Sunday Worship?

[TMS]

We have free choice.

To keep the sabbath holy or to keep Sunday holy, or to keep nothing holy.

We should all worship and honour the Lord every day and minute.

But when it comes to obeying the Lord, I choose to keep the seventh day holy.

God has never said that the first day was made holy and has never asked us to keep it holy.

History shows that it was changed by man.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

 

[Gideon300]

Well, I identify as skinny!

My bathroom scales keep lying to me though

I lost 5 kg in hospital. I do not recommend pancreatitis as a weight loss program, but it is effective. I was down to my correct weight for height, first time in 30 years. The dietician told me that I was seriously underweight. Go figure. I've had no trouble putting the weight back on.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

I lost 5 kg in hospital.

I have no idea how much that is.

How much is that in American?

I do not recommend pancreatitis as a weight loss program, but it is effective.

I heard in some parts of the world they install a tape word in your intestines and it's very effective.

When you reach your desired weight they remove the tape worm.

Now word if the tape worm is english or metric

 

[Gideon300]

I have no idea how much that is.

How much is that in American?






I heard in some parts of the world they install a tape word in your intestines and it's very effective.

When you reach your desired weight they remove the tape worm.

Now word if the tape worm is english or metric

1 kg = 2.2 lbs. Therefore 11 lbs in the backwards USA. I'm old enough to have grown up with imperial measurements and I've had to juggle conversions for years. I still think feet, miles and inches but comfortable with kgs. A yard of tapeworm? I suppose it depends on what tape measure you use. Terrible pun.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

1 kg = 2.2 lbs. Therefore 11 lbs in the backwards USA. I'm old enough to have grown up with imperial measurements and I've had to juggle conversions for years. I still think feet, miles and inches but comfortable with kgs. A yard of tapeworm? I suppose it depends on what tape measure you use. Terrible pun.

I'm happy with the english system we've been using all along. It wasn't broke and still works just fine.

Out in the country we don't need no stinkin metric system like them yankees use ya know

If I ask for directions and them young whipper snappers tell me it's about 20 kilometers away,
I just ask them "how many cow patties is that anyhow?"

 

[The_old_guy]

Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”

This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.

After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.

Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
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It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.

The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”

Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.

After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.

Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )

Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.

Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.

Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).

Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.

Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.

Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.

Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.

On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.

In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.

[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.

[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.

The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.

It was the common understanding at that time of the phrase "one day and one night" that one part of day meant a whole day. So, part of Friday, a whole Saturday, and part of Sunday equal three days and three nights. It, then, equals three days.

 

[TMS]

No where in the bible has God ever said to keep Sunday holy.
If the yearly festival fell on a Sunday then so be it, but the weekly sabbath is the seventh day, Saturday.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

If the yearly festival fell on a Sunday then so be it, but the weekly sabbath is the seventh day, Saturday.

Not in the New Covenant it's not.

If it was, then we would see correction in the New Testament saying what happens to those that don't have church on Saturday and nothing is said about that.

 

[Inquisitor]

We have free choice.

To keep the sabbath holy or to keep Sunday holy, or to keep nothing holy.

We should all worship and honour the Lord every day and minute.

But when it comes to obeying the Lord, I choose to keep the seventh day holy.

God has never said that the first day was made holy and has never asked us to keep it holy.

History shows that it was changed by man.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

The Sabbath is a day of rest, no work. That's what the commandment states.

Sunday is a day we break the bread and worship Jesus Christ.

Two very different days, Saturday and Sunday.

You seem to confuse these two days.

Sunday does not start on Saturday evening, do you understand this?

Christians do not keep the day itself holy, we gather to worship Jesus Christ.

We don't have a preparation day for Sunday, surely you know this also?

We can cook on a Sunday, there are no rules governing Sunday.

You can work on a Sunday.

The formal Sabbath commandment was not transferred to Sunday.

Christians have no formal commandment concerning Sunday.

You need to sit down and think through what you are talking about.

To keep the sabbath holy or to keep Sunday holy, or to keep nothing holy.

Saturday is a day of rest according to the commandment.

Exodus 20:8-10
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. For six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

The Sabbath is a day of rest, no work. That's what the commandment states.

Where is the in the new testament?

In the new testament, We don't see Jesus or His Apostles teaching anyone to observe Saturday sabbath nor do we see any teachings correcting anyone for not observing Saturday sabbath nor do we see anything that says those not observing Saturday sabbath will be punished in anyway.

In your view do those that don't have church on Saturday go to hell?

 

[Aaron56]

To keep the sabbath holy or to keep Sunday holy, or to keep nothing holy.

There's a fourth option: keep all days holy.

If we are to be holy like our Father we shouldn't consider that He takes days off from holiness, should we?

 

[Stan_the_Man]

There's a fourth option: keep all days holy.

If we are to be holy like our Father we shouldn't consider that He takes days off from holiness, should we?

Exactly like we have been bought with a price, we are not our own so our entire lives should be lived in submission to the Lord resting by walking in faith abiding in Him.

We are not called to rest just one day a week in the new testament because the sabbath has been upgraded for those that belong to Christ where we no longer follow carnal commands like they did under the old testament.

 

[Aaron56]

Exactly like we have been bought with a price, we are not our own so our entire lives should be lived in submission to the Lord resting by walking in faith abiding in Him.

We are not called to rest just one day a week in the new testament because the sabbath has been upgraded for those that belong to Christ where we no longer follow carnal commands like they did under the old testament.

Agreed.

Saying "We are like Jesus" is not completely accurate. We are to have the "mind of Christ". This is His mind and reality AFTER His resurrection. Jesus was born under the law. He died under the law. He was raised as The Christ, One who was never subject to the law. He has only been subject to His Father.

Now, we who are in Christ are also subject to Him since the Father has given Him all authority in Heaven and on earth. As people subject to Him we, too, may only do what our Father is doing. That's our standard of behavior. Currently, our Father is at rest. He has been at rest since the beginning of creation. Today, man may enter that same rest by inclusion into Christ, The Lord and Savior. In this rest there is not more of our own labor, our own work. We do only the work of our Father. This is an every-moment lifestyle.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Where is the in the new testament? View attachment 261496

In the new testament, We don't see Jesus or His Apostles teaching anyone to observe Saturday sabbath nor do we see any teachings correcting anyone for not observing Saturday sabbath nor do we see anything that says those not observing Saturday sabbath will be punished in anyway.

In your view do those that don't have church on Saturday go to hell?

His people were already keeping the Sabbath and the Sabbath rest has always been according to the commandment, even in the New Testament.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
The Sabbath is the seventh day according to the commandment. Exo 20:10


All of the commandments were taught and kept in the NT and Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. I do not think the one commandment God said to Remember as if He knew everyone would forget is a least commandment- the one commandment that is holy and blessed by God that no man can reverse Num 23:20 is least, but even if one thinks it is, Jesus said not to break. Mat 5:19-30

 

[Stan_the_Man]

His people were already keeping the Sabbath and the Sabbath rest has always been according to the commandment, even in the New Testament.

That's odd - nowhere in the New Testament do we see any teaching or instruction s telling us we are required top keep Saturday sabbath. Weird!

And nowhere in the New Testament do we see correction or warnings for not keeping Saturday sabbath. Doubly weird!

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Here's the sabbath in the New Covenant:

Hebrews 4:1-11
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Hebrews 4:1-11
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
v9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Read Heb 4:4 again when God ceased from His works
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Your own post with scripture answers your own question. There are two different rests in this passage, not one.

The seventh day is the Sabbath rest according to God Exo 20:8-11 that didn't end in the NC Luke 23:56

The rest in verse 9 is the Sabbath rest which literally translates into Sabbath-keeping which remains for God's people

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

To enter Christ rest one ALSO ceases from their works as God did from His- on the seventh day. Heb 4:4


Also, thanks for pointing out the New Covenant is based on better promises, not better laws- as God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 and you can't make something perfect more perfect, which is why Sabbath-keeping is shown all throughout the NT for God's people. everyone we are to follow kept the Sabbath- if Jesus kept and is our example to follow, it should be good enough for us.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Sorry, In the new testament, We don't see Jesus or His Apostles teaching anyone to observe Saturday sabbath nor do we see any teachings correcting anyone for not observing Saturday sabbath nor do we see anything that says those not observing Saturday sabbath will be punished in anyway.

You can believe that you must keep Saturday sabbath in order to be saved if you must.

But, that's not taught in the New Testament.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Sorry, In the new testament, We don't see Jesus or His Apostles teaching anyone to observe Saturday sabbath nor do we see any teachings correcting anyone for not observing Saturday sabbath nor do we see anything that says those not observing Saturday sabbath will be punished in anyway.

You can believe that you must keep Saturday sabbath in order to be saved if you must.

But, that's not taught in the New Testament.

Mat 5:18-30 and Mat 15:3-14 covers any question about not keeping the least of God's commandment's. Breaking the Sabbath commandment is no different than breaking any of the other 9 James 2:10-12. God never separated the Sabbath commandment from His holy law, man did. God said to Remember the Sabbath day, man says to forget. My faith is in His every Word.

The law doesn't save, only Jesus saves, the law just shows us our sin and our need for Jesus who has the solution and can change us from the inside out so we can have His righteousness and live the way He lived- our example to follow who kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath.

Thanks for the chat.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Mat 5:18-30 and Mat 15:3-14 covers any question about not keeping the least of God's commandment's. Breaking the Sabbath commandment is no different than breaking any of the other 9 James 2:10-12. God never separated the Sabbath commandment from His holy law, man did. God said to Remember the Sabbath day, man says to forget. My faith is in His every Word.

9 or the 10 commandments are in the New Covenant as commandments.

Observing Saturday sabbath is NOT.

Nowhere in the New Covenant do see see any call to action instructing Christians that they are required to observe Saturday sabbath.

You know this is true because if there a call to action you would have posted it by now but you have not.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

9 or the 10 commandments are in the New Covenant as commandments.

Observing Saturday sabbath is NOT.

Nowhere in the New Covenant do see see any call to action instructing Christians that they are required to observe Saturday sabbath.

You know this is true because if there a call to action you would have posted it by now but you have not.

I would be more concerned where does it say the Sabbath commandment was abrogated by God. Only He can reverse His blessing Num 23:20, man cannot and there is no thus saith the Lord not to keep the Sabbath day holy. All the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane- made for man Mark 2:27 Isa 56:1-6 to bless and sanctify Eze 20:12 as we can't sanctify ourselves and we are to live by His every Word Mat 4:4. Scripture shows the Sabbath rest remains for God's people and Jesus taught not to break the least of the commandments as one would be in fear of sin and judgement. There is no such thing as 9 commandments- God;s wrote Ten Commandment Deut 4:13 The one commandment God said to Remember, is holy and blessed by God and reveals the author of His law and Creator of everything is not a least commandment, but even if one thinks it is Jesus said not to break. Mat 5:19

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough.