TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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Cameron143

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cv5 said:
No, but you twist the intended understanding with respect to eschatology. Clearly.
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Well...at least I know what shortly means. I'm sure with your encouragement I'll no doubt get better.
 
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You fail to understand that OT eschatology and the vast percentage of the book of Revelation revolves around.....

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE CERTAIN AND FUTURE REDEMPTION OF THE NATION ISRAEL, HIS WIFE!

This Israel who you think has been cast into the dustbin of doom forever back in 70AD.
And the entire NT is written for the Church.

Absolute hogwash. And screams of Biblical illiteracy and heresy.
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I disagree with that being the message of Revelation. Rather, Revelation concerns itself with the end of the old covenant, the consequences for Israel for not fulfilling the terms of the covenant, and God's plan of moving forward with a new and everlasting covenant. But your understanding of the book does reveal why you believe as you do.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I disagree with that being the message of Revelation. Rather, Revelation concerns itself with the end of the old covenant, the consequences for Israel for not fulfilling the terms of the covenant, and God's plan of moving forward with a new and everlasting covenant. But your understanding of the book does reveal why you believe as you do.
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Exactly. And this "kicking Israel to the curb cuz they broke the old covenant" business (that God foresaw in eternity past DUH!) is where you dived off into the weeds of heretical doctrine.

You try and show me one verse that declares that God has cast Israel off forever, and I will show you HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS that says He will redeem them, THE SONS OF JACOB, TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL yet future, using the Great Tribulation and terror of the AC to do it.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Well...at least I know what shortly means. I'm sure with your encouragement I'll no doubt get better.
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Wrong again buddy.

SHORTLY (en tachos) is meant to convey "in quickness".

But what you think it means is that which all of the Biblical illiterates think so you are in good company.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly G5034 come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Rev 22:6
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly G5034 be done.
 
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Yawns we have been in the great tribulation since the death of Jesus, the great tribulation of the battle of souls

It only gets greater because population increases with more children of God growing Gods kingdom on earth
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said the symbols were difficult to understand. Nothing I said in the post you quoted is incorrect. All the imagery in Revelation comes from the OT. It's not new language to a first century Jew. I quite imagine it wasn't lost on them. But OT people are often used typically to show some aspect of Christ. Their history is factual; but also typical of spiritual reality. For instance, David's throne being eternal isn't about David. It's about Christ.
Revelation 1:1 is a great verse. It gives the time frame for the book. In case someone misses this, God was gracious to include verses 3 and 7.
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In the language they used are you meaning when Isaiah said in 13:6 that the day of the Lord was NEAR between 740-700bce? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/13.htm
 
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Exactly. And this "kicking Israel to the curb cuz they broke the old covenant" business (that God foresaw in eternity past DUH!) is where you dived off into the weeds of heretical doctrine.

You try and show me one verse that declares that God has cast Israel off forever, and I will show you HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS that says He will redeem them, THE SONS OF JACOB, TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL yet future, using the Great Tribulation and terror of the AC to do it.
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What covenant exists or will exist by which God will deal with solely the nation Israel?

The new covenant doesn't forbid Jews. It just doesn't differentiate people...no Jew or Greek, only the new man.
 
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cv5 said:
Wrong again buddy.

SHORTLY (en tachos) is meant to convey "in quickness".

But what you think it means is that which all of the Biblical illiterates think so you are in good company.

Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly G5034 come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Rev 22:6
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly G5034 be done.
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How about verse 3 and 7. How do you suppose those that pierced Him see Him? What does Jesus mean when He says...this generation?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Lots of questions with these answers, but what was the mystery revealed?
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The mystery is God's plan to undo all of the damage done to creation by Satan and his angels. And to redeem mankind from the wages of sin. And bring in the everlasting Kingdom of God to rule over the earth.
 
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The mystery is God's plan to undo all of the damage done to creation by Satan and his angels. And to redeem mankind from the wages of sin. And bring in the everlasting Kingdom of God to rule over the earth.
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I don't disagree with all this. But I'm sure we differ as to how. How is God doing these things?
 
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iamsoandso said:
Well in Joel 3:14(520-500 bce so after the captivity) was that the day of the Lord when it was NEAR and all the nations were judged? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/joel/3.htm
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Do you know that the nations weren't judged? Isaiah also speaks of the nations being judged? Were they?
Are you suggesting that all these passages are speaking to the end of time? Only to the end of time? That no judgment has come upon nations throughout history?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I don't disagree with all this. But I'm sure we differ as to how. How is God doing these things?
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It is too complex to give a comprehensive answer. But as far as completion, according Revelation 10:7, the timing will be in the days when the seventh angel (of the 7 trumpet angels of Revelation 8) sounds.

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The first action will be to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. As God then begins dismantling Satan's kingdom to exist no more. And then cast Satan himself into the bottomless pit prison.

At the outset of the millennium, Jesus will then restore the earth from the damage incurred during the great tribulation. And reward the saints to reign and rule with Him.
 
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Do you know that the nations weren't judged? Isaiah also speaks of the nations being judged? Were they?
Are you suggesting that all these passages are speaking to the end of time? Only to the end of time? That no judgment has come upon nations throughout history?
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Are you meaning after the 1000 years when the Devil is loosed and he deceives the nations? Do you believe it is past?
 
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douggg said:
It is too complex to give a comprehensive answer. But as far as completion, according Revelation 10:7, the timing will be in the days when the seventh angel (of the 7 trumpet angels of Revelation 8) sounds.

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The first action will be to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. As God then begins dismantling Satan's kingdom to exist no more. And then cast Satan himself into the bottomless pit prison.

At the outset of the millennium, Jesus will then restore the earth from the damage incurred during the great tribulation. And reward the saints to reign and rule with Him.
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So how does your timetable relate to Luke 10:18?
 
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iamsoandso said:
Are you meaning after the 1000 years when the Devil is loosed and he deceives the nations? Do you believe it is past?
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I'm asking why you believe what is written concerning judgment in the OT didn't occur shortly after it was spoken?
I do believe it could have future fulfillment as well, but I see no reason to assume it didn't also occur in a near time frame as well. This is what I was asking about.
 
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Cameron143 said:
So how does your timetable relate to Luke 10:18?
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Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Satan got hit with a haymaker to the left jaw and he fell to the canvas, when the seventy disciples began casting out demons. Back at the time Jesus sent them to preach the kingdom of God was at hand.

Differently, in Revelation 12:7-9, Michael and his angels will make war with Satan and his angels in the second heaven. And Satan and his angels cast down to earth, in the end times. Michael's actions corresponds to Daniel 12:1.

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
 
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