Struggling with this principle

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
H

Hungry

Banned
#122
Nov 26, 2012
3,095
1,050
113
#122
DBurrage said:
But if God made us what he looks like, wouldn't we did when we look in the mirror, or at eachother?
Click to expand...
If you understand what Gen 1:27 actually translates to then you would understand. It says the gods (elohim) said let us make man in our image, after our likeness. The God of gods is Jehovah. Christ didn’t say Johovah is spirit. He said Theos is spirit. Spirit of Theos is divinity oneness. When Abram saw and ate with Johovah. He wasn’t eating with a spirit. This is what the Bible states without preconception.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#123
#123
Hungry said:
Image means what you look like.
Click to expand...
Image means who we are and what we are

We look nothing like God.. physically. But who we are. and what we are is in the image of God and this includes our free will to chose. Animals do not have this trait
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#124
#124
Hungry said:
If you understand what Gen 1:27 actually translates to then you would understand. It says the gods (elohim) said let us make man in our image, after our likeness. The God of gods is Jehovah. Christ didn’t say Johovah is spirit. He said Theos is spirit. Spirit of Theos is divinity oneness. When Abram saw and ate with Johovah. He wasn’t eating with a spirit. This is what the Bible states without preconception.
Click to expand...
Abraham ate with the spirit of God who took on physical form,

God is spirit. Even Jehovah told moses, if you should look on me you would die. He appeared to moses also as a flame in a bush.. He takes many forms.
 
H

Hungry

Banned
#125
Nov 26, 2012
3,095
1,050
113
#125
eternally-gratefull said:
Image means who we are and what we are

We look nothing like God.. physically. But who we are. and what we are is in the image of God and this includes our free will to chose. Animals do not have this trait
Click to expand...
That is completely based on your assumption. What the text reads is that we were created in the image of the elohim, the heavenly beings. Perhaps there is more evidence scripturally that we and they are not as different as some profess. The sons of elohim (heavenly beings) saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them as wives. Jehovah and two elohim ate with Abra(ha)m. Jacob wrestled with an angel (angels are elohim) which is speculated to be Jehovah(?) which makes no sense, but clearly from the heavens regardless. The NT tells us we may be entertaining angels unaware. Also the Captain of Yahweh’s army in Joshua 5:13-15, Joshua thought at first was a man. Over and over we see Yahweh (Jehovah) and angelic beings being seen as men. In Genesis it declares the elohim (heavenly beings) said “let us make make man in our image” and not once does anyone hold it at face value. The “demons” that some people are often referred to as unclean spirits. There is speculation that these are the disembodied spirits of the Nephalim (hybrids of men and elohim), hence unclean.
 
F

ForestGreenCook

Well-known member
#126
Jul 8, 2018
8,441
1,213
113
#126
John146 said:
I have to stop you there. You can's take a principle of man and determine that's how God works. That's dangerous ground and not biblical.
Click to expand...
It's the other way around. Man has patterned his adopting procedure from God's example.
 
F

ForestGreenCook

Well-known member
#127
Jul 8, 2018
8,441
1,213
113
#127
Roughsoul1991 said:
Not theory. Truth is evident. When scripture calls for belief that is quite evidently calling for choice.
Click to expand...
The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14, cannot choose things that are of a spiritual nature until he has been born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Until that happens, he can only make choices by his natural understanding.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#129
Jan 13, 2016
17,095
3,683
113
#129
ForestGreenCook said:
The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14, cannot choose things that are of a spiritual nature until he has been born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Until that happens, he can only make choices by his natural understanding.
Click to expand...
I'm really beginning to think your bible only contains this one verse. To build an entire doctrine off one verse is dangerous.
 
F

ForestGreenCook

Well-known member
#130
Jul 8, 2018
8,441
1,213
113
#130
John146 said:
And besides, the adoption agency tells you which child is available for adoption. You don't go down there like a pet shop and pick one out of the litter.:LOL:
Click to expand...
Do you base your statements on scripture, or your own analysis?
 
F

ForestGreenCook

Well-known member
#132
Jul 8, 2018
8,441
1,213
113
#132
John146 said:
I'm really beginning to think your bible only contains this one verse. To build an entire doctrine off one verse is dangerous.
Click to expand...
All scripture must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. The scripture in 1 Cor harmonizes with many other scriptures, such as, Eph 1, Eph 2, Matt 16:23, and many more. Do you build your doctrine off of scripture? You seem to make statements without scripture references.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#133
#133
Hungry said:
That is completely based on your assumption. What the text reads is that we were created in the image of the elohim, the heavenly beings. Perhaps there is more evidence scripturally that we and they are not as different as some profess. The sons of elohim (heavenly beings) saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them as wives. Jehovah and two elohim ate with Abra(ha)m. Jacob wrestled with an angel (angels are elohim) which is speculated to be Jehovah(?) which makes no sense, but clearly from the heavens regardless. The NT tells us we may be entertaining angels unaware. Also the Captain of Yahweh’s army in Joshua 5:13-15, Joshua thought at first was a man. Over and over we see Yahweh (Jehovah) and angelic beings being seen as men. In Genesis it declares the elohim (heavenly beings) said “let us make make man in our image” and not once does anyone hold it at face value. The “demons” that some people are often referred to as unclean spirits. There is speculation that these are the disembodied spirits of the Nephalim (hybrids of men and elohim), hence unclean.
Click to expand...
well what you just gave me here is you opinion.

Again, I used moses and his dealings with jehovah as an example
 
F

ForestGreenCook

Well-known member
#134
Jul 8, 2018
8,441
1,213
113
#134
John146 said:
I don't form a theology based upon one verse, but comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Click to expand...
So, in your attempt to dispute the doctrine that I teach, why do you not use scripture references to back up your statements?
 
Chester

Chester

Senior Member
#135
May 23, 2016
4,314
1,442
113
#135
Can I choose to untie my shoe?
Can I choose which way I turn when I come to a crossroad?
Can I choose to refrain from becoming drunk?
Can I choose to accept Jesus as my Saviour?
Can I choose to reject Jesus?

Absolutely yes to all of those. That is quite easy - first grade stuff! I call that having a free will. Maybe someone else defines free will as something else, but that I how I see it . . .

Does God know everything? Absolutely!
Does He know what I will do before I do it? Absolutely
But that has nothing to do with my freedom of choice! God is completely sovereign and I am a creature with free choice.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#137
Jan 13, 2016
17,095
3,683
113
#137
ForestGreenCook said:
So, in your attempt to dispute the doctrine that I teach, why do you not use scripture references to back up your statements?
Click to expand...
I’ve provided several examples from scripture that you do not agree. I guess it’s pointless since we will never come into agreement...king Agrippa being one.
 
H

Hungry

Banned
#138
Nov 26, 2012
3,095
1,050
113
#138
eternally-gratefull said:
Abraham ate with the spirit of God who took on physical form,

God is spirit. Even Jehovah told moses, if you should look on me you would die. He appeared to moses also as a flame in a bush.. He takes many forms.
Click to expand...
First of all Moses wrote an angel appeared to him in the flame of the burning bush. If I speak to you over the phone and you hear my voice, did I come to you in the form of a plastic device. Regardless, i think something is lost in translation because in Ex 33:11 Moses talks to Yahweh face to face. Then a couple verses later in verse 20 when asked to see His glory He says ok but not His face. Now the question, is Yahweh in the form of a man whose glory radiates as awesome, or is just always radiant until He reduces Himself to look like a man?
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

Banned
#139
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#139
Chester said:
Which tribe are you from?
Click to expand...
“But one of the elders said to me, “Do not cry! The Lion from the tribe of Judah, David’s descendant, has won the victory so that he is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”” Revelation 5:5 (EXPNT)
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
#140
Sep 17, 2016
8,837
4,489
113
#140
ForestGreenCook said:
The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14, cannot choose things that are of a spiritual nature until he has been born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Until that happens, he can only make choices by his natural understanding.
Click to expand...
The Spirit or God draws all. How? Romans 1:20 and Roman's 2 speaks on through nature and moral law God draws people unto Himself so that all are without excuse. God wishes that all would be saved. The only thing that would stop God's desire is free will to deny Him.

1 Corinthians 2:14 doesn't say cannot. In less your using some translation that interprets it differently.

A man who rejects God does not "embrace" or "comprehend" the spiritual. That is, he rejects them as folly; he does not perceive their beauty, or their wisdom; he despises them. He loves other things better. He loves himself more than God.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.