Talking against the law is dangerous

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

jag1977 said:

The bible has to be read over and over
First by grace or a need ...faith and law dominate/being filled with the spirits(sons of god)
Second by knowledge ...clean and unclean to receive the hidden laws
Third by resurrected wisdom and teachings of the hidden laws
Fourth by SPIRITUAL understanding

Clean and unclean letters hence words are the key to unlocking the spiritual understanding. Leviticus gives some instruction as well as Samuel. Choosing to Passover unclean words is not ignoring the word of god, its following the word of god. The words remain nothing is changed

Nothing has been predetermined in the mind. I first meet THEE, THY brother of THOU. WE THY brothers fall. Removed from God WE seek comfort in US(babel) speaking ONE language of understanding. US removed by God manifest WE again eventually back to THOU in the ten commandments. THEN WE find OURSELVES where YOU and YOUR brothers reside, HE HIM HER SHE ME MY I etc...

Spirits...THEE THY THEY THOU HE I WHO OUR US HIS WE WHOSOEVER SON THEN SHE HIM IT etc...The most difficult part in enlightenment was realizing words have power over the way I read and understand.... spirits fill us (we sometimes feel like the word of God is speaking to us on a personal level) and we fill the spirits with some of our understanding such as previous knowledge or scriptures. as; WE so loved Jesus Christ, HE is the Son of God. "WE" has no meaning, "HE" has no meaning, "SON of God" has no meaning. It is YOU that cleaves unto and carries "Jesus Christ" into "HE" Giving rise to "Son of God" aka Jesus Christ now, in an unclean mind. Look at 15 below WHOSOEVER shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God. WHOSOEVER is the spiritual level you are experiencing. Enlightenment is the next part of the sentence...God dwelleth in HIM, and HE in God. "He" is the son of god, also, "Him" is the son of god. There are many sons of god and I have listed right many. Brothers in Christ.

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

I like the scripture you quoted but I don't quite understand some of what you said.
These are the things you said that I don't understand. please explain.

"Choosing to Passover unclean words is not ignoring the word of god, its following the word of god."

"we fill the spirits with some of our understanding such as previous knowledge or scriptures."
In this you address spirits as plural. question mark on that one.

"It is YOU that cleaves unto and carries "Jesus Christ" into "HE" Giving rise to "Son of God" aka Jesus Christ now, in an unclean mind."

HEIsRiSen · Mar 28, 2014

Danschance, this is the passage I was referring to:

Matthew 22

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

HEIsRiSen said:

To what standards do you go by to exercise your love? What are your instructions on how to love?

Grandpa · Mar 28, 2014

just-me said:

The Lord Jesus said that His Words are Spirit and they are Life.

The apostle Paul says that the Ministry of Death is carved in stones. Paul further says that the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

The adversary is the flesh and the carnal mind. Thinking that the answers are held in the letters of a book. While this is partially true only the Spirit can unlock the understanding of those letters written in the book.

As Christians our focus isn't on the law or the letter. Our focus is on what made us Christians in the first place. The Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:2-7
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

I love the bible. The whole thing. But I'm not searching for a religion. I'm searching for what the Disciples and the Prophets of the OT had. The Way to God. And I've found Him. Or rather, I have been found by Him. His Name is Jesus Christ.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

danschance said:

So are you endorsing that you cannot severe God unless you deny Christ? Or maybe you cannot serve Christ unless you deny God? I am only endorsing that in Christ you serve both, and all of what God has said from the beginning of time is relevant for today. Just because there is an Old and New Covenant doesn't make some of what God has ever said irrelevant. Does that make the law a threat? All I'm saying is that the law is relevant for us today for God's children as we are. Why do some fight that concept? I'm not advocating the physical aspects thereof. I never have done that. Why the presumptions?

HEIsRiSen · Mar 28, 2014

just-me said:

There are a couple sources from which I draw my standards, one of them being the ten commandments: to me this was instruction on how to love God and love our neighbor (Exodus 20:3-17)

The other source being in Paul's letter to Corinth (1 Corinthians 13: 4-7)

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

Grandpa said:

Absolutely!!! AMEN!!!

jag1977 · Mar 28, 2014

just-me said:

"Choosing to Passover unclean words is not ignoring the word of god, its following the word of god."

Find the lifesaver/life preserver and understanding follows

"we fill the spirits with some of our understanding such as previous knowledge or scriptures."
In this you address spirits as plural. question mark on that one.

Spirits...THEE THY THEY THOU HE I WHO OUR US HIS WE WHOSOEVER SON THEN SHE HIM IT etc...

"It is YOU that cleaves unto and carries "Jesus Christ" into "HE" Giving rise to "Son of God" aka Jesus Christ now, in an unclean mind."
I put this up as an example...WE so loved Jesus Christ, HE is the Son of God....Just because this sentence at first glance carries one meaning doesn't mean you take it in as truth. It is actually two statements written together to cover the underlying meaning. #1. We so loved Jesus Christ #2. HE is the Son of God; two unrelated statements hidden by the spirit of god, HE.

john832 · Mar 28, 2014

p_rehbein said:

So, if we quote the words of Jesus Christ, or the Apostle Paul we are wrong?

First Covenant: The Law was a "carnal" oriented Covenant........requiring "physical works."

New Covenant: Grace is a "spiritual" oriented Covenant........requiring "belief/faith."

Law/works are the "carnal" part of Scripture
Grace/faith/belief are the "spiritual" part of Scripture.

.................goodness.................

The 9[SUP]th[/SUP] Chapter of Hebrews truly explains the First and New Covenants quite well. If you read and understand it, you will have gone a long way to answering all of your questions concerning the Two Covenants.

Well, can I quote Paul?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

john832 · Mar 28, 2014

HEIsRiSen said:

Better be careful there, telling someone there are absolutes and God defines right and wrong is not too popular these days.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2014

john832 said:

and how did he know he was sold under (a slave) to sin?

And more importantly. How did he know he was no longer a slave to sin (sold under)

john832 · Mar 28, 2014

Grandpa said:

Well, whaddya know, we agree on something...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

HEIsRiSen said:

Mine are the principles in the law, along with what you present, and I agree with.

Leviticus 19:1-18 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deuteronomy 13:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

I ask all who read these commandments that are in the law. "Is there something wrong with endorsing these as truth?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2014

just-me said:

Just-me.

I told you I was not going to go away. Your not ignoring me, Your just refusing to answer. But that is nothing new under the sun, You have been doing it since you first Got here

And your right, I am not posting for you. I am posting for all the people who could be led astray by your consistant law teaching.

Grandpa · Mar 28, 2014

chubbena said:

The law doesn't protect anyone. The law is attempting to curb the behaviour of the lawless, those who continually break the law. But it doesn't. It doesn't have that power. What it can do is cause fear. Fear of the consequences of breaking it. But, as you have probably seen, fear of consequences doesn't stop the lawless from breaking laws.

Those who are honest and good do honest and good things therefore not needing a law to tell them not to do bad things.

Honesty and goodness are much more powerful than law. There is no fear in honesty and goodness. There is no condemnation in honesty and goodness. There is no law against honesty and goodness.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 28, 2014

posthuman said:

they do not get that. No matter how many times they have been shown it..

But nice analogy of what they teach. Thanks Bud!

john832 · Mar 28, 2014

posthuman said:

Uh, Paul seemed to think so...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

just-me · Mar 28, 2014

jag1977 said:

If I am reading you right, are there unclean words in the Bible that we should "Passover?"

john832 · Mar 28, 2014

HEIsRiSen said:

Uh, OK...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

chubbena · Mar 28, 2014

Grandpa said:

Just so there's no misunderstanding, here's the passage of the ministry of death:
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

My understanding is, those who have turned to the Lord could read Moses i.e. the law, with the veil, which once covered the heart, removed. The written letters, which were the spoken word of God, would no longer kill but give freedom from sin instead.
The way it was supposed to be.

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