Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[Evmur]

Branches (un believing Jews) were broken off...

The focus is about the branches which were broken off and remained unbelievers, they will be cast into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD, as follow:

Revelation 14:v.17 to 20

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which has power over FIRE(For what?); and cried with a loud cry to him that has the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth(Israel); for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth(Israel), and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

The Everlasting Spirit of GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE



Revelation 11:

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Power is/will be given now unto the two witnesses for 1,260 days SIMULTANEOUSLY to the event above, to shut heaven (and there will not be more any chance of salvation of souls) in the days of their prophecy,

power is/will be given over waters -over peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues- , to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles, leaded and guided by the Beast of sea-the Papacy-

according to the deal made between the two Man Beasts, the Pope and the false messiah of the Jews -Revelation 13:v.2-, sat on his throne as God in the great city of Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Terrible. Terrible. Revelation 11:v.3 and 6.


verse 15 - And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and thy wrath -GOD's wrath- is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. (Israel)

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was(will be) seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were (will be) lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Get ready

bah ... admit that you added Israel to those prophecies where it said earth you added Israel

... you didn't ought to do that

 

[Evmur]

Totally agree, they come through the cross the same as everyone else.

They will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him and God will pour upon the whole nation a spirit of compassion and supplication ...hallelujah.

 

[Aldg19]

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[kaylagrl]

No not really. Those who curse Israel will be cursed doesn't mention Christianity. It leave the promise open to all nations.

Look at any nation that has come against Israel. Many of them are in the dust bin of history. Blessing and curses I believe is for anyone who comes against Israel.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Look at any nation that has come against Israel. Many of them are in the dust bin of history. Blessing and curses I believe is for anyone who comes against Israel.

Agree. The Old Testament testifies to this truth.

 

[mailmandan]

America needs to keep supporting Israel.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-ea...stinian-rally-demands-u-s-ends-aid-to-israel/

 

[Nehemiah6]

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-ea...stinian-rally-demands-u-s-ends-aid-to-israel/

Well the disgraced founder of BLM has gone one step better. She is calling for the end of Israel. Which is what Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah have been calling for all along. And Biden is playing both sides against the middle.

But that such rallies can be allowed in America should be shocking to every American. These rallies are calling for the support of ISLAMIST TERRORISTS. So where is the FBI in all of this? The FBI is working hard to support hard-core criminals such as BLM and Antifa (including Biden) and target law-abiding white Americans.

 

[OldSage]

Look at any nation that has come against Israel. Many of them are in the dust bin of history. Blessing and curses I believe is for anyone who comes against Israel.

In what sense?
Egypt - 3500 years later - still alive and well
Syria - 2700 years later - still alive and well
Iran - 2500 years later - still alive and well
Greece - 2300 years later - still alive and well
Rome - 2000 years later - still alive and well

 

[OldSage]

Look at any nation that has come against Israel. Many of them are in the dust bin of history. Blessing and curses I believe is for anyone who comes against Israel.

I don't really understand your argument. We have gone to great pains to show that 'Old Covenant' Israel is still Israel. Are you saying now that Paul is cursed because he explained that Israel is cursed?

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the things written in the book of the law.”

 

[OldSage]

Look at any nation that has come against Israel. Many of them are in the dust bin of history. Blessing and curses I believe is for anyone who comes against Israel.

I mean either this is a biblical issue, and is treated biblically as best we can, or it is secular.

If it is secular, then we can talk of America with its Constitution, its absolute values such as freedom of religion, its heritage and historical antipathy to Europe, and then conclude that in 1945 America should have
created a Jewish state within its territory. For instance, Alaska was a football state, and could easily have been partitioned for Israel.

But it is not a secular issue as we well know.

 

[soberxp]

https://christianchat.com/arab-christian-forum/the-truth-about-muhammad-feedback-appreciated.196621/

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't really understand your argument. We have gone to great pains to show that 'Old Covenant' Israel is still Israel. Are you saying now that Paul is cursed because he explained that Israel is cursed?

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the things written in the book of the law.”

But we are talking about a nation, that God will restore. There is a special place in His heart for Israel the Apple of His Eye. The Jews have been chastised because of disobedience, but they are still the chosen people.

 

[MattforJesus]

The truth is Israel is the Church from Abraham to Jacob, Israel, to David to Jesus to the millennial reign when the kingdom is restored to Israel to the New Jerusalem which the 12 tribes of Israel are written in the 12 gates, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the 12 foundations of the wall.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The Gentile saints belong to Israel.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

I still see the sun, and moon, and stars shining in the sky so Israel shall never cease from being a nation, and they shall not be cast off.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

In what sense?
Egypt - 3500 years later - still alive and well
Syria - 2700 years later - still alive and well
Iran - 2500 years later - still alive and well
Greece - 2300 years later - still alive and well
Rome - 2000 years later - still alive and well

Now I know you are not implying that just because the name is the same that doesn't imply the nation is the same. Is the Soviet Union the same as the Russia we see today?

 

[MattforJesus]

Now I know you are not implying that just because the name is the same that doesn't imply the nation is the same. Is the Soviet Union the same as the Russia we see today?

Everything will be straightened out concerning Israel and the Jews because God is going to send them 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Israel back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again, which means they will always be in the truth from that time forward.

The New Age Christ, antichrist, will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

So it will be all straightened out and Israel will be a kingdom again and they will be in the truth.

 

[Absolutely]

How should we view Americans?

A clinically obese nation
Travellers who talk louder than other nationalities
A hotch-potch of different peoples
People who beat up their political opponents in the street
A group therapy session for the British Royal family
People who you don't argue with over the hedge because you can easily get popped

....all in democrat dominated areas.

......or from democrats everywhere.

But there are obese here and there in my neck of the woods

 

[Absolutely]

Obama being one of the first to say this. But check out my post 1300. When I speak of a Christian nation I speak of foundation and history. Not the current culture. The culture has changed for generations but so far the foundation still stands. It could very soon be uprooted but not yet.

It is hanging by a thread

The obamas are back.

Evil has once again taken over

 

[Absolutely]

amen and the Ten Commandments is right above the Supreme Court Justice where they preside.

The court is bought and paid for.

The rigged and democrat disgraced election , when shown to the supremes was met with binders.
" nothing to see here folks....just move along"

 

[Absolutely]

Huh? Agree. Those scriptures are prophecy of future events that did occur in A.D. 70 it is in other passages where we learn of a tribulation period that is still to come.



The antichrist will be revealed at the start of the 7 year tribulation as he will make a covenant with the people of Israel.

Yes
It is called partial fulfillment

No other way to frame it.

 

[Absolutely]

But we are talking about a nation, that God will restore. There is a special place in His heart for Israel the Apple of His Eye. The Jews have been chastised because of disobedience, but they are still the chosen people.

Exactly
The PURPOSE of the trib is a partial working on his people.
The pretrib rapture ends the church age.
Ac is revealed and begins killing left behind believers.
Now the jews enter jacobs trouble or "Gods meatgrinder"

Without that background there is no understanding.

The bride is gentile. The wayward wife is Jewish.
Ruth/Naomi.

Rev 14 is the Jewish harvest complete with firstfruit Ethnic messianic Jews.

The Jews left behind go into the wrath.

That is the dots properly connected


Jesus redeemed ALL MEN into an invitation. Refuse it and swim in a special warm lake.

But the land redeemed will be connected to the Jew.

That land redemption is future.