The 10 Commandments

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one problem for understanding might be in the name. no other name given under heaven by which we can be saved. but His name wasn't Jesus. it was more like Joshua, only not, i believe. it was is a Jewish name. a Hebrew name. the only name by which we are saved - is Jewish /Israelitish. Jesus is /was an Israelite.
There is no salvation by pronunciation.

It is easy for me to understand this because in South Africa many people have two names. They have their native name given to them by their parents but then also an English name.

It was the same in the time of Jesus (or Yeshua). They had a Hebrew and Greek name.

So Paul was Greek and Saul Hebrew (same person).
Peter/Petros Greek, Kepha was Hebrew.
Judas Greek, Judah Hebrew.

There is no problem to say Jesus. There is power in the name of Jesus :) God bless
 

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We can make the scripture say whatever we want it to say if we ignore the context of a particular scripture. For example, Jesus said at the last supper "do this in remembrance of me."

Now for most of Christendom, that means Jesus was saying to take a sip of wine and a piece of bread every week at the Sunday morning meeting. For the Catholics that means every day.

The context of those words is totally ignored. It was a Passover meal which was celebrated once a year, not every Sunday morning.

The original New Testament Church was made up of Jews who did not stop being Jews when they became members of The Way, as the New Testament Church was known as.

There was not a single Christian amongst them.

Being Jews whatever Jesus said and whatever they interpreted the words to mean, they would have only celebrated the Passover meal once a year, not every Sunday morning.

As it was a Passover meal, the idea that all it was composed of was a sip of wine and a piece of bread is laughable.

The history of the New Testament Church showed quite clearly that they did not interpret Jesus' words to mean a sip of wine and a piece of bread every Sunday morning.

So ignoring 90% of the context and surrounding issues we get a sip of wine and a piece of bread on Sunday morning.

Now to go one step further, we are in a situation whereby the argument about keeping the sabbath has descended into an argument about it being necessary for salvation or not. Whilst some may subscribe to that idea, in all the years I have been writing on forums, that is not the case.

it is often spoken in that context to try and prove that you do not need to keep the sabbath and in so doing the facts regarding salvation are distorted and ignored as there are all sorts of ideas about what salvation requires.

First of all, salvation is quite a different topic to the sabbath. Until you have a grasp of what salvation is and implies, you cannot discuss the keeping of the sabbath. It may be with the misunderstanding of the sabbath the understanding of salvation is also wrong.

So starting on day one the day of Pentecost, when the first believers were grafted into what became the church, their instructions were very specific when they asked what they had to do.

The answer was simple and straightforward. Repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. There was no addition of and don't forget to keep the sabbath. And do you know why? Again it is simple. The hearers were Jews and they already kept the sabbath and after the day of Pentecost, they continued to do so. They did not need any instruction regarding this matter.

So the instruction to repent and be baptised was in addition to the keeping of the sabbath. They needed to repent and be baptised because they were going to align themselves with a new and living way and that was the entry for membership of it. No repentance and baptism no entry.

The argument about the sabbath cannot be discussed with any clarity until you understand that it was already part of the life of the new Jewish believer and continued to be so after they became initiated into The Way through repentance and baptism.

So you see from these two situations without the context it is just words without meaning.
 
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the younger got to go in to Canaan, even Moses died before they went in. Joshua took over.
Only 2 were allowed in if I remember right, and they were the two that wanted to go in in the first place. And the rest overruled the, because they did not believe

moses did not get him because he struck the rock when he was supposed to speak to it.
 
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When you say Hebrew Roots fails, the roots of our faith is in the old testament. The old testament is scripture and scripture is from God. That means you think God fails.

What the organized church has against people who believe the Lord speaks to us in both the old and new testament, is that they think much of the old testament is against
Christ. They call this reading scripture in context, and that they believe some scripture is not of God for all men but for Israel only.

Several passages refute this, including Romans 15: 4For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.

When James told us we need not obey what is only Jewish custom, they throw everything into "Jewish Custom" and use it to say God doesn't mean it with verses like in Romans 7.
God does not fail

hebrew roots fail because they go to the symbol and minimize the reality
 
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there is only failure when we don't listen to/follow the Spirit of God or sound teachings. how is sound teaching found? from sound teachers, or from the Spirit of God.

but how will we know the soundness of someone else's teaching or beliefs? through/by the Spirit of God. but the Spirit leads into all truth. how many parts of the truth to learn might there be?

the Bible speaks of elementary truths and going beyond, of learning more. the Bible is a big book and life is a big project. there is alot to learn and think about. not a small amount. how boring that would be.

don't sell God short. he is a big God and His thoughts are not ours and there are many things to learn still from God (the one whose thoughts are higher and knows more than us) and the Bible.
The problem is everyone thinks they got their truth from the spirit, which can’t be true, because not everyone thinks the same thing
 

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the thing about any version of the hebrew roots movement is this- it is based on opinions. they THINK that the romans invented sun. worship, they THINK that God gave the Law to the whole world, they THINK that Sabbath keeping is a part of salvation through faith in Christ.

i will say it again- they attempt to make Sabbath keeping an " optional requirement".

there is no such thing as an optional requirement.
 
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the thing about any version of the hebrew roots movement is this- it is based on opinions. they THINK that the romans invented sun. worship, they THINK that God gave the Law to the whole world, they THINK that Sabbath keeping is a part of salvation through faith in Christ.

i will say it again- they attempt to make Sabbath keeping an " optional requirement".

there is no such thing as an optional requirement.
My pastor has never said to me "I think". It is scriptural :) .

All we can do is to keep on praying for each other because we are all in Christ; we are all one bride. No church is perfect as it becomes clear in Revelation. All had flaws :)
 

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My pastor has never said to me "I think". It is scriptural :) .

All we can do is to keep on praying for each other because we are all in Christ; we are all one bride. No church is perfect as it becomes clear in Revelation. All had flaws :)
if your pastor is telling gentiles that they have to keep the Sabbath to properly obey God, then your pastor is lying to his church.
 
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if your pastor is telling gentiles that they have to keep the Sabbath to properly obey God, then your pastor is lying to his church.
I don't know why you keep on going back to the Sabbath. Yes we are keeping the Sabbath out of obedience but that is one commandment.

We are also teached not to murder, steal, blaspheme and so forth :)
 

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I don't know why you keep on going back to the Sabbath. Yes we are keeping the Sabbath out of obedience but that is one commandment.

We are also teached not to murder, steal, blaspheme and so forth :)

the reason is what you keep saying- that one has to keep the Sabbath to obey.

gentiles were never under the Law, and were never commanded to keep it.

so to say that gentiles HAVE to keep the Sabbath is a straight up lie.
 
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the reason is what you keep saying- that one has to keep the Sabbath to obey.

gentiles were never under the Law, and were never commanded to keep it.

so to say that gentiles HAVE to keep the Sabbath is a straight up lie.
So we can murder, lie and steal?
 

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the other nine were repeated in the N.T. for gentiles.

Sabbath keeping was not.

i refer to mailman dan, just go through his content, he has broken this down many times.
 
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the other nine were repeated in the N.T. for gentiles.

Sabbath keeping was not.

i refer to mailman dan, just go through his content, he has broken this down many times.
Actually it was repeated by Jesus but, okay. Thank you :)
 

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The problem is everyone thinks they got their truth from the spirit, which can’t be true, because not everyone thinks the same thing

if you think of the world, all the many different people from many different backgrounds, all with different dna, with many strengths and weaknesses and spiritual understandings you can begin to see why we are all on different pages. and keeping in mind as you think of all these differences that God's thoughts are higher than ours and that He is all knowing and we are not. and God made people, and He knew it would be how it is.
 

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Actually it was repeated by Jesus but, okay. Thank you :)
repeated by Jesus, a jewish man born under the Law to other jewish men born under the Law.

Acts 9 - God to Ananias- ' this man ( Paul) is my chosen instrument to carry My name to the gentiles".

not carry the Sabbath .
 
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I don't know why you keep on going back to the Sabbath. Yes we are keeping the Sabbath out of obedience but that is one commandment.

We are also teached not to murder, steal, blaspheme and so forth :)
I hope your teaching people to disciple and love others more than themselves. To learn to love as Christ loved and to be less selfish sacrificing our needs for the needs of others
an amazing thing I have learned is if you do this. You do not have to teach them not to break commands because they will not even think of it. When your loving others. Your not thinking if serving self this will not even be tempted
 
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I hope your teaching people to disciple and love others more than themselves. To learn to love as Christ loved and to be less selfish sacrificing our needs for the needs of others
an amazing thing I have learned is if you do this. You do not have to teach them not to break commands because they will not even think of it. When your loving others. Your not thinking if serving self this will not even be tempted
You are right, the love of Christ is also being taught :)

Blessings my friend