STOP BASHING CHRISTIAN METAL!!

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VRJ

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If one meets Christ on a laud high how can they come down from the loudness to meet him in that quiet place? Meet him in the quiet place ,you don't come to Christ on a high adreinlin first.
 

Dude653

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If one meets Christ on a laud high how can they come down from the loudness to meet him in that quiet place? Meet him in the quiet place ,you don't come to Christ on a high adreinlin first.

So does that mean we have to whisper and be all quiet when we praise God in Church??
 
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Hmm. And we wonder why people look at Christians and ask, "Why would I want to be one of them?"

Why do we argue about things like this?
Everyone worships God in different ways.
Different styles of music reach out and speak to different people.
Why is that so hard to understand for some people?

And just FYI, I'm not simply "defending metal music" because I like it so much. I rarely listen to it to be honest. I really prefer acoustic stuff and piano and more vocal-focused stuff. My hubby on the other hand writes metal and rock...and electronic stuff like trance and hardstyle...but that's a different story. Haha. But anyways, even though I may not always really like metal music, I am glad there are Christians out there producing that type of music, because God can use it to reach people that bands like Mercy Me (nothing against them at all, btw...I love 'em) will never be played in their CD players/Ipods/whatever.

Phew. Just had to say something.

Oh and P.S.: Becoming the Archetype is one of my hubby's new favorites, hehe. I think they're pretty cool....even though metal isn't exactly my preferred choice. =]
My hubby's actually writing a metal opera right now...it's about the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Good stuff.
 
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VRJ

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The Holy Ghost is called the comforter. He gives comfort to a person in their pain or hardship and makes life for that person easier.

Acts 9:31; "Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied."

John 14:16,26; "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."

John 15:26; "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." (also John 16:7)

Revelation 3:20; "Behole, I stand at the door, and knock(not bang): if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

The Spirit of God is a quiet Spirit. The spirit of Satan is one that brings noise and confusion which is the Kundalini spirit.
 
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NoahsMom

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Joyful noise.....now to some, that may not be considered QUIETLY.
The spirit of Satan is one that brings noise and confusion which is the Kundalini spirit.Scripture and verse please, that state, ONLY noise ( loud), comes only from satan. Im not trying to argue here, What brings some comfort, may not to others. I like my quiet time, but, i also like to be joyful and laugh.
 
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VRJ

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Kundaline spirit............everyone has the internet...........not to be mean either but everyone does has braincells and everyone can do there own math to see what spirit this is.
 

Vladimir_Ukr

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The Bible says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord'' Does it say make a nice, pleasent easy to understand noise?? NO If that is thier joyful noise.. who are we to judge??
The Holy Scripture says about it:
So if the whole church comes together
and everyone speaks in tongues, and
some who do not understand or some
unbelievers come in, will they not say
that you are out of your mind?
(1nd Corinthians 14:23)
Here's bottom line:
What then shall we say, brothers?
When you come together, everyone has
a hymn, or a word of instruction, a
revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.
All of these must be done for the
strengthening of the church.
(1nd Corinthians 14:26)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If one meets Christ on a laud high how can they come down from the loudness to meet him in that quiet place? Meet him in the quiet place ,you don't come to Christ on a high adreinlin first.
Why does comming to God have to be in a quiete place. I am with God when I am crazy and quiet. When pepole are excited are they quiet? NO! They are loud and joyfull.

There is nothing like getting done playing a loud fast uptempo christian song, then listening to the teacher teach a message from God..

On the other hand. I spent many a Sundy listning and singing slow hymms and ended up falling asleep during the sermon because I was so low. It is hard to fall asleep when you are full of joy and music!
 
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_Centurion_

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Ive never been ashamed to own a Stryper album - To hell with devil. So awful in so many ways that it transends bad and is just a work of brilliance. :).

At the end of the day, if it has drums and geetars and it rocks hard, I'll enjoy it.
 

Vladimir_Ukr

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1. We must face the truth:
And no wonder, for Satan himself
masquerades as an angel of light.
(2nd Corinthians 11:14)
2. We need pray always, that we may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass.
For the time will come when men will
not put up with sound doctrine. Instead,
to suit their own desires, they will gather
around them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to
hear.
(2nd Timothy 4:3)
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giantone

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1. We must face the truth:
And no wonder, for Satan himself
masquerades as an angel of light.
(2nd Corinthians 11:14)
2. We need pray always, that we may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass.
For the time will come when men will
not put up with sound doctrine. Instead,
to suit their own desires, they will gather
around them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to
hear.
(2nd Timothy 4:3)
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Very true and some things that look very Christian aren't and some things that look evil aren't.

In my opinion allot of Christian music is fluff and only entertaining to listen to.

I have some rules I like to follow, you should be able to hear the words to the music clearly even if it is heavy metal, and hissing and strange animal noises are definitely out. Bitting the heads off bats is optional, well maybe not, I like bats, they keep the mosquitoes in check.
 

Vladimir_Ukr

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Very true and some things that look very Christian aren't and some things that look evil aren't.

In my opinion allot of Christian music is fluff and only entertaining to listen to.

I have some rules I like to follow, you should be able to hear the words to the music clearly even if it is heavy metal, and hissing and strange animal noises are definitely out. Bitting the heads off bats is optional, well maybe not, I like bats, they keep the mosquitoes in check.
Thanks, You showed the ropes. What I mean is that "Everything is permissible for me" - but
not everything is beneficial. "Everything
is permissible for me" - but I will not be
mastered by anything. (1st Corinthians 6:12)
Do you agree?

I like bats too. :)
 
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Graybeard

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An experiment was done by a professor, different genre of music was played to water...yes water, now it was found and documented that heavy metal music utterly destroyed the water molecules or crystals, so what does that prove one may ask, well for a start we are about 70% water...imagine what that music is doing to us...go figure!
 
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The world plays music according to their flesh,for they know not God,and that music includes heavy metal.They play this type of music according to what their flesh wants,for they are of the world,which this music was played before Christian metal was put out.
they are having the fun and enjoing them selves.
Before the 1960's people were not as selfish and arrogant wanting their way,but when the 1960's hit,it created an attitude of selfishness and arrogance,and love of the flesh,that has never been seen before that.While they were claiming peace and love,there was a selfishness of have your own way,be your own boss,do your own thing,and rebelliousness against authority,that led to a selfish and arrogant nation,that love fleshy pleasures never seen before in the history of mankind,where children rebel against parents that has never been seen in the history of mankind before the 1960's.
we can not ignore the cunning deciever,he gets in from the right, left, front, rear, all directions.
When the 1960's hit,the children were growing up in a more selfish and arrogant society,which produced more hypocrites who love fleshy pleasures more than God when they accepted Jesus than prior to the 1960's.

The world who goes by the flesh,because they know not God,play heavy metal for it is what their flesh wants,and you can see the progression from the 1960's until now,how the music became darker and more aggressive as time went on for the people of the world,for in the flesh dwells no good thing.
can they notice that, its getting darker and darker with every generation.anything new is cool. there is now hip hop in church ,am i right?
If the people of the world play heavy metal because it is what their flesh wants,how is that compatible with worshipping God,when the lyrics may praise God,but truthfully the music is what the flesh wants.

Music to worship God should sound like loving music,not aggressive and loud,and you cannot reach the world by acting like them.
i agree totally
People are growing up in a more selfish and arrogant society,and more people that claim Christ are in to some fleshy pleasures more than before the 1960's.

How can heavy metal be of the world and of God at the same time,and it was of the world first,and they love it according to the flesh for they are not with God,which I believe that Christian metal and people who like it,may be singing praise to God,but they love the music according to the flesh but want to think it is not true,for music to praise God is loving,pleasant to the ears,not aggressive and loud,which is what the flesh wants.
we must worship God with a humble heart.
God said that we should adorn the inner man with a meek and quiet spirit,so how does heavy metal fit in to that.It is the flesh that wants aggression,and like I said after the 1960's it caused a selfish and arrogant people,with love of the flesh,that has never been seen before it,and kids are growing up in that society,and if they do come to Christ a lot have a hard time wanting to get rid of those fleshy desires,like heavy metal,which is of the flesh,and not compatible with the music God wants to hear.
the churches are condoning it because they surve the will of the people, not the will of God.
It is actually what the person wants to hear and not what God wants to hear.If the world likes heavy metal,it is according to the flesh,for they know not God,and if they like heavy metal according to the flesh,then it is something of the flesh,and originated from the flesh,so how can it be worship music.

If stealing a car is wrong for it is of the flesh,is stealing a car right,if you go and preach the Gospel of Christ as it gets you around town to reach more people.If heavy metal is of the flesh,is it right if you praise God to that music.

11There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men(Proverbs 30:11-14).


This is the last generation before Jesus takes over the earth,whose attitude will be worse than any other attitude before it.


You can see that it started in the 1960's,with the 1950's lending a little helping hand to get it going in that direction.After the 1960's there was never a people that loved selfishness and arrogance,and fleshy pleasures,drugs,and aggressive music,and loved money to the point of ridiculous.


You will never find in the whole history of mankind,a more fleshy oriented generation than when the 1960's hit and beyond,who will not even obey their parents,but I have to say one thing,a lot of parents do not act with the decency of parents of the past,so it might discourage some children,but nevertheless,for the most part because of our more selfish and arrogant generation,children have not wanted to listen to parents for they do not want to humble themselves like prior to the 1960's.


I believe Metal music is of the flesh,but some want to believe it pleases God,but I'm not trying to bash anybody because of it,or look down on them,or think they do not care for God.I'm only trying to give my perspective of what makes sense concerning that,because it seems like it is of the flesh and not God.

i am with you buddy.
 
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Hmm. And we wonder why people look at Christians and ask, "Why would I want to be one of them?"

Why do we argue about things like this?
Everyone worships God in different ways.
Different styles of music reach out and speak to different people.
Why is that so hard to understand for some people?

And just FYI, I'm not simply "defending metal music" because I like it so much. I rarely listen to it to be honest. I really prefer acoustic stuff and piano and more vocal-focused stuff. My hubby on the other hand writes metal and rock...and electronic stuff like trance and hardstyle...but that's a different story. Haha. But anyways, even though I may not always really like metal music, I am glad there are Christians out there producing that type of music, because God can use it to reach people that bands like Mercy Me (nothing against them at all, btw...I love 'em) will never be played in their CD players/Ipods/whatever.

Phew. Just had to say something.

Oh and P.S.: Becoming the Archetype is one of my hubby's new favorites, hehe. I think they're pretty cool....even though metal isn't exactly my preferred choice. =]
My hubby's actually writing a metal opera right now...it's about the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Good stuff.
when you step into Gods sanctuary you are expected to have reverence,and respect.
do not be conformed to this world.
 
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P-2-BGeekyJess

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Can anyone show me how these lyrics do not God God glory, praise and worship?

And this is how it feels when I ignore the words you spoke to me
And this is where I lose myself when I keep running away from you
And this is who I am when, when I don't know myself anymore
And this is what I choose when it's all left up to me

Breathe your life into me, I can feel you
I'm falling, falling faster
Breathe your life into me, I still need you
I'm falling, falling

Breathe into me
Breathe into me

And this is how it looks when I am standing on the edge
And this is how I break apart when I finally hit the ground
And this is how it hurts when I pretend I don't feel any pain
And this is how I disappear when I throw myself away

Breathe your life into me, I can feel you
I'm falling, falling faster
Breathe your life into me, I still need you
I'm falling, falling

Breathe into me
Breathe into me
Breathe into me
Breathe into me

Breathe your life into me, I can feel you
I'm falling, falling faster
Breathe your life into me, I still need you
I'm falling, falling, breathe into me

Breathe your life into me
I'm falling, falling faster
Breathe your life into me
Falling, falling, falling

Breathe into me
Breathe into me
Breathe into me
Breathe into me, breathe
That is great song! I enjoy listening to CHRISTIAN metal and rock music, there is nothing wrong with it as long as the band and song lyrics give glory to God :)
 
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I was in church and the Lord told me shout Jesus. It was one of those quite churches. I listened to God and shouted Jesus. His presence came on me so strong and he sent me to praying in the spirit and wanted me to shout Jesus more. I obeyed. Was it disrupting the quietness of the church. You better believe it was. Did they wonder if I was crazy? I think so. Did I care what they thought? No. Did I care what God thought? Yes.

My my daughter was at another church wondering if my brother who just died went to heaven or not. She was in trauma. By shouting Jesus, Jesus opened heaven and let my daughter see my brother in heaven. Biblegateway shout and see how many times shout comes up.

I've been hearing songs from people with a depressed spirit in them singing shout
to the Lord in a whisper song so slow so boring it was demonic. We had to lay hands on her and set her free.

Some of this hard rock stuff is not OK and some of it is. Where is your discerning of spirits? Talk to God about it. Some of the slow quite songs are not any good either.

I don't think any of this going back and forth is bring glory to God.
 

Vladimir_Ukr

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An experiment was done by a professor, different genre of music was played to water...yes water, now it was found and documented that heavy metal music utterly destroyed the water molecules or crystals, so what does that prove one may ask, well for a start we are about 70% water...imagine what that music is doing to us...go figure!
Thank you for your information. A very impressive.
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