The 144,000,The Remnant Church In The Wilderness, Fed (Manna) From Heaven During The Tribulation

[Truth7t7]

Brother, you should at least read my posting. Did you see my reference to the saints on earth fleeing to the wilderness. And I did not CLAIM it was in Chapter 13. I specifically gave the reference as Chapter 12.

Nothing in Rev 13 states the saints run to the wilderness.

The Christian remnant in the wilderness aren't over come as you falsely claim

The world is astonished, and fear God because of the remnant elect.

The (Saints) overcome in Rev 13:7 Aretha (Two Witnesses)

Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

 

[Corban]

Nothing in Rev 13 states the saints run to the wilderness.

The Christian remnant in the wilderness aren't over come as you falsely claim

The world is astonished, and fear God because of the remnant elect.

The (Saints) overcome in Rev 13:7 Aretha (Two Witnesses)

Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

Your comments are noted brother. Go well.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Roman's 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

But does not the circumcision of the heart apply to every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation?

 

[Truth7t7]

But does not the circumcision of the heart apply to every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation?

Forest I fully agree that the believer circumcised of the heart is a (Jew) of all nations as scripture

I believe the church represents the Israel of God, however the future 144,000 clearly will be in the Land of Israel, and represent ethnic Jews being saved.

 

[Ogom]

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

O.K. Let's take your statement; "all those who follow Christ become Israelites - God's People, just like His Son - an Israelite too, from His birth". But wait ... The very God of the universe says of His Son Jesus, "You are MY Son. This day I have begotten you" (Ps.2:7; Act.13:33; Heb.1:5, 5:5). So now we have a problem. Was God a man, or woman, or Mary, that He could bring forth Jesus. Or was God an Israelite that Jesus might be an Israelite? But ... it even gets more complicated. Jesus was born in about 4 BC. That is a fact and we all believe it. But the God of the universe says that His Son Jesus, was "firstborn of all creatures" (Col.1:15). Now that takes our Lord Jesus back quite a way earlier than 4 BC. It takes Him back BEFORE Genesis 1:1. But ... Oh! We have another problem now. If our Lord Jesus was "firstborn of the creation", how could he have been "begotten in a day"? Is not a day part of creation? Was the day first, or Jesus being begotten?

And, just to make matters a little more complicated, it says in 1st Corinthians 15:45 that our Lord Jesus BECAME the Life-Giving Spirit. The word "BECAME" means that He was NOT that Spirit before, but went through a process and BECAME it. Was He NOT that Spirit when Elijah raised up the boy of Zarephath?

Would you say that things are simple? Or would you say things are complex?

Oh, and by the way, could you post just two verses that say that a man who follows Christ becomes an Israelite (you know ... let everything be established by two or three witnesses). Thanks.

Just to be clear, I'm not being frivolous. I hear you. The matter of Gentiles becoming Israelites is a hot subject in Christianity - as you no doubt have seen already.

thank you for the welcome.

that is a number of things to think about. here are two more, and could be very important.


1. God is Love

2. God is not the author of confusion


Luke 8:16

“No one lights a lamp and then puts it in a cellar nor under a basket [hiding the light], but [instead it is put] on the lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.


Revelation 1:14

His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire.


1 Corinthians 13

New International Version

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Christ was/is Completeness and He appeared and came as an Israelite. that could tell us something. something important. and no, God is not hiding it.

 

[Truth7t7]

thank you for the welcome.

that is a number of things to think about. here are two more, and could be very important.


1. God is Love

2. God is not the author of confusion


Luke 8:16

“No one lights a lamp and then puts it in a cellar nor under a basket [hiding the light], but [instead it is put] on the lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.


Revelation 1:14

His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire.


1 Corinthians 13

New International Version

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Christ was/is Completeness and He appeared and came as an Israelite. that could tell us something. something important. and no, God is not hiding it.

Is that like Acts 8:37, you should check that out?

 

[Corban]

thank you for the welcome.

that is a number of things to think about. here are two more, and could be very important.


1. God is Love

2. God is not the author of confusion


Luke 8:16

“No one lights a lamp and then puts it in a cellar nor under a basket [hiding the light], but [instead it is put] on the lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.


Revelation 1:14

His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire.


1 Corinthians 13

New International Version

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Christ was/is Completeness and He appeared and came as an Israelite. that could tell us something. something important. and no, God is not hiding it.

Thank you for your measured answer. My posting was more to show that each fact, or concept, taken by itself, is not too complicated. But once inserted in the whole picture, it can stretch us to our human limits. Have you noticed that many posters have (correctly) settled a matter in their intellect, but have to do so at the expense of another equally valid matter. There is no sin in not knowing something. There is no sin in making a mistake. There is also no sin in holding a doctrine for years and then finding out that it was wrong. What is a sin is when the truth is revealed by good sound argument, and one rejects it.

That is what God hates so much in Romans Chapter 1. The cleverest men, who know the laws of nature, and know that only God could have made this vast universe, it laws and its order, refuse the truth they hold. This Forum is made of both types - those willing to admit a good argument, and those, who, for whatever reason, refuse it out of hand. The accomplished students on this Forum will all admit one thing - that is, over the years they had to change their opinion multiple times as new information arrives.

 

[Ogom]

Thank you for your measured answer. My posting was more to show that each fact, or concept, taken by itself, is not too complicated. But once inserted in the whole picture, it can stretch us to our human limits. Have you noticed that many posters have (correctly) settled a matter in their intellect, but have to do so at the expense of another equally valid matter. There is no sin in not knowing something. There is no sin in making a mistake. There is also no sin in holding a doctrine for years and then finding out that it was wrong. What is a sin is when the truth is revealed by good sound argument, and one rejects it.

That is what God hates so much in Romans Chapter 1. The cleverest men, who know the laws of nature, and know that only God could have made this vast universe, it laws and its order, refuse the truth they hold. This Forum is made of both types - those willing to admit a good argument, and those, who, for whatever reason, refuse it out of hand. The accomplished students on this Forum will all admit one thing - that is, over the years they had to change their opinion multiple times as new information arrives.

what you are saying is of utmost import. those who think they know, when they don't, or only know so much and are lacking much yet think they know enough cannot learn. this is why the commandment not to bear false witness is so important. which if we are becoming an Isaelite (like Christ) we will be learning to keep along with the other commandments of God.

if we don't wish to mislead others or ourselves and always wish to be learning good things and helpful and not stuck in errors (in delusions, in half-truths, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth on any subject) we will not want to lie to ourselves or others.


2 Timothy 3

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[Ogom]

Is that like Acts 8:37, you should check that out?

please explain.

Acts 8:37

“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

King James Version (KJV)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Forest I fully agree that the believer circumcised of the heart is a (Jew) of all nations as scripture

I believe the church represents the Israel of God, however the future 144,000 clearly will be in the Land of Israel, and represent ethnic Jews being saved.

Does the scripture of Rom 9:11 indicate that Jacob, as Israel, is representative of all of God's elect?

 

[Truth7t7]

please explain.

Acts 8:37

“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

King James Version (KJV)

Give me a quote of Acts 8:37 in the NIV?

 

[Truth7t7]

Does the scripture of Rom 9:11 indicate that Jacob, as Israel, is representative of all of God's elect?

The (Election) represents the Church, both Jew and Gentile

Romans 9:11 & 22-24KJV
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The 144,000 saved Christian Jews, represent the remnant church, that will have the Everlasting gospel to preach Rev 14:4-7, they will be camped in the wilderness of Bashan, Carmel, during the tribulation being fed (Manna) as in the days of old Micah 7:12-17, this is the woman in the wilderness seen in Rev 12:6 below

Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth,

SIGH

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The (Election) represents the Church, both Jew and Gentile

Romans 9:11 & 22-24KJV
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I fully agree.