Talking against the law is dangerous

[Karraster]

i dont suppose theres any chance of some sort of common ground here is there , has any one really got the message yet ? from me ? what laws are the most important to keep can we establish that much ? can some one please have a sensible reply and answer some questions here its rabit trail galore right now

Messiah said to do as Moses said, and not as the Pharisees. There are lessons in everything Messiah did, from changing the water to wine, which was a slap in the face to the religious leaders, for disobeying their purification law, to healing the man and telling him to pick up his bed a carry it on the Sabbath, which the lame man could not take advantage of preparing for Sabbath the day before, to carry an item belonging to him and place it at various places so they could include that within their realm of (abode), as the religious did, so they were hypocrites! From awaking each morning till going to bed, the laws man added to God's instructions kept one busy! Nothing has changed. Men want to rule, and add burden to burden of what the people must do. Not God. He requires very little. And look what He gives in return!

There are some laws for Levites, some for men, women..some no longer apply because the temple is destroyed. But just because we cannot go to the temple, that certain ones cannot be kept, is that an excuse to say well, we don't do any then? Absurd. We should please God in every way we are able. If you do it for seeming to be pious, that's no good. Do it because you love God.

Read your Bible. Pursue God with all your heart. Teach others to do the same. It is a way of life, not 1 hour on Sunday. Like children, we must learn from scratch, crawl before we walk, practice perfects.

And that is what my answer to your question. I'm quite sure many will not agree.

 

[Karraster]

I was quoting scripture concerning the 'new man', the new creation', the 'new creation' relative to what ZINZERIO.

Now, I wonder why there is no other mention of Paul making a feast in the year and a half that he stayed with Justus? So - yes, he went to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

Wonder what was the last feast any of those proclaiming that we 'must keep the feast' attended?

Regardless how one interprets Paul, does Paul trump God? Does Paul trump Messiah? My answer would be no he does not. So if you and I do not agree on what Paul gave his life teaching perhaps we should agree to disagree.

 

[danschance]

why is that there (though not being myself under the law)in parenthesis?

anyhow, so Paul was a hypocrite? Or some have misunderstood him? It's one or the other. In which case, if you say he taught one thing and lived another, he was a hypocrite...so then to carry that thought a bit further...why in the world would anybody trust a hypocrite?????

Here is the same verse in the KJV

1 Corinthians 9:20-21

King James Version (KJV)

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

The parenthesis are also in the KJV.

No Paul was not being a hypocrite. He was doing his best to draw all kinds of people to Christ according to the great Commission. In the next verse he says it even clearer:

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. ! cor. 9:22 KJV

But as for me, I do not think Paul was a hypocrite, rather his speech is right over your head if you do not study Torah.

KJV 2 Peter 3;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

ISV He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.


Gee..i think the KJV is a bit kinder....

The red highlight above is what is called an "ad hominem" attack, not to mention a possible violation of CC rule number 1. Rather than debate what I said, you sunk to attacking my education, intelligence, bible knowledge and even my character. I am not offended by it as it speaks more of you than me. Yet I feel you should know what Jesus says about passing judgement on others.

For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Matt. 7:2

 

[Karraster]

Here is the same verse in the KJV

The parenthesis are also in the KJV.

No Paul was not being a hypocrite. He was doing his best to draw all kinds of people to Christ according to the great Commission. In the next verse he says it even clearer:




The red highlight above is what is called an "ad hominem" attack, not to mention a possible violation of CC rule number 1. Rather than debate what I said, you sunk to attacking my education, intelligence, bible knowledge and even my character. I am not offended by it as it speaks more of you than me. Yet I feel you should know what Jesus says about passing judgement on others.

I repeat, Paul taught from Torah, and that is why he is hard to understand, and if you do not understand, then I am not to use scripture to prove my point? Report me.

 

[Karraster]

Hide your Bibles people. Some would like to ban them, or at the very least, keep you from quoting them.

 

[danschance]

I repeat, Paul taught from Torah, and that is why he is hard to understand, and if you do not understand, then I am not to use scripture to prove my point? Report me.

Paul taught from the entire Old Testament, not just the Pentateuch (torah). According to standard Christian hermeneutics, the old testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament, not in the light of the Pentateuch. This is widely taught in all major seminaries. The New testament has primacy over all of the Old testament, never the other way around.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Regardless how one interprets Paul, does Paul trump God? Does Paul trump Messiah? My answer would be no he does not. So if you and I do not agree on what Paul gave his life teaching perhaps we should agree to disagree.

I don't think that I said that I didn't agree with what Paul wrote. Does Paul trump God? or Jesus Christ? I believe he received revelation to write the epistles he wrote so he basically is a spokes person for Jesus Christ.

For I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1:11,12

Okay.

 

[Karraster]

King James Bible1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;


Thanks to a member, who will remain unnamed, for he has threatened me with a sad report to the cc police, I have learned that I was correct in that what I saw in the parenthesis was not in my Bible.

And it is very true indeed, that our Christian Bibles are being corrupted more and more. Be careful which translation you use, they don't all say the same thing.

Thank God though, Torah still exists as it has in the Hebrew, and on that we can be sure.

 

[JGIG]

Actually it just reinforces all the other scripture . . . But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace . . . . The law of the 'spirit' sets us free from the claims of the Law. The law of the 'spirit' fulfils the righteous requirements of the Law.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matt. 5:17

So the Light came - the shadows receded - and the Law contained in ordinances have been fulfilled.

"The law of the 'spirit' sets us free from the claims of the Law?" Do you have a scripture to confirm this statement?

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


Galatians 5:18
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.


Romans 8:5-11
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.


Galatians 5:18
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.


Romans 8:7-8
7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


Galatians 5:18
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

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Romans 8:9-11
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.


Galatians 5:18
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
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-JGIG

 

[Timeline]

why is that there (though not being myself under the law)in parenthesis?

anyhow, so Paul was a hypocrite? Or some have misunderstood him? It's one or the other. In which case, if you say he taught one thing and lived another, he was a hypocrite...so then to carry that thought a bit further...why in the world would anybody trust a hypocrite?????

But as for me, I do not think Paul was a hypocrite, rather his speech is right over your head if you do not study Torah.

KJV 2 Peter 3;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

ISV He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.


Gee..i think the KJV is a bit kinder....

I Cor. 9 :19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Paul says here, quite plainly, that he is not under the law. But that he will subject himself to the law so that he can reach the person that is under the law.

1 Cor 10:23-33 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; for the earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains. If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.

Here Paul says that you can do something that would cause a brother to fall if you have not asked, but if they tell you do not eat because it will cause them to stumble.

Acts 23:1-5 Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day.” The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?” But the bystanders said, “Do you revile God’s high priest?” And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’

Do you believe Paul did not know what position Ananias held? Think about this. This is Paul - He knew where he was, what was happening and who was giving the order for him to be struck. He said this because ultimate goal is to save and if you offend the listener they will shut down and will refuse to hear you. I must mention here that it wasn't really a lie because Jesus is the High Priest; but it was deceptive.

Luke 16:1-9 Now He was also saying to the disciples, “There was a rich man who had a manager, and this manager was reported to him as squandering his possessions. And he called him and said to him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an accounting of your management, for you can no longer be manager.’ The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do, since my master is taking the management away from me? I am not strong enough to dig; I am ashamed to beg. I know what I shall do, so that when I am removed from the management people will welcome me into their homes.’ And he summoned each one of his master’s debtors, and he began saying to the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’ Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’ And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light. And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, they will receive you into the eternal dwellings.

 

[JGIG]

How is it that quoting parts of scripture that was written by a man who taught Torah, lived Torah and took a Nazarite vow (Acts 18:18) helping make your claim the law no longer is necessary for us to do?

Acts 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus..... Oops, looks like he kept the feasts also, as did all the disciples of Jesus and also Jesus did too, so...
but we don't have to...we got grace

seriously?

Karraster, Galatians documents that there were a number of YEARS when Paul did not keep the Feasts.

It's a great read! You should spend more time there .

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Apostles where killed for preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, "and the faith of Jesus."
So it is both, not just one

The commandments of God after the Cross are these:

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

Those who are in Christ are released from the Law, the Old Covenant (Released/Delivered From the Law and Christ is the End of the Law – Getting Greeky About Romans 7, 10, and Ephesians 2).

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Good point. The commandments of God are also the same as the commandments of Jesus.

The commandments of God after the Cross are these:

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

Those who are in Christ are released from the Law, the Old Covenant (Released/Delivered From the Law and Christ is the End of the Law – Getting Greeky About Romans 7, 10, and Ephesians 2).

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Did he take future sins away too ? if your answer is yes which it should be would that imply he takes are future sins away without us knowing hmm ? YES NO

Think: Where were all your sins at the time of the Cross?

In the future.

Here's what you're missing:

ALL sins for all time were dealt with at the Cross.

Forgiveness was given to mankind in order that the message of reconciliation could go out to all:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (from 1 Jn. 2)

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. (from 2 Cor. 5)


8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! (from Rom. 5)

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or does that mean if we dont sin no more then what is there to take away and how do we not sin no more hmm ? would that be by not BREAKING ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS what God say ,, hmm he say if you love you will keep my commandment he not say if you love me you will throw away my commandment.

If you're saying that we avoid sinning by keeping the commandments (and I think that's what you were trying to say above), then you're basing your righteousness on what you did and not on the gift of righteousness in Christ, which is the very righteousness of God (see 2 Cor. 5:21). God's righteousness is incorruptible; your righteousness is fleeting at best. God knew you needed His righteousness because you are not able to keep all of the Law all of the time, which is the standard of perfection required by the Law to avoid sinning (see Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

why do you say nope to my belief do you feel you can follow the commandments by your self ?

or do you feel you would need God to help you to do that,

Is breaking one of the commandments a sin ?

if your answer is yes which it is then are you like me not following the sabbath ?
Personally now that i know i will have to work on a Sunday

Breaking Old Covenant commandments is sin. That's why, in Christ, we have died to the Old Covenant (the Law).

• Released/Delivered From the Law and Christ is the End of the Law – Getting Greeky About Romans 7, 10, and Ephesians 2

And the Sabbath isn't Sunday. It's sundown Friday (the sixth day) to sundown Saturday (the Seventh day).

But if you're in Christ, you have a Sabbath Day Rest - not limited to one day, but every day, 24/7.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Paul taught from the entire Old Testament, not just the Pentateuch (torah). According to standard Christian hermeneutics, the old testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament, not in the light of the Pentateuch. This is widely taught in all major seminaries. The New testament has primacy over all of the Old testament, never the other way around.

Another way to put it is this:

There is a Law of Gravity.

Everyone is under it. I

f we live on Earth, we are subject to the Law of Gravity, yes?

If we are in an aircraft, flying through the air, does the Law of Gravity cease to exist?

No.

But because we are in that aircraft, the Law of Gravity is overcome by the Law of Lift, and we trust in the aircraft to carry us safely to our destination.

It's the same with the Law and the position of believers in Christ.

The Old Covenant doesn't cease to be, but those who are in Christ are not subject to the Old Covenant Law, because New Covenant Grace supersedes Old Covenant Law just as the Law of Lift overcomes the Law of Gravity.

It's not a perfect metaphor (few are), but may help some to understand a bit more what it means to be in Christ.

-JGIG

 

[danschance]

Think: Where were all your sins at the time of the Cross?

In the future.

Here's what you're missing:

ALL sins for all time were dealt with at the Cross.

Forgiveness was given to mankind in order that the message of reconciliation could go out to all:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (from 1 Jn. 2)

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. (from 2 Cor. 5)


8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! (from Rom. 5)

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If you're saying that we avoid sinning by keeping the commandments (and I think that's what you were trying to say above), then you're basing your righteousness on what you did and not on the gift of righteousness in Christ, which is the very righteousness of God (see 2 Cor. 5:21). God's righteousness is incorruptible; your righteousness is fleeting at best. God knew you needed His righteousness because you are not able to keep all of the Law all of the time, which is the standard of perfection required by the Law to avoid sinning (see Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).




Breaking Old Covenant commandments is sin. That's why, in Christ, we have died to the Old Covenant (the Law).

• Released/Delivered From the Law and Christ is the End of the Law – Getting Greeky About Romans 7, 10, and Ephesians 2

And the Sabbath isn't Sunday. It's sundown Friday (the sixth day) to sundown Saturday (the Seventh day).

But if you're in Christ, you have a Sabbath Day Rest - not limited to one day, but every day, 24/7.

-JGIG

I checked out you site, very nice and accurate. I will read more of it when I get time.

 

[Karraster]

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[TR]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law--though I myself am not under the law--to win those under the law.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Does anybody see a difference here?

In my Bible Paul is not a hypocrite. In some of the Bibles he is. Clearly we are not reading the same Bible, but feel free to think Paul taught one way and lived another.


Timeline, don't know why you didn't finish Luke 16, that's one of my favorite chapters!
Here's the second half, because it get's even better!!

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. The Law and the Prophets

(Matthew 11:7-19; Luke 1:5-25; Luke 7:24-35)
14And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.



ooops, guess that last line was a bit...inconvenient.

 

[Karraster]

I checked out you site, very nice and accurate. I will read more of it when I get time.

Yeah, I did recognize you both use the same material.

 

[Timeline]

[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="class: even"]To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law--though I myself am not under the law--to win those under the law.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Does anybody see a difference here?

In my Bible Paul is not a hypocrite. In some of the Bibles he is. Clearly we are not reading the same Bible, but feel free to think Paul taught one way and lived another.


Timeline, don't know why you didn't finish Luke 16, that's one of my favorite chapters!
Here's the second half, because it get's even better!!

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. The Law and the Prophets

(Matthew 11:7-19; Luke 1:5-25; Luke 7:24-35)
14And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.



ooops, guess that last line was a bit...inconvenient.

I know you will not accept this, but I believe that the earth and heaven mentioned here have already passed away (so for me it is not inconvient at all).

 

[Timeline]

I know you will not accept this, but I believe that the earth and heaven mentioned here have already passed away (so for me it is not inconvient at all).

Gen 1:6 Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


Rev 17:15 And he *said to me, “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

I believe that the heaven and earth mentioned in Matt 5:18, as well as the others you mentioned, was referring to God establishing Israel as his people - over the gentile. When Jesus died a new system, if you will, was set up. Now you do not need to be a Jew or a slave of a Jew that has been accepted into his family by having an awl hammered into your ear. Anyone can accept Jesus.
Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

John 17:4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.

John 19:30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

If you do not sacrifice animals to God you are not following the law. If you say that animal sacrifices are no longer required because Jesus died and was raised, then you believe that a least some of the law has been fulfilled. Do you consider a woman unclean for seven days (I believe it was) after she stops bleeding and that everthing that she sits on becomes unclean. Have you stoned anyone for blaspheming, or cursing their parents, or working on the Sabbath, or do you go to a priest to look at spots on your skin, etc. If you break any of the law, you are guilty of all. I am not saying this to judge you, but to let you know that you are free in Jesus. Not to sin, but to do the will of our God without condemnation when we fail.