The “I Wills” of God
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Well I did not bring it up.
But I do like to set keep the record straight.... we are to pursue truth.
I only say to search out all teachings, investigate and compare it to scripture.
We all have a duty to do this. Je suis fini!
But I do like to set keep the record straight.... we are to pursue truth.
I only say to search out all teachings, investigate and compare it to scripture.
We all have a duty to do this. Je suis fini!
Agreed, but the point is this...she told us after she got saved for real, that she was angry and felt like the pastors at the other church deceived her....she was going to a church that has many campuses, the weekly message is became in live on Satellite and it was a feel good message that said...Grace accepts you they way you are....and if Grace accepts you, Jesus accepts you and all your junk....now this at first pass is truth...as she become involved more in the church, she let them know of her lifestyle...they accepted her lifestyle, she became a puppet for a saved lesbian, that Jesus was passively changing and if he accepts her and her lifestyle and her sexual preference, we should to. As the months went on her depravity got worse, she would share with her small group and they just petted her, they said hey, Jesus saved you, no real change is needed on your part...we do not judge you or what you did.... Grace is a change agent...let it have its perfect work...not one person told her change was needed, that she was saved and grace would take her to heaven....no mandate to pray, study the word, read the word...just small group chit chat and 1 service a week....and a yearly bible reading plan...and a devotion app...
Sadly, it was religion that got her attention...she was out shopping and got mobbed by some religious bigots...that told her she would go to hell for being a lesbian....she confronted her campus pastor who deferred to the small group leader who told her...no...those people do not understand grace, they are fruit inspectors, God saved you...but they said having sex with women was a sin...grace covers that sin...and your church family loves you and so does Jesus...but is sleeping with women a sin....no reply...swept under the carpet.....she shrugged it off and continued down the path of deception...
She was convinced she was saved by people who perverted grace...that is the point...that was not her doing, that was another churches doing...When she discovered by the leading of the Holy Spirit that this was wrong...we were there to keep condemnation from attacking her....
We get more from that church and many of my pastors get them from other communities...this is an epidemic in the body....and it is formed because of over board and wrong teaching on legalism....
Sadly, it was religion that got her attention...she was out shopping and got mobbed by some religious bigots...that told her she would go to hell for being a lesbian....she confronted her campus pastor who deferred to the small group leader who told her...no...those people do not understand grace, they are fruit inspectors, God saved you...but they said having sex with women was a sin...grace covers that sin...and your church family loves you and so does Jesus...but is sleeping with women a sin....no reply...swept under the carpet.....she shrugged it off and continued down the path of deception...
She was convinced she was saved by people who perverted grace...that is the point...that was not her doing, that was another churches doing...When she discovered by the leading of the Holy Spirit that this was wrong...we were there to keep condemnation from attacking her....
We get more from that church and many of my pastors get them from other communities...this is an epidemic in the body....and it is formed because of over board and wrong teaching on legalism....
That's tragic...
Here is a great testimony of a guy that was stuck in religion and then got deceived by the homosexual lifestyle - then Jesus Himself showed him the gospel and he walked free of living the homosexual lifestyle and it was all because of grace - the acceptance grace is what hit him and from that - empowering grace from the love of Christ Himself set him free of a destructive lifestyle.
I would recommend those stuck in that deceptive lifestyle to listen to this guys testimony. Sinning is deceitful as it distorts our view of God, others and ourselves.
Thank God Jesus has set us free from sin itself!
[video=youtube;lsI4hhm_J2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI4hhm_J2A[/video]
Here is a great testimony of a guy that was stuck in religion and then got deceived by the homosexual lifestyle - then Jesus Himself showed him the gospel and he walked free of living the homosexual lifestyle and it was all because of grace - the acceptance grace is what hit him and from that - empowering grace from the love of Christ Himself set him free of a destructive lifestyle.
I would recommend those stuck in that deceptive lifestyle to listen to this guys testimony. Sinning is deceitful as it distorts our view of God, others and ourselves.
Thank God Jesus has set us free from sin itself!
[video=youtube;lsI4hhm_J2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI4hhm_J2A[/video]
Joe Prince gets a free pass from EG and others, because of the leaven in the lump in the Bible called Essentials & Non-Essentials.....If we are in agreement on the essential doctrines, I can overlook your non-essential doctrines....people use this to protect pet doctrines and traditional teachings and not any real truth...I have seen this also used as a weapon by deacons and elder boards againstt Pastors who preach the truth...
This is nothing more a christian version of moral relativity
This is nothing more a christian version of moral relativity
Ahh I sense a little turbalance in your statement pastor,,, that's ok even pastors have feelings. I'm sorry if you feel that way, I can turn on a dime and join right in even right after a heated conversation, surely I can't exspect others to be that way as well I get it, it's all good pastor...
you ask people do always do the leg work for you...this "pastor" is not going to ever part your mustache so the bottle of warm baby milk can fit the pie hole....sometimes big boys in the kingdom have to drink out of a big persons cup of milk....
PS:
stay away from the plate of meat, because you will choke on it...
Last time I checked, Bruce is big boy and can take care of himself....Bruce does not need my defense and I do not need his.....We we are both spiritually mature enough to disagree about things and not let it form a clique...
Just like Stephen...there are things we agree and disagree about....We just do not go around creating cliques and feel the need to defend or agree all the time...
Just like you...we agree and disagree about things.....we have our cool offs and time outs....and blows up and aggressive negotiations agaisnt each other with light sabers...
Just like Stephen...there are things we agree and disagree about....We just do not go around creating cliques and feel the need to defend or agree all the time...
Just like you...we agree and disagree about things.....we have our cool offs and time outs....and blows up and aggressive negotiations agaisnt each other with light sabers...
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Well Meggido, I understand what you are saying.
My worry is that those who preach the gospel of grace (no works Involved) should be ever more vigilant because ultimately false teachings come in from all sides even from the grace teachers (whoever they maybe) because Satan is very shrewd and he subverts wherever he can.
The credibility of the gospel and our credibility is undermined by defending false teachings that have crept in, and in this sense I do think Stephen has a point.
It does pain me to say it though!
If we do not protect the gospel from all sides we protect nothing and truth will be lost...the RC church was very good at that for many years.
My worry is that those who preach the gospel of grace (no works Involved) should be ever more vigilant because ultimately false teachings come in from all sides even from the grace teachers (whoever they maybe) because Satan is very shrewd and he subverts wherever he can.
The credibility of the gospel and our credibility is undermined by defending false teachings that have crept in, and in this sense I do think Stephen has a point.
It does pain me to say it
though!If we do not protect the gospel from all sides we protect nothing and truth will be lost...the RC church was very good at that for many years.
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i did not ask you to defend grace777, I asked what you thought of someon s sin,
are you you going to judge someone who sinned or not? if you have to, go back and reread the thread, you will see what I am talking about.
and is there anything in the op you disagree with,
thank you I will await your response,
are you you going to judge someone who sinned or not? if you have to, go back and reread the thread, you will see what I am talking about.
and is there anything in the op you disagree with,
thank you I will await your response,
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You have issues man, I never ask anyone to do the leg work for me, that's your potty mouth speaking drumming up things out of thin air,
I never ask for people to do the leg work for me your going to say stupid stuff anyways because of your angry heart towards me it's no secret to me hoss,
your attempts are humorous to belittle me and call me a boy in need to grow up shows me just how mature you are, your novice attempts is duly noted,
It never cross your mind that what I said was trying to change the subject in the thread, because it's crap like this you posted some folks just can't let things go, you don't have that strength to let it go, that's one of your weaknesses.
I never ask for people to do the leg work for me your going to say stupid stuff anyways because of your angry heart towards me it's no secret to me hoss,
your attempts are humorous to belittle me and call me a boy in need to grow up shows me just how mature you are, your novice attempts is duly noted,
It never cross your mind that what I said was trying to change the subject in the thread, because it's crap like this you posted some folks just can't let things go, you don't have that strength to let it go, that's one of your weaknesses.
I must admit that i stopped going to church for a long while. I actually led a very successful youth ministry.
I won't go into the details why I left other than to say my shoulders were very heavy and I was weary. I carried baggage of life and the past and the baggage of the need to conform.
I never lost my faith in Jesus, just in myself and people. And for 13-14 years I cried out and cried every day to Jesus.
When I started to come back Church I googled Gods grace, and I stumbled upon E2R and I must admit it really helped me.
I e-mailed Paul Ellis and this man spent months talking to me.
One thing that really helped me was actually understanding what grace is and how it works.
One thing that struck me was that grace actually covers my sin and I don't have to pay back for my sin or work it off.
I could never accept that when I sinned then it is covered by the blood of Jesus. I was a sack cloth and ashes man (and still working through that)
So to me my sin and foibles were bigger than Gods grace. This stemmed from the fact that I honestly felt that God did not love me. He only loved me because he has to because of what Jesus did.
Then one day when I was laid up with a back issue God asked me to spend some time with him. After the 3rd time of asking I said yes.
I read the following and as I read it I had a picture in my mind.
A gun suddenly appeared and the barrel was open and a silver bullet was inserted and the barrel closed and the trigger pulled.
Here what was inscribed on this bullet.
John 17:23
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
That bullet was shot right into my heart. GOD LOVES JESUS AS MUCH AS HE LOVES ME.
I broke down in tears and then I got a glimpse of Gods grace.
One thing I know though and as Paul says Gods grace is not an excuse sin.
To me Gods grace forgives our sin and it's his grace that says "I love where you are and I love enough to bring you out of where you are"
To me God loves to conform us to the image of Jesus.
The reason I have gone a bit deep here is because people can walk in a way that seems to betray their confession and faith in Jesus. Then we can judge them as not being really saved.
During My restoration a lot of healing was needed, emotionally and spiritually.
So if a person doesn't seem to changing (and we must be very careful here as to what change we expect to see) we need to come alongside them in love and compassion, with gentleness and wisdom, revealing the true word of God as correction.
If a person identifies as a sinner what are they going to do?
To me the mindset is to sin because that's their identity.
Now if a persons identity is that as a child of the Father who loves them so much and is for them then focus changes.
I WANT TO BE LIKE YOU AND WALK IN THE WAY YOU HAVE ASKED ME.
When someone wants that then the amazing grace of God that saved them will work.
Now if a person has no interest in this then one must question whether they actually have saving faith.
I won't go into the details why I left other than to say my shoulders were very heavy and I was weary. I carried baggage of life and the past and the baggage of the need to conform.
I never lost my faith in Jesus, just in myself and people. And for 13-14 years I cried out and cried every day to Jesus.
When I started to come back Church I googled Gods grace, and I stumbled upon E2R and I must admit it really helped me.
I e-mailed Paul Ellis and this man spent months talking to me.
One thing that really helped me was actually understanding what grace is and how it works.
One thing that struck me was that grace actually covers my sin and I don't have to pay back for my sin or work it off.
I could never accept that when I sinned then it is covered by the blood of Jesus. I was a sack cloth and ashes man (and still working through that)
So to me my sin and foibles were bigger than Gods grace. This stemmed from the fact that I honestly felt that God did not love me. He only loved me because he has to because of what Jesus did.
Then one day when I was laid up with a back issue God asked me to spend some time with him. After the 3rd time of asking I said yes.
I read the following and as I read it I had a picture in my mind.
A gun suddenly appeared and the barrel was open and a silver bullet was inserted and the barrel closed and the trigger pulled.
Here what was inscribed on this bullet.
John 17:23
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
That bullet was shot right into my heart. GOD LOVES JESUS AS MUCH AS HE LOVES ME.
I broke down in tears and then I got a glimpse of Gods grace.
One thing I know though and as Paul says Gods grace is not an excuse sin.
To me Gods grace forgives our sin and it's his grace that says "I love where you are and I love enough to bring you out of where you are"
To me God loves to conform us to the image of Jesus.
The reason I have gone a bit deep here is because people can walk in a way that seems to betray their confession and faith in Jesus. Then we can judge them as not being really saved.
During My restoration a lot of healing was needed, emotionally and spiritually.
So if a person doesn't seem to changing (and we must be very careful here as to what change we expect to see) we need to come alongside them in love and compassion, with gentleness and wisdom, revealing the true word of God as correction.
If a person identifies as a sinner what are they going to do?
To me the mindset is to sin because that's their identity.
Now if a persons identity is that as a child of the Father who loves them so much and is for them then focus changes.
I WANT TO BE LIKE YOU AND WALK IN THE WAY YOU HAVE ASKED ME.
When someone wants that then the amazing grace of God that saved them will work.
Now if a person has no interest in this then one must question whether they actually have saving faith.
You are not used to being spoken to this way, because most un-tucked shirt and skinny jean wearing, triple fade hairstyle having, legit suede boot stylin, uber cool talking "pastors" are afraid to speak to people the way I do to you...
its called truth in love, but it is a concept many in the body do not discern, because we are far too busy being uber cool, and to legit to quit, instead of being a shepherd and keeping people in the truth...
Come to full age....