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Cameron143

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wow super big stretch to claim that Christ is only referring to the decalogue in Matthew 5:17-19

super false super unsupported claim.

i think we all know why you didn't include verse 31 in your little citation there, yes?

i mean personally i am stupid but even i see that.
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Perhaps his Bible uses a different number base than 10. Is 10 22 in base 4. Not, not, carry the not. I'm cipherin'. Get back to you in a minute.
 

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Perhaps his Bible uses a different number base than 10. Is 10 22 in base 4. Not, not, carry the not. I'm cipherin'. Get back to you in a minute.
hmm good thought, could be.

If that's the case it would be modular arithmetic, so, whatever is left over after he divides it would be all he cares about.

we need to know:
what's he dividing by, and why?
 

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hmm good thought, could be.

If that's the case it would be modular arithmetic, so, whatever is left over after he divides it would be all he cares about.

we need to know:
what's he dividing by, and why?
He's leftly dividing the word of God. You just continue rightly dividing.
 

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Is the Sabbath not a commandment of God? You would need to find that Text
the assertion she made, which is true, is that sabbath is never commanded in the NT.
ergo clearly there is no text to be found: thats exactly the claim.

so if you dispute the point, then you would need to show a NT text commanding ceremonial sabbath cessation of activity to believers.
 

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No, it was a question I asked you and you cannot provide the text for it because it does not exist.



According to the hypocrite scribes and Pharisees, Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Not only them... John said that Jesus broke the Sabbath, too.

John 5:18 (ESV)
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John does not say that they sought to kill Him because they thought that Jesus was breaking the sabbath, but because He was breaking it.
Just my take on it...
 

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There is a Muppet created by Jim Henson in 1966 for an unaired cereal commercial.

The Crown Grabber.


It would later be renamed the Beautiful Day Monster.


There are clowns that will aspire for crowns.
And there are kings that will cast them down.

Have a Beautiful Day! :coffee:
 

mailmandan

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this doesn't say anything about being commanded to mankind to ceremonially observe as law.

that is never found until Exodus 16, given as a commandment as a proof of the disobedience of the people, after their transgression of unbelief.
Amen! Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

If every man from Adam to Moses kept the sabbath, then we should find examples of the sabbath being kept before Moses, but we find none. The Patriarchs were never instructed about the sabbath but were instructed regarding: (Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9). Why would God leave out the sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?
 

mailmandan

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Some of your facts are wrong.

The Law (which includes the 10 Commandments) was a covenant given to Moses and all who were at Sinai only. This is what Moses said and wrote:

"The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive."
Amen! Furthermore, in Nehemiah 9:13, we read - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, through Your servant Moses.

sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)
 

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Plus obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath as the apostles all kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-22for decades after the Cross and will be kept for eternity for God's saints. Isa 66:22-23
In regard to Acts 13:42-44, Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God." 44 On the next sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, "It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Again, Paul's work here was evangelism and not sabbath worship under the law.

In regard to Isaiah 66:22-23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25).

How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Furthermore, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, Sabbatarians don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night, so your argument is moot.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The old and new covenants do not mix.
 

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wow super big stretch to claim that Christ is only referring to the decalogue in Matthew 5:17-19

super false super unsupported claim.

i think we all know why you didn't include verse 31 in your little citation there, yes?

i mean personally i am stupid but even i see that.
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Lets bring in the context........


Matthew 5:17Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

This is a prophecy fulfilled Isaiah 42:21 but fulfilled in Matthew 5:17 . Jesus did not give the law for Him so He could keep, and we can profane. HE is our example to follow and He led by example 1 John 2:6 Hebrews 4:15 John 15:10

Not everything in the law or prophets have been fulfilled like writings of Prophet Isaiah Ezekiel and Jeremiah to name a few and ignore 2 Timothy 3:16 because not everything these Prophets prophesized has been fulfilled so therefore the next verse still applies...

Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

So does that mean we can covet, vain God's holy name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, not if we are to believe Jesus and His teachings- not one jot or one tittle will by NO MEANS pass from the law. Jesus has not come yet, nor have many of the prophecy's in the law and prophets been fulfilled yet so not one change can be made to God's law.

Therefore:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Again, I do not believe least in heaven means one will be there because this clearly shows, not a love for the truth from the very Words of Jesus Christ and instead of trusting and believing His teachings just the way He speaks adding our words to His, is not an example of doing this. Jesus said something similar in Matthew 15 over the same topic that when one teaches/obeys their traditions over the commandments of God and again gives an example directly from the Ten Commandments, says it is the blind leading the blind and both teacher and student ends up in a ditch.

This is a very important principle Jesus is applying to the 10 commandments and gave two as an example and it is how we are to live by the Spirit, not the letter, which is greater than the letter, not lesser.

Jesus is applying the Ten Commandments to our thoughts and feelings as this is where sin (Rom 7:7) starts, and He gives an example of two of them directly quoting from the Ten. This is an example of living the law written in our hearts and minds (NC) giving an example from two commandments but says not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments, which means we are to keep all and apply this teaching/principle to all Mat 5:19. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

What Jesus is teaching here, that we need to change our thoughts before they turn into actions. If we change our thoughts and feelings of contempt and anger toward our neighbor to love and compassion, thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. Jesus is magnifying the law what He came to do Isa 42:21 Jesus is not ending the Ten Commandments clearly if we trust His teachings. The Sabbath commandment is all throughout the NT kept by God's faithful until the end of time. It's something the carnal mind can't understand according to Paul. Rom 8:7-8.

Regarding verse 31:


Furthermore means in addition to but notice how Jesus connects divorce to adultery... the Ten are much greater than what was stated

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [l]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

This is just one of many powerful teachings of Jesus teaching from the Ten Commandments, telling us not to break the "least of " these commandments, so whatever you think is a least commandment, don't break it, and not sure how professed Christians can profess faith, but ignore the plain teachings of Jesus Christ.
 

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SB,

Were you born into a SDA family or did you join the Adventists later in life?
If SabbathBlessing is an SDA, then that explains a lot. I was once in a discussion years ago with an SDA on Christian Chat who made this statement to me below in blue:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

His argument above culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" which is a different gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Also keep in mind that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :cautious:

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)
 

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The fact of the matter is that the Sabbath command was never given in the NT.

So though you claim to go by every Word, you do not. You insert your own.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Even when Sabbatarians today set out to worship on the sabbath, are they truly "keeping the sabbath" as it was kept under the old covenant of law? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant of law would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required today, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So, no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the sabbath day under the law is still in effect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? Churches that enforce sabbath keeping today? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
 

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In regard to Acts 13:42-44, Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God." 44 On the next sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, "It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Again, Paul's work here was evangelism and not sabbath worship under the law.

In regard to Isaiah 66:22-23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25).

How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Furthermore, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, Sabbatarians don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night, so your argument is moot.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The old and new covenants do not mix.
We can explain away all the scripture that is meant for teaching correction and righteousness instead of trusting it as it reads, but that will not do anyone any favors in the long run.

I will leave this for you to consider regarding Isaiah 66:22-23

Isaiah 66:20 Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. 21 And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,” says the Lord.

Isaiah 66:20-21 is a metaphor the people being offered to the Lord in a ceremonially clean vessel (Isaiah 52:11) Some of them would be chosen as priest and Levites as some previously were apostates and lost their lives, but faithful Israel would replace the unfaithful fulfilling the Lords plan to purify Israel (spiritual) and would worship Him properly in His holy Temple (heavenly) which the earthy one was always a copy/miniature of. Hebrews 8:1-4

22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.


The New Moon, just means a new month.

God defines His Sabbath Exodus 20:8-11 Gen 2:1-3 Isa 58:13 and the Sabbath has and will always be about worshipping the Creator, the one True God, instead of worshipping gods that's do not have the power to create that many worship. Keeping the Sabbath is a sign of our allegiance to God the Creator and a memorial to Him Eze 20:20 Exo 20:8-11, the only God that has the power to sanctify Eze 20:12 In heaven the saints will not be worshipping before the Lord 24/7 as many non-Sabbath believers like to claim as a way to discredit the Sabbath the way God defines, as in scripture it shows the saints will be building houses and planting vineyards Isaiah 65:21(working) but on the Sabbath all saints will gather before the Lord to worship Him in His presence, just like His perfect plan in the Garden Gen 2:1-3 before sin corrupted the world.

The New Moon simply means New Month, there is no offerings tied to this verse and we should not add what is not there. There was not a calendar system set up in bible times so they went by the son to determine the months. If Jesus wants a special gathering every new month along with one Sabbath to another- who are we to argue with Him. I can't help but wonder those who do not want to keep God's Sabbath now, would they be happy in heaven where it will last for eternity. God loves us so much He would not want His children unhappy. We are being tested today if we are fit for heaven, sadly, there will be many who say Lord Lord, that Jesus say He will not know as we are know if we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3 which is why He says depart from me Mat 7:23 the Sabbath is about our relationship with God and shows we are worshipping the one true God Eze 20:20
 

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If SabbathBlessing is an SDA, then that explains a lot. I was once in a discussion years ago with an SDA on Christian Chat who made this statement to me below in blue:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

His argument above culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" which is a different gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Also keep in mind that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :cautious:

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)

Salvation is from sin, not in sin Mat 1:21

Do you think the lost live like the saved? Not according to scripture:

Rev 22:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

We are only saved by grace through faith. Keeping God's law is a result of faith.
 

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I see it a bit differently... so, I'm sorry, but your way isn't so clear.
You only quoted a small portion of that Scripture... and added your own ideas to it.

Heb. 4:4-10 (ESV)

4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

The writer of Hebrews seems, to me, to be saying that "Today" is the day to enter into God's rest... not talking about any particular day. And then goes on to say that "God would not have spoken of another day later on." etc.
All that seems to indicate that our Sabbath rest is something other than a particular day of the week.

Add to that, that other Scriptures talks clearly about us not being under the Old Covenant laws including sabbaths, (regardless of Sabbatarians protests against that interpretation.), the idea is clear to me that we are not required to observe Sabbath like the Jews did, under the old covenant.

I understand that you are set in your beliefs... so am I... and others here are as well.
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear SDA's suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Believers have entered in God’s rest through Jesus as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. The rest in Christ that God offers is spiritual and is superior to that which Joshua obtained. Israel's earthly rest was filled with conflict and attacks from their enemies and the daily cycle of work.

The "sabbatismos" rest (Hebrews 4:9) enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son is in contrast with keeping the weekly Sabbath day under the Law.

Although for centuries the Jews had found their physical rest in a day, the New Covenant takes the focus off the shadows of the Old Testament signs and rituals and reveals their spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Christians find complete "sabbatismos" rest in Jesus Christ and not in law keeping.
 

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maybe you shouldn't insist Adam was commanded to ceremonially cease from work every 7 days then.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for Him (and all) Mark 2:27 and if you want to believe Adam and Eve rebelled against God in the Garden on the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 that was made from them, that's a conclusion one could make, but not mine.
 

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Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear SDA's suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Believers have entered in God’s rest through Jesus as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. The rest in Christ that God offers is spiritual and is superior to that which Joshua obtained. Israel's earthly rest was filled with conflict and attacks from their enemies and the daily cycle of work.

The "sabbatismos" rest (Hebrews 4:9) enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son is in contrast with keeping the weekly Sabbath day under the Law.

Although for centuries the Jews had found their physical rest in a day, the New Covenant takes the focus off the shadows of the Old Testament signs and rituals and reveals their spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Christians find complete "sabbatismos" rest in Jesus Christ and not in law keeping.
Christ rest we enter in through faith and those who enter also cease from their works just as God did, on the seventh day. Hebrews 4:4 Hebrews 4:10

In Christ rest there is no rebellion to Him, like profaning the Sabbath as the Israelites did who did not enter Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 and we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience. Heb 4:11

In Christ's rest there is just peace, no rebellion to Him or His commandments

Isaiah 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God kept faithfully by His people until the end of time. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14
 

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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for Him (and all) Mark 2:27 and if you want to believe Adam and Eve rebelled against God in the Garden on the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 that was made from them, that's a conclusion one could make, but not mine.
Sorry I made a mistake.

The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 not Him I tried to edit but it was too late. God hallowed the Sabbath at creation, Man is made in the image of God to follow Him, not to do our own thing which is what led to separation between man and God.