The “I Wills” of God

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

I agree licentiousness (or what they seem to want to call easy believism) is a problem, But no more than legalism, and what we have to guard against is replacing one bad gospel with the opposite gospel which is just as bad.

of course the issue is, Who they call liscentious or easy believers, are not what they say they are.. So instead of being united in a fight against one bad gospel, we have to put a hand up and say woe woe, stop right here, these people do not preach what you claim..

and thats what we have been doing for well over a year now. it is sad.

Magenta · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

I do not think that is what easy believism always means... because it is a derogatory term often aimed at believers who hold a different understanding from the one using the term, regarding a clear Biblical perspective on what is required for salvation. Easy believism is a term used to demean another believer simply because they hold to one view of Scripture (saved by grace) against those who believe that salvation is earned and/or maintained through works. The problem is due to the fact that no believer ever really says nothing else is required of you after coming to believe. However, the one using such terms often presents themselves as a sinless person, which presents a whole 'nother set of disputes..

Stephen63 · Jul 20, 2017

G777 says he doesn't believe everything Joseph Prince says.

Shouldn't that imply that Joseph Prince really isn't that important to him?

IMO, G777 believes EVERYTHING Joseph Prince says, & is a disciple of his.

I CAN TOTALLY PROVE THAT.....

Click on G777's page, click on Find latest started threads, & go all the way back to the beginning. There's tons of threads about Joseph Prince!

From pages 3-11, you'll find over 85% of G777's threads are about Joseph Prince!

All I'm sayin' is..... How can you post so much about Joseph Prince, & NOT believe everything he says?

BeyondET · Jul 20, 2017

loveme1 said:

Don't look at me, your the one who pointed out just what you wanted it too mean, what do you mean your not familiar with these terms bunch of hog wash, back in corner as far you can with that.

Question marks next to stuff he already answered too, you were pulling straws to attack him, and your pulling straws with me.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

You made my point Bruce.....

The Bible says the shed blood of Jesus forgives sin, not grace....

The Bible does not say grace reconciles you back to God, it says that Jesus Christ reconciles you back to God...

The Bible does not say that grace raises you into new life, it says Being buried and risen with Jesus raises us to new life....

The most glaring in your face denial of this prayer is the fact Jesus was never mentioned, not to mention the fact that, Jesus and him crucified, buried and raised again was never even touched on.....

This is teaching millions that grace is the only answer! This is a complete, intentional, outright denial of our master and Lord,Jesus Christ and his Gospel as we see stated in the last half of Jude 4.....

There is no excuse for this....none!

This is what hundreds of young pastor-teachers teach.....I see the aftermath of people deceived...I ask who saved you...grace bro, are you stupid!?!?! What about Jesus saving you?....who is that....we see this all the time....

In all honesty the word of grace message is getting as corrupt as the word of faith message did....grace and faith are virtues and essential in the walk...but when either of them become larger than Jesus....and remove him from the picture we have a problem....

For by grace you have been saved.

Nothing evil about it..

The only thing evil is to make grace something it is not (earned) or to water it down in pride, (take advantage of it)

But just because people CAN take advantage, does not mean it is not true..

most people make it something it is not (earned) in fact, most of the worlds religions teach this,,

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

WHO?

WHO?

Name one person in CC, or one person you and I both know..

name one,, Stephen thinks a bunch of people in CC believes this, WHO??

Who thinks they are saved, and are free to live in sin? WHo thinks they are saved and CAN LIVE IN SIN? The bible says they can not, so who??

Grace777x70 · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

I agree to remove Jesus from the main emphasis is wrong as He alone is our Savior.

I have never heard of anyone saying that "grace saved me" and when asked about Jesus - they would say "Who is that?"

Something is wrong there. In the over 1,000 messages I have never heard such a thing nor even thought such a thing but maybe it does happen but that is still no excuse for watering down the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work.

WAnd...that is not entirely accurate that it's not by grace we are saved. Grace does save us in a way because Paul says that "it is according to the riches of His grace we are saved."

As I said - trying to separate grace and truth from Christ is trying to separate the wet of out water. You get one - you get them both.

Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Ephesians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7[/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Titus 3:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that being justified by His gracewe would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

I could on and on but I will stop there.

I will also say that I can see that the potential is there for some to mis-understand the gospel of the grace of God and frankly if it wasn't attempted to be done - I would question the validity of the gospel being actually preached.

Here is a message that when you have time - let me know what you think. He talks about having Jesus Himself as the source and not a concept in our minds.

Here is the website.

Seeing Grace: Audio Archive

Here is the actual message. Click on the blue "Proclaim Jesus and not just a concept of grace." below

James Barron

Proclaim Jesus, and Not Just a Concept of Grace

Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:30am
Duration: 33:41 (24.3MB) mp3

loveme1 · Jul 20, 2017

BeyondET said:

You have actually made me laugh... you are obviously looking for some type of back and forth.... maybe he is someone you hold dear and you seek to show your loyalty for him.. but it is uncalled for and I stand by the post.

Magenta · Jul 20, 2017

"Easy believism" also often implies or outright accuses others
of thinking they can sin all they want once they are saved.

The funny thing is watching people who use this term sin all
they want and never repent of it. Hypocrisy at its finest

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Magenta said:

Yep. the worse thing you can do is expose one of them as doing something which is sin

they will attack you, Blame shift, Say it is not sin, Do anything but repent of the sin they are actually doing, then turn around and tell you how much you love sin..

It is actually laughable if it were not so sad.. (god certainly is not laughing, Like he said to jerusalem, he is sad.)

Meggido · Jul 20, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

EG, there is life past a little christian chat board.....

Many times I am speaking form my life experience not accusing anyone here...sorry if it seems that way....

the people I was referring to are in real life.....We had a hard core lesbian come in a service once...we were praying over everyone in service and laying hands on them....she defiantly came up and said...Yep, Jesus is in my heart and he knows that I love having lustful dirty sex with girls....he is square with it and so should you.....so I do not need no prayer from you or your wife....

I said interesting....she said what? I said your immoral lifestyle wont send you to hell, your unbelief in Jesus Christ and what he did for you is.....

She stomped off and said typical preacher and bigot, Jesus understands my lust for girls...., but close the end of the service the Holy Spirit wrecked her good....

She is one of the very few engaged in that lifestyle that we have witnessed who was delivered completely after her conversion....She thanks me every time we see her, for giving her the truth...she is now getting other women out of this lifestyle

This woman actually thought she was in relationship with Jesus...

Stephen63 · Jul 20, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

What a post! It exposes EG's attitude towards certain people.The first line tells a bold face lie, I've ALWAYS said we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.

Second line.....Instead of saying "live in sin", they say "sin doesn't matter". They say conviction is no more, repentance is no more, & that the Holy Spirit NEVER convicts a christian once they're saved.

They will tell you "don't worry about sin, for Jesus took care of that once & for all".

They will say ALL FUTURE SINS are already covered.

All lies.

Now, the last statement..... WHY would someone consistently say "nobody listens to Stephen anymore", or "he's lost all credibility"?

Simple..... EG hopes everyone will believe it.

This is nothing but wicked tactics of the flesh to discredit God's people. A ploy. An agenda.

How could anybody know such things? He doesn't. He fabricates this stuff to cause trouble, & it is from Satan.

Don't believe the last part? Would one dare say "it's from God"?

Stephen63 · Jul 20, 2017

JGIG said:

Tell us, Stephen63, in all your 'research' into what Paul Ellis teaches, specify for us what he teaches about salvation and living in Christ.

Please include links - we would like to see what Paul Ellis actually teaches, not just your opinion about what he teaches.

I KNOW that on the essentials, Paul Ellis is solid in his teaching of the Good News of the Work of Christ. On secondary issues, believers are free to disagree with deference for one another without accusing of heresy. You're not 'protecting' anyone in the Body by slandering Paul Ellis, only sowing seeds of division and strife in the Body.

You have actually slandered someone who Biblically preaches the Gospel and you've tried to equate what he teaches with Mormonism! Completely OFF BASE and lacking in basic integrity.

Why not discuss the OP - how God, in his Grace and Mercy - saw fit before Christ to point to New Covenant promises that would become manifest in Christ?

Thanks!

-JGIG

https://escapetoreality.org/category/hyper-grace/

BeyondET · Jul 20, 2017

loveme1 said:

Na it's all good, you may think it's loyalty though I will say Yes his my friend and I will not shy away from that,,,

think what ever you think doesn't change a thing, but I will stand for those who have good intentions yet get pounded for something they never said or implied

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

ok, we are talking about people on here. Stephen was attacking grace777 specifically. as he always does.

As I have said, I have no problem talking about licentiousness.. But if no one is preaching it, why bother discussing it. The problem is people are attacking people as believing this doctrine who are not..

if someone comes in here and actually preaches easy believing or licentious believe you me, I will stand right next to you trying to show him how wrong he or she is.

BeyondET · Jul 20, 2017

Here's a question what are some of the word meanings for (grace) in modern English language, Greek, Hebrew etc...?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Here is the problem I have seen in my walk as a christian (over 30 some years)

the licentious will look to the grace believer, Tell him that they are attacking them, because they make a demand that a follower of God look like it, and not be a hearer and not a doer. They will claim they teach grace and deny being licentious.

The legalist will attack the grace person as being an easy believer, who lives their sin, likes to live in sin, and has no understanding of what it means to work, They hate works, and they do not understand what it means to be sanctified, They too will claim they teach grace, and deny they are legalistic.

of course having said this, 90% of the time, a licentious person will not even argue, they do not care what god says about how they need to work, and they do not care what you say either, So they ignore you or just let you shout and what they think is watch you make a fool of yourself

The legalist on the other hand, Are judgmental, Unrepentant, Lie about others, Slander others, Are usually hypocrites, and are the most self righteous people you will ever meet Always condemning, Always puffing themselves up. And never admitting mistake.

Meggido · Jul 20, 2017

BeyondET said:

Does grace forgive sin or the shedding of Jesus Blood?

Does grace reconcile you back to God or Jesus Christ?

Is Grace above the name of Jesus?

John 1.17-
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Realized means came to be through what Jesus Christ accomplished, not that Jesus Christ became grace...

eternally-gratefull · Jul 20, 2017

Meggido said:

Grace, because of the shedding of blood, forgives. Grace saves

Again, what do you have against grace? It is Gods grace that we are even having this discussion,

loveme1 · Jul 20, 2017

Matthew 12

6While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

i know big speeches are made but I'm going to share Scripture and always hope you will go and read more of the Messiah's Testimony.

remember that Peter said where should he go... because the Messiah had the...
words of eternal life... well it is True and I share them freely with the lost sheep... for I was lost also and must now relay the Good Shepherd's Testimony.

I testify that if you seek you shall find, if you ask it will be given.
I'm the lowest of the low and by Grace through Faith I'm saved... Faithful to the Words of the Messiah... He commands we hear and do.... Grace is given to those that humble themselves.

Heavenly Father is Gracious and merciful... So draw nigh to Him and He will draw nigh to you.

let His law be written in your inwards.

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