennial of bondage dating back to ancient Rome)
Peter’s (petros, small rock) confession stands as the testimony of the Ekklesia’s foundation on which the Saints are to build; 1Cor3:9-11 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ! Understanding that it’s GOD who gives the increase, 1Cor3:7. This is why His Saints stand out as ‘Special People’ (unique 1Pet2:9) His Bride who has made themselves ready for His coming, Rev19:7, going forth into all the earth to proclaim the riches of His Glory, (Eph1:18, 3:16, Rom9:23) endued with the Power from on High! Acts1:8. Professing Christians in the Church System do not have a clue what it means to be among the ‘called out’ ones. They have yet to answer the call to ‘Come Out from among them and be separate’ 2Cor6:16-18. Separate from what, They ask, we are the Church!

The Satanic distortion of ‘Church’ began in forth Century Rome under Emperor Constantine who granted religious tolerance in the land that brought an end to the bitter persecutions against Christians. This eventually led to the uniting of church and state, bringing the ‘Christians’ into the great cathedrals of Rome. (considered sacred by the pagans) From that time forward an ‘Official’ religious system existed under the guise of Christianity blending together the idols, pagan beliefs and rituals of Roman culture and remains so to this day. To the officials of Rome you were either a ‘Catholic Christian’ or a ‘heretic’….branded foolish madmen, who should suffer chastisement and divine condemnation.

Essentially this turned the tables against the real Saints of God labeling them dangerous dissenters and who would not bow to the authority of Rome. The Ecclesiastical System had full authority to persecute and legally murder their religious opponents who opposed them. Sparing you the long and bloody history of religious tyranny that brought us the horror of Crusades, Inquisitions, torture and massive persecutions throughout history to present day, suffice to say the ‘CHURCH’ as we know it in our current society has NOTHING to do with CHRIST! Certainly much of the bitter persecution has ceased in our ‘relativity’ free country and we are currently permitted to practice the religion of our choice, it doesn’t negate the FACT that the existing Religious Establishment of professing Christianity in the free world is still Pagan based to its core.

The ‘Churches’ as they exist in our towns, villages and cities, in which so-called Christians claim to worship the One True God are simply an off-shoot of what happened in ancient Rome when the Pure Doctrine of Jesus Christ was nullified by the teachings of men. This is why the ‘Church’ has absolutely no similarity to the ‘Ekklēsia’ of the Bible and also has no desire whatsoever to resemble it. They have their SYSTEM in place that serves the purpose of gathering humanity under a unified pattern of religion where anything goes and people can choose the ‘form’ that suits them best.

The establishment can still maintain a fabricated authority over attendees insisting they must submit to church leadership and remain in fellowship lest they abandon the faith. This enforces the fantasy in the minds of church goers that those who flee the System are angry runagates and devils better off gone rather than stirring up trouble in their midst. In olden times the ‘Church’ exercised domination over the people by the pretense of piety, the place of worship (they controlled) was consecrated of the Lord and dare not be blasphemed or defied. They may not be hunting down dissidents or burning anyone at the stake in our time, but TRY going among them to challenge their false doctrines and expose the sin! You will find out very quickly that non-compliance will NOT be tolerated.

A denominational church will use its entire governing body to see that you’re silenced and cast out of doors if necessary. More independent organizations will muster the governing board against you and see that you’re brought to shame in the eyes of the people. How different is that from excommunication or being branded a heretic by the religious establishment? The illegitimate ‘Church’ System STILL holds great sway over the gullible (professed) Christian public who fear being numbered among the rebellious. God’s greatest Prophets (including John the Baptist) always stood aloof of the religious system and were greatly out-numbered by the dominant forces. Elijah had to stand alone against 450 false prophets of Baal who had already gone out and slain hundreds of the Lord’s faithful. (1Kings19:12-21)

It’s really no surprise that those of us who Preach the Lord’s true Doctrine cannot buy or sell inside the religious system. (Rev13:17) The use of these words; ‘Buy & Sell’ in Revelation 13 are metaphorical. To Buy means the ability to Participate in a market place….To Sell translates as ability to Barter in a place. Are God’s true Messengers of Repentance and Faith Proven by deeds permitted to ‘Participate’ in the designated places of worship? Can they ‘Barter’ (the act or practice of carrying on a trade) among the ‘church’ people? BY NO MEANS…..because they have NOT taken on the Mark (which is the lust of the eye, flesh & pride of life!) but have CAST it away in the Crucifixion of the passions and desires of the flesh. (Rom6:4-6,Gal5:24)

That’s what has separated the ‘Ekklesia’ from the church since the beginning. When Saul (later Paul) made havoc of the church entering into every house dragging off men and women committing them to prison (Acts8:3) Obviously he was finding this ‘Ekklesia’ in the houses. He did not have to seek them out in the local synagogues or other official places of worship approved by the religious system. And the SAME holds true today….you will NOT find the ‘Called out ones’ partaking at the table of demons in a place of idolatry. (1Cor10:21, 2Cor6:14-16)

We see this in Christ rolling back the vale of eternity in Matt7:21-23, when He pronounces those awful words to the people who thought they were serving Him in a false System, “I Never Knew you, Depart from Me you workers of iniquity’! They participated in the rituals and traditions of the ‘church’, but never came out of their sins.
If we look back over the centuries of religious bondage since the days of ancient Rome, we find a ruling elite arrogantly reigning over the mind’s of men by the use of superstition and the fear of a vengeful God. In darker times the mere suggestion that you were involved in anything the church deemed blasphemy it meant banishment from common society. (and often times death by horrible means) The average people could not simply ignore the ecclesiastical influence of the establishment because they had power to brandish the full power of the State against anyone who opposed them. So unless you were willing to contest a standing army that thoroughly enjoyed bloody slaughter, you kowtowed to the System in spite of your convictions.
Of course things have changed somewhat since the advent of Liberty in the world, but billions still live under authoritarian style leadership. The major difference today is that the ‘Christian’ Church is no longer a threat to the darkened authorities. Therefore if it, as an organization, is willing to exist within the parameters of state control it can enjoy full acceptance. (even in places like China) However private gatherings or (in house) churches are still considered a danger by most regimes because they operate apart from the supervision of prying eyes. This includes America, where many of the brain dead mind controlled, still believe their leaders respect the Bill of Rights. The general public, among who most professing Christians reside are already good minions of the State and subordinate to some form of authorized religious authority. The religious systems of history have provided man with a sanctuary for his ‘sickness’ of mind called the ‘church’. They have gone to extreme lengths to preserve this safe harbor for carnality, including the use of torture, coercion and deceptions.
Even when the vast monopoly of the Catholic System was challenged during what historians call the Reformation, the duplicity continued. When the Bible was finally authorized to be translated into English by King James VI in 1604, the ‘esteemed’ translators were instructed to rigorously maintain the Episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ‘ordained’ clergy. So the Word ‘Ekklesia’ in the Greek text was ordered to be translated ‘Church’! (as it also appeared in the Geneva Bible the Anglo-Catholic Bishop’s Bible) Thus it has been to this day. The ‘Church’ is still considered a sacred gathering place for ‘Christians’ and the clergy keeps the people in a state of ignorance and bliss. However GOD did not intend that His Ekklesia become an institutionalized religion.
We have already established that the ‘Church’ as it exists in America today is NOT the ‘Called out’ ones of Christ. Further evidence of this is seen in their eagerness to obey the rules of State and operate within the constraints of a charitable origination. Since the founding of America the ‘Churches’ have been exempt (for the most part) from paying any taxes. (except on payroll earnings stating in the late 1930’s) However as the Gospel became more and more secular in nature the government recognized it’s opportunity to weasel into ‘religious’ affairs by ‘granting’ them a special status under law to maintain their exemption. However nothing comes from government without strings attached and the American Church System was a prime candidate to ‘sign on’ to something they ‘thought’ was to their advantage. And in a bizarre sort of way the 501 (c) 3 charitable corporate tax exempt statuses (introduced in 1954) corresponds seamlessly into their counterfeit gospel message that follows the Great Harlot of Babylon.
This type of tax exemption turns the churches into ‘corporations’, that must follow the guidelines (as any government granted corporation) stipulated in the agreement. Which means that in order to maintain a tax exempt status the Churches (and any charitable organization) must forego certain activities which are specifically: engaging in political lobbying or campaigning. That means the Pastors or other church leadership cannot endorse a candidate for political office or participate in any political debate that may influence the outcome of an election or the passing of legislation. Essentially this hamstrings the ‘Churches’ ability to act as any kind of a moral compass in society at large.
So there you have it! Your precious constitution brought to naught. Congress making no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…. Has virtually no further significance in the land of the free. Not only have the Churches voluntarily repudiated the Gospel of Christ they have enthusiastically gone in league with the devil! They are a sort of ‘Judas’ goat, selling out for their thirty pieces of silver. They ride the Scarlet Beast of Rev17:3-6, adorn with all the trimmings of ancient Babylon.
As throughout their long and sorted history as a religious hierarchy they have always been FULLY aware of the control they have put forth over men AND used it to their complete advantage. With the 501 they can further demonize the runagates that refuse to comply and wrap themselves in the flag as loyal patriots thereby garnering an even greater creditability to the unsuspecting masses who equate God and Country to the Bible. Is it of any wonder why Solomon said that there is nothing new under the sun? This same type of Mind control has been going on from the very dawn of creation. Man is a creature easily duped (or shall I say Doped) by the Luciferian agenda of instant gratification and the promise of supremacy. Thus you have the SAME establishment today as those who crucified Christ. Controlled in Mind and Heart by Satan himself!
Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull .Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them. Matt13:14-15
The Ekklēsia can never be connected with a System, by definition they are the ‘called out’ ones, Separate from the lust of the flesh, eyes and pride of life; all the trapping of the world the establishment churches find irresistible. They are His Sheep who hear His Voice and Obey, sojourns in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom they SHINE as Lights in a world of Darkness, Holding fast the Word of Life! Phil2:15-16
The religious systems of history have provided man with a sanctuary for his ‘sickness’ of mind called the ‘church’. They have gone to extreme lengths to preserve this safe harbor for carnality, including the use of torture, coercion and deceptions. Even when the vast monopoly of the Catholic System was challenged during what historians call the Reformation, the duplicity continued. When the Bible was finally authorized to be translated into English by King James VI in 1604, the ‘esteemed’ translators were instructed to rigorously maintain the Episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ‘ordained’ clergy. So the Word ‘Ekklēsia’ in the Greek text was ordered to be translated ‘Church’! (as it also appeared in the Geneva Bible the Anglo-Catholic Bishop’s Bible)
Thus it has been to this day. The ‘Church’ is still considered a sacred gathering place for ‘Christians’ and the clergy keeps the people in a state of ignorance and bliss. However GOD did not intend that His Ekklēsia to become an institutionalized religion. Courtesy standingthegap.org
 
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It's just amazing to me how far the church has fallen. I see "Christians" being ok with all kinds of sins. Profanity, Adultery, Promiscuity, Foolishness, Loving the World, Drugs, etc..

The church has gotten so soft. People think that Christianity just means everybody "getting along" and whispering sweet nothings into each others ear. It's everywhere - all over this board, all over the chat, all over the churches, across the nation, etc..

That's not what it's about. It's about holding ourselves to high standards - incredibly high standards. And we might not always make it to those standards, but AT LEAST we're trying! I mean, the spiritual apathy and lethargy is amazing.

It's just stunning to me that there's so many people just living basically however they like, all believing that they've got a Golden Ticket to heaven. It's no better than the delusion of the world.

I realize this will get some people in a huff and a puff and get their panties in a bunch, but I'm more interested in the people who agree and realize what a dismal state the church is in, specifically America.
Sorry,but what Church is American Church?
 
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What are we to believe?

I have answered that question.

We are to believe in God. We are to believe in Jesus Christ. We are to believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and that he offered Himself up on our behalf to God that our past sins be forgiven.

Yet even the devils believe which is why we must be a DOER of the word and not a hearer only.

We access the work of Christ on the cross through repentance and faith whereby we approach God in confidence, having forsaken our rebellion, and the blood purges our conscience of dead works in order that we serve God acceptably.

Jesus died on our behalf and was raised up the third day proving the victory over death. We die with Christ in repentance and we are raised up to newness of life. The gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ. We abide in Him and He abides in us and it is through this union that we bear the fruit of right living which emanates from having had our hearts made pure.
This is like going part of the way Christ paved for us, and then stopping before we reach the goal. We say bear fruit, follow our hearts made pure, etc. And to most church members that means nothing. You can't pick out a church member from a bar fly by seeing how they differ.

Someone said it is like telling a child to clean his room, and the child answers he believes in cleaning it, he studies how to clean it, he means to clean it. But the room does not get cleaned. With no doing, faith and intent means nothing.

The Jews had a meeting to decide what to do about gentiles who wanted to join them in worshipping the One True God, even before Christ was with us as a man. They made a list of rules for this, a list that is referred to but one that a copy of has not been saved for us to read. Sometimes Paul referred to this list as "circumcism" or the "law". This list did not include anything of the spirit, only rites. Paul told us how God considered this list. Our churches are taking what is said way, way, too far. If you obey God, they say, it is legalism. Legalism is obeying without the spirit and is wrong. Obeying is right.

With the teaching of the church about law, they fill the church with people like the child told to clean his room.
 
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It's just amazing to me how far the church has fallen. I see "Christians" being ok with all kinds of sins. Profanity, Adultery, Promiscuity, Foolishness, Loving the World, Drugs, etc..

The church has gotten so soft. People think that Christianity just means everybody "getting along" and whispering sweet nothings into each others ear. It's everywhere - all over this board, all over the chat, all over the churches, across the nation, etc..

That's not what it's about. It's about holding ourselves to high standards - incredibly high standards. And we might not always make it to those standards, but AT LEAST we're trying! I mean, the spiritual apathy and lethargy is amazing.

It's just stunning to me that there's so many people just living basically however they like, all believing that they've got a Golden Ticket to heaven. It's no better than the delusion of the world.

I realize this will get some people in a huff and a puff and get their panties in a bunch, but I'm more interested in the people who agree and realize what a dismal state the church is in, specifically America.

Did you know: America is the most religiously diverse Nation on the planet? No doubt it is because of the spiritual condition of the Church. It has been infected, infiltrated by Satan and his agents. When Paul speaks of the Falling Away in 2 Thesselonians 2, I immidiately think about Today. We are witnessing this being fulfilled right before our eyes. It is not complete yet however; it must get even worse. People will start believing THEY are Christ, and they will come in His name saying they are Christ,.. Be prepared O True believers, for the Day is dawning on us as we speak. Every Day things get worse and worse and will continue to do so until the Day Christ returns[:
The Church is no doubt to blame, but fret not for the Day will also come when the Church is purified and there is a mass separation. All these false believers, teachers and prophets will fall away completely and follow the Antichrist, leaving the True believers to be targeted by Satan and his Antichrist.
 
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everybody knows what the bible says.
Do they? Do they really? I think the church could use a heck of a lot more rebuke, exhortation, and condemnation. Something to really wake everyone up!

Is there a sense of urgency in the church? Are people constantly looking inward and comparing it to scripture?


What did Paul say? He told us to rebuke each other. He told us to reprove each other. To exhort each other. To literally challenge each other.

no one has to 'challenge' anyone...
How can you say that's not necessary in the face of this scripture?

2 Timothy 4:2: "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction."

are you planning to find a new room mate?
i don't suppose you get along well.
i'm sure you'll find the right place.
I'm trying to find another place, but it's been difficult so far.

Living together has been... challenging, to say the least. I also don't like it for my spirit, it's not a good influence to be around.

Sorry,but what Church is American Church?
This is a general commentary on the "Christian" community in America.
 
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I see the stage hes in, now hes finally got a clue and an opinion.
Guess what? Your next stage is going to be........ do something
about it or be quiet.
Or both!
 
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The state of most American churches is this ( note I said most, not all). They have left the cross, they only mention it from time to time and rely on education, psychology, and philosophy. There are churches here that have open bars and pool tables. Their youth listen to rock and rap music in church. They say "well that's how we get them in", Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me. This is the problem and why we have perverts running our country. Because the pulpit has been compromised with political correctness and not standing on the word. Yes you can have a big church and lots of money if you scratch itching ears. That is the state of American church and it kills my soul. Unless the church comes back to the cross, America will not come back. Please pray for revival in America.
 

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Do they? Do they really? I think the church could use a heck of a lot more rebuke, exhortation, and condemnation. Something to really wake everyone up!
what about your friend...does he know the word?
you live with him. presumably you're preaching it to him.
how's it going?

what church?
the mega-osteen things?
i thought you meant The Church.

go to those stadiums and do some exhortation then:)

Is there a sense of urgency in the church?
why would there be urgency IN the Church?
if you're feeling urgency for the lost, go preach Christ Crucified.

Are people constantly looking inward and comparing it to scripture?
which people?

What did Paul say? He told us to rebuke each other. He told us to reprove each other. To exhort each other. To literally challenge each other.
right. what i said was, there's peace and unity in the church i attend.
i have seen no rebuking and whatnot needed:)
which is why i recommend this church.

How can you say that's not necessary in the face of this scripture?
2 Timothy 4:2: "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction."
if the word is preached, it has all the power to perform that which it is intended to do.
i see it:)
it works.

but maybe boredom...a distaste for "cold dead orthodoxy" is the culprit? not fun enuff?

I'm trying to find another place, but it's been difficult so far.

Living together has been... challenging, to say the least. I also don't like it for my spirit, it's not a good influence to be around.
right.
i know it's difficult.
try to stay calm.

This is a general commentary on the "Christian" community in America.
yes i know.
why the QUOTES?:)
ppl are either christian or they are not.
you must be born again.

really, a healthy faithful church is the best thing.
but if you have a 'tude already....well....you know how that'll go:)
hoping the best for you.
 
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The state of most American churches is this ( note I said most, not all). They have left the cross, they only mention it from time to time and rely on education, psychology, and philosophy. There are churches here that have open bars and pool tables. Their youth listen to rock and rap music in church. They say "well that's how we get them in", Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me. This is the problem and why we have perverts running our country. Because the pulpit has been compromised with political correctness and not standing on the word. Yes you can have a big church and lots of money if you scratch itching ears. That is the state of American church and it kills my soul. Unless the church comes back to the cross, America will not come back. Please pray for revival in America.
The cross is the heart of our triune God, it is true, but what has happened to the cross is that it has been distorted into a teddy bear, anything goes Savior who gives all and demands nothing except meaningless, pious sounding words.

God the Father has been distorted until the church's picture of the Father has nothing to do with the reaity of the One True God.
 
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no please don't.
revivals have been the problem.

just settle down and keep it simple.
no more "revivals" please!
When I say revival, I mean a move back to the cross and not some fleshy outbreak. we have had enough of that. But, back to the personal relationship with God. I mean people praying in their bedroom or closet seeking and asking. That's what brings change and not the white house.
 

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When I say revival, I mean a move back to the cross and not some fleshy outbreak. we have had enough of that. But, back to the personal relationship with God. I mean people praying in their bedroom or closet seeking and asking. That's what brings change and not the white house.
okay...but we are supposed to be joined to other believers in the Church.
like it or lump it.
sooner, or later.....:)
 
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The cross is the heart of our triune God, it is true, but what has happened to the cross is that it has been distorted into a teddy bear, anything goes Savior who gives all and demands nothing except meaningless, pious sounding words.

God the Father has been distorted until the church's picture of the Father has nothing to do with the reaity of the One True God.
My friend, I'm not totally sure at what you are getting at, The whole bible is themed around the cross. From the first sin to the last, it is the cross. The cross was and is God's ultimate sacrifice for all humanity. God will accept nothing else than faith in the cross. Note when I say cross I'm not talking about the wood beam but, the sacrifice that was given on it.
 
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okay...but we are supposed to be joined to other believers in the Church.
like it or lump it.
sooner, or later.....:)
Zone I love you, But what do you mean by joined. I will not be joined to so called believers who do not recognize the cross. It is the cross that saved me. it is the cross that set me free. it is the cross that set me apart. it is the cross that guarantees my place in heaven. It is the cross that gives healing. It is the cross
 

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Zone I love you, But what do you mean by joined. I will not be joined to so called believers who do not recognize the cross. It is the cross that saved me. it is the cross that set me free. it is the cross that set me apart. it is the cross that guarantees my place in heaven. It is the cross that gives healing. It is the cross
someone who doesn't recognize the Cross isn't a believer, are they?
sooner or later you are going to need a congregation.
i wish you the best.
 

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Zone I love you, But what do you mean by joined. I will not be joined to so called believers who do not recognize the cross. It is the cross that saved me. it is the cross that set me free. it is the cross that set me apart. it is the cross that guarantees my place in heaven. It is the cross that gives healing. It is the cross
Earlmayknowornot,
i don't know if you'll listen to this or not.
but if you want a good diagnosis of this issue.....give it a go.

the current and most pressing problem is 'Purpose Driven theology' - which is not christianity at all.

we are seeing what appeared to be different aberrant ideas merging into one thing.

a 'doing gospel'...a 'social gospel'...it seemed harmless, even helpful, not long ago maybe...but it's really something else altogether.

which is what has been coming for a long, long time.

see if you can figure out what it is:)


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