THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."

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Apostol2013

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THE BIBLE SAYS "THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON
THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom. 10:13.
but realize and use logic of the word and your judgement solely to the word whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved then in like manner when a political refugee seeking refuge must abide by the rules of the country we must also in likeness take full abidance in the kingdom of heaven in full righteousness a fruit for thought i hope this was helpfull AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SPARKS OF YOUR OPINIONS OVER THIS MATTER " AMEN

 
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How can one who is dead call upon the name of the Lord and be saved ?
 

Apostol2013

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Explain i am not understanding your question clearly
 
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How can one who is dead call upon the name of the Lord and be saved ?
Through a spirit quickened by grace through faith. It is enabled via a gift of GOD; not something done of our dead nature.
 

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TheLord has to come upon us to guide us to accept the truth that He is the Lord. Without the Lord we can not accept Jesus as Lord.
 

Apostol2013

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It is only logical that in order to accept christ you must believe that he is it is Gods spirit that is correct brought by his grace but then comes truth
 

Hizikyah

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Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Daniyl 10:12, "Then he said to me; Fear not, Daniyl, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to chasten yourself before your Father, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words."

We see whan Daniyl called out he was heard, but what if he would have rejected what Yahweh had for him, would all have been blessed still? In my view simply saying a sentence is not enough, it takes something inside you. Calling out is the first step, but what if one quenches the Holy Spirit the next day, and does not accept and follow what Yahweh has for them? Are they still saved?

Isayah 29:13, "Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men."

This verse shows me simple lip service without it being in your heart is useless.

Mattithyah 7:13-14, "Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it.

"Few the are who find it," If everybody that has ever been to a Billy Graham revival is actually saved then, "Few the are who find it," could not be true.

Now I want to illustrate how "blasphemeing" Yahweh's Name is more then just verbal.

Deuteronomy 15:30, "But the person who sins presumptuously and defiantly, whether he is native-born or is a stranger, that one brings reproach on Yahweh and blasphemes Him. That person must be cut off from his people."

1 Samuyl 3:13, "For I have told him that I will judge his house forever for the iniquity he knew about. His sons blasphemed Yahweh, and he did not stop them."

Proverbs 30:7-9, "Two things I request of You (do not deny them to me before I die): Remove vanity and lies; deceit, far from me, and give me neither poverty nor riches, but feed me with food prescribed for my portion; Or I may be full and deny You, and say: Who is Yahweh? or I may be poor, and steal, and profane the Name of my Father Yahweh."

In the same way is calling out more then just verbal? (question) The Names of Yahweh and Yahshua are more than just names, they are their authority also. Anyone can come to you in any name, however you will know them by their fruits. One can come in the Name of the Messiah, however if they do everything gainst what He says, they are REALLY NOT walking or coming in His Name. Also I think this important to take inwardly for self evaluation, I apply this to myself that is.

Exodus 34:5-7, "Then Yahweh descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the Name of YAHWEH. Yahweh passed in front of him, and proclaimed: YAHWEH, YAHWEH Almighty, merciful and compassionate, longsuffering, and abounding in righteousness and truth. Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression, and sin; but by no means leaving unpunished those who are guilty."

I dont know if I properly explained my view, but I see it as an important topic, and one not touched by most.
 
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Through a spirit quickened by grace through faith. It is enabled via a gift of GOD; not something done of our dead nature.
Well, if a person has not been born again, thats all he or she is but a dead nature.

One must first be quickened to life in order to call upon the Name of the Lord Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

That word quicken is the word chayah and means:

to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health

One is made Alive by New Birth, so until one is born again, they cannot Call upon the Name of the Lord.
 
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Well, if a person has not been born again, thats all he or she is but a dead nature.

One must first be quickened to life in order to call upon the Name of the Lord Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

That word quicken is the word chayah and means:

to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health

One is made Alive by New Birth, so until one is born again, they cannot Call upon the Name of the Lord.
The first thing that God does for the sinner is bring conviction into his heart through the word and the Holy Spirit. That conviction represents the gospel and it is a measure of faith given by grace to the sinner. The sinner can respond to that conviction and call upon the name of the Lord or they can reject it and remain in unbelief. Either way God drew them to his Son through that conviction and it is the sinner's job to take that faith and believe upon Christ. The sinner does not become a new creature in Christ nor is he born anew until he believes and calls upon the name of Christ. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of the gospel. The sinner is saved and justified by grace through faith in the message of the gospel that comes by way of conviction.
 
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Hoffco

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Good Morning Apostol2013, Soooo, you would "love" to see our "sparks" over this Word, "whosoever", "solely". You look like a man,who could handle our "sparks". And I won't try your motive, I will assume it is godly. Soooo, my opinion on "whosoever" is whosoever.(Period !) now, what else who you like to know about that verse? I will go back and see if the thread has gone any where with your wish, the first few were very good reading and I am sure I will get my answer from the posts,posted so far. God bless. Hoffco
 
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How can one who is dead call upon the name of the Lord and be saved ?
How can you determine someone is dead and not saved?

What makes you think you aren't? Is there a secret handshake you are given from God?
 
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The posts were excellent until I got to the muddy water of BradC post #9 BradC is into the "free will" of man that over rides the "FREE GRACE", the "FREE WILL" of GOD. As usual, The free will notion, destroys the Grace of God. BUT, hear me out, please. The sinful nature over rules God's grace, UNTIL, God says, enough will your rebellion, sinner, NOW, MY GRACE will over power you into LIFE eternal. Then, GOD'S GRACE, becomes "Irresistible", and God makes the sinner, who believes the truth,(thru faith) alive,BORN of GOD. Paul want the Christians to know that it was GOD'S GRACE and MERCY, that saved them, yes, "thru faith" and "unto good works" , BUT, in reality, It was GOD'S GRACE that saved them, not faith or works. Humanistic Christians are shaming our great GOD who saves us by GRACE:pOWER and LOVE. Love to all Hoffco
 

Hizikyah

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I dont want to add too many of my own words here, but i do want to point out that this is for the children of Yahweh, as it tells us if we were not His children we would recieve no correction from Him. Othere than that I dont want to put a "commentary" over this.

My question for posting this is how does this compliment the main topic?

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of
Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father eYahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our
profit, that we might be partakers of fHis holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous;
nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."
 
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Well, if a person has not been born again, thats all he or she is but a dead nature.

One must first be quickened to life in order to call upon the Name of the Lord Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

That word quicken is the word chayah and means:

to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health

One is made Alive by New Birth, so until one is born again, they cannot Call upon the Name of the Lord.
Two thoughts for an aside to your comment.

Born Again has as many different definitions as Christian does. It's become a meaningless word, a Christian cliche. In the history of the Church, the ante nicene fathers don't have any conversations about being born again that I can think of.

In fact, the "born again" that most people think of today has only been in existence for about 200 years. It started after John Wesley's time in the States, and one of his disciples noted people having this profound, earth shattering, emotional uplifting type experience. And he deemed that was what born again was like.

In all of the History of the Church, the "born again" phrase was never described like that THAT I AM AWARE OF, and even if it was, it was a person saying it, vs a movement teaching it.

I don't' disagree with enough of anything you said to make note of it. But the way born again is used, people sling it around in Christian chats like it was some Abra Cadabra word to give them validity. Again, not you here....

So, since not a one of us, really can make the call who is or isn't, or even if our own self is "born again", we shouldn't really be making that a focus of our faith. We can either trust God to get us where He wants us, or think we have to do it without Him. We can trust Him, or try to take control from Him.

Paul summarizes my thoughts here... errrr that isn't right. How cocky was that one. It's pretty funny so I'll leave it up. Second attempt. Paul makes comments that I think summarize my thoughts above. (At least that was honest... whew.)

Phil 3:12 Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press onfnso that I may lay hold of that fnfor which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do:forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as are fnperfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 16 however, let us keep fnliving by that same standard to which we have attained.
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us

vs 12, Paul doesn't assume to have been made spiritually mature. But he presses on/runs the race with the hope that Jesus will provide.
13, to be clear he says I DO NOT CONSIDER myself to have it yet, (note, that is not saying he IS that, it's saying he doesn't pat himself on the back or brag about his accomplishments.) He forgets the sins of his past, and runs to the goal ahead. In other words, he doesn't dwell on his sins, and focus on them, he runs ahead. PICTURE, it's like driving a race and looking over your shoulder the whole time, instead of the finish line.
vs 14. redundant.
15.So, now he admits him and others are mature, and he coaches them, keep the humble example I just described... And this example is what Paul says we are to use to identify those that are in his camp.

The message from Paul is, don't worry about claiming you are saved, or born again. Don't assume you are there. You were saved for a reason, to be instruments of His righteousness. Focus on being the best instrument you can be. Let HIM take care of the rest, after all you have to be REMADE, not remake yourself.

Because I piggy backed a quote from someone does not mean this post is picking at them. I'm using their thought, and adding to it. Do not remove tags from mattress. Do not pass go unless you have 200 dollars.
 
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Hoffco

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To TannerDarr and svedbygrace, pleas read my post #12 for your answers. I take your questions seriously, I'm not mocking you,OK. When God makes you alive , you know it!!! You are a NEW person !!! If you don't feel alive to God, then you are still dead... seek GOD for LIFE. Love Hofcco
 
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To TannerDarr and svedbygrace, pleas read my post #12 for your answers. I take your questions seriously, I'm not mocking you,OK. When God makes you alive , you know it!!! You are a NEW person !!! If you don't feel alive to God, then you are still dead... seek GOD for LIFE. Love Hofcco
Same back atcha, not calling you out or anything.

My point is, any psychotic schizophrenic can claim they are "born again". AND THEY WOULD KNOW IT WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS. Doesn't' make them right. Not calling you crazy, just using a hyperbolic example.

So, can you tell me, using scripture, not anecdotal personal experience which only proves to you, not the world, what BORN AGAIN is, when it happens and what the difference is. I have detailed scriptural reasons why I think the answers most give for this are just fluff with no substance.

If I have a friend who is relying on non substantial fluff to save their life, I take it seriously.

Now,, again, I'm testing your reasoning, not you or your person.

Your post doesn't even begin to touch the reasons for my questions.

Seriously, nothing here is to attack YOU, but I can't learn if I don't understand so I'm digging in here.

Oh Yeah, if you just don't wanna go there, that is an ok answer to. I can respect that. :)
 
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The posts were excellent until I got to the muddy water of BradC post #9 BradC is into the "free will" of man that over rides the "FREE GRACE", the "FREE WILL" of GOD. As usual, The free will notion, destroys the Grace of God. BUT, hear me out, please. The sinful nature over rules God's grace, UNTIL, God says, enough will your rebellion, sinner, NOW, MY GRACE will over power you into LIFE eternal. Then, GOD'S GRACE, becomes "Irresistible", and God makes the sinner, who believes the truth,(thru faith) alive,BORN of GOD. Paul want the Christians to know that it was GOD'S GRACE and MERCY, that saved them, yes, "thru faith" and "unto good works" , BUT, in reality, It was GOD'S GRACE that saved them, not faith or works. Humanistic Christians are shaming our great GOD who saves us by GRACE:pOWER and LOVE. Love to all Hoffco
Don't be confused about the grace of God. God brings conviction in the heart of man and when humbles himself in the sight of God, God gives that man grace because of humility and raises him up. Without free volition we would not be able to be exercised in humility to receive grace. The opposite of humbling ourselves is to be resisted by God because of pride. The free volition of man is approached by God through conviction and man either humbles himself and receives grace or he remains proud and is resisted by God. James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5
 
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Hoffco

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To Hizikyaqh, Your post #13 is sooo, good.We desperately need the warnings of Hebrews to wake up dead,unsaved carnal christians today before they go to Hell. That is the message of Hebrews. To TannarDarr, As you said, I also, am not condemning you, just responding to your post.# 14. Your first thought, on "born again", you need to just read the Bible and you will know what it means to be "born again". Your second thought. verse 14 is not "redundant" Paul knows that one way he knows he is "born again" is to seek perfection. The other way we know we are saved is v.9, righteouness by faith. v.15, the word paul uses is "perfect" not fnperfect. Love to all Hoffco
 
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Linda70

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How can one who is dead call upon the name of the Lord and be saved ?
How can one who is dead in the grave "hear His voice"...yet the Bible declares that one day they will:

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
 
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Hoffco

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to TannerDarr, the simplicity of my ans. missed you. I do agree with your evaluation of most peoples' (non-experience) of the new birth, they are still lost. My experience was a total change of life style. I "felt" it. I lived it ,and have lived it for 52 yrs. . I stopped "making out with girls and started to love God's word and worship,etc.. As I tell my children and church people, if you don't feel alive, you are dead, Only good people go to Heaven. Jh, 5:29. Love Hoffco