The Abomination of Desolation

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Noose

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So, “You shall be holy, for I am holy” should say “You shall be God, for I am God?” (1 Peter 1:16)
That's right, it is much better than "..you shall be set apart because i was set apart..".
You don't understand that godliness is a mystery, do you? Why then is God being called a son of man and at the same time, the son of man was given the right to be called the son of God? is it not because the two shall be ONE?

You have no clue that only God is eternal and shall live forever and if any man has any hopes of living forever, they must be ONE with God. That was the mission of Jesus here on earth.
 
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That's right, it is much better than "..you shall be set apart because i was set apart..".
Okey dokey...:whistle:

You don't understand that godliness is a mystery, do you? Why then is God being called a son of man and at the same time, the son of man was given the right to be called the son of God? is it not because the two shall be ONE?
Where does it say Christ was given the right to be called the Son of God?

The three are already one, not "shall be ONE" but are ONE.

I think I do understand it, the issue is you're conflating things and arriving at error.
 

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Okey dokey...:whistle:



Where does it say Christ was given the right to be called the Son of God?

The three are already one, not "shall be ONE" but are ONE.

I think I do understand it, the issue is you're conflating things and arriving at error.
It is slightly complex than that.
I did not mean that Jesus will be given the right to be called the son of God but rather Jesus Himself being God, came to demonstrate sonship to us. So he makes us one with Him.
This is a huge debate that i don't want to engage in right now.

1 Tim 3:15so that, if I am delayed, you will know how each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 16By common confession,the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared inthe flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up inglory.
 
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It is slightly complex than that.
I did not mean that Jesus will be given the right to be called the son of God but rather Jesus Himself being God, came to demonstrate sonship to us. So he makes us one with Him.
This is a huge debate that i don't want to engage in right now.
I don't think it's complex, you've simply misspoken and/or are in error with your definitions.
 

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I don't think it's complex, you've simply misspoken and/or are in error with your definitions.
Something can not be a mystery and simple at the same time. In short, all i'm saying is that God has created a vacancy in the Godhead for us. We are in the memory of God and God in our memory, every other thing outside this arrangement will pass away (heavens and earth).
 
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The antichrist is not an entity but many ideologies that oppose the truth who is God. The war is not against flesh and blood but principalities. The issue about the antichrist appearing has nothing to do with appearance of individuals but a timeline, specifically the end times.
Not against flesh and blood. But flesh and blood as that seen to represent the principalities not seen as the spiritual things in high places seen...…. by the temporal .

That ideology gets turned up side down as if it was flesh and blood by which we could have our unseen understanding .

Catholicism changing or usurping the person of what the word it represents.In doing so exposes how that their oral tradition of the fathers got legs to move men to venerate the flesh making it (Peter) as the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against. making it about flesh and blood of Peter the temporal seen , and not the invisible working of the Holy Spirit.


He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.mathew16:15- 19

If Peter (flesh and blood) was the key the that the gates of hell could never prevail against . Then he must of failed in the following verses . Mathew 16:22 -23, there Peter is shown as one of the many antichrists (plural) that were there as informed in 1 John2

1 John 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Something I have been looking at which is not very popular of a offering is in the use of the word blasphemy. again not popular but one that seems to ring true .

Peter blasphemed the Holy Spirit and therefore basically violated the first commandment to not to have the god of this world as gods before Him. saying to Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan

We can see that with Peter when used as a antichrist one influenced by the deceiver that it strengthened Peter to rebuke the Lord, Peter offending Him not seen .

Peter was forgiven of his blaspheme seeing it was against the Son of man, seen. .Jesus acknowledged he could not deny Himself
(2 Timothy 2:13) but forgave Peter again and again as informed Philippians 1:6. ….If Christ began the good work of salvation in him he finished it to the end as all who do receive the end of their faith, the salvation of our souls from the beginning.

Jesus as the Son of man seen resisted worship in respect to His flesh .When call good master he gave glory to the holy Place .Only God is good. Good is described by him not seen our one source of faith by which we can please Him.

He whose name is Jealous will not share that Holy Place with the things of this corrupted world seen. It as His glory is the light of the new heavens and earth no Sun and Mon no darkness

Today because Jesus as the Son of man is no longer here. That kind of work to try and make the gospel of Christ as it is written to no effect there can be no forgiveness to those who make the holy unseen place of God without effect

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
 

GraceAndTruth

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The bible uses the word holy as something set apart for a certain purpose .

Parables throughout the scriptures are set aside as holy using the temporal things of this world seen as a shadow of the "true holy place" unseen as the kingdom of God .

The kingdom of God does not come be looking at the temporal shadows as rudiments of this world . The places called holy on earth are representations of the eternal not seen ….again the "true holy" place reserved for God alone. And again not reserved for the things seen the temporal they will all disappear having fulfilled there temporal purpose to point to the true holy place . Faith

.2 Corinthians 4:18 is the key to finding the true unseen Holy Place it reveals how we can see the things not seen as His Spirit enlightens our new hearts making it possible to please Him

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal..2 Corinthians 4:18

The earthly Jerusalem is shadow of the true New Jerusalem or Zion she is seen coming down from heaven on the last day prepared as His eternal Holy bride not seen.

Even the Holy people are not what they will be. No longer male not female Jew not gentile. No longer flesh and blood or do we know Christ after any rudiment of this world

The Jews that where set aside in a parables and ceremonial laws to point to the true Holy place not seen are no longer used in parables and of the true Holy place not seen .The reformation came and restored the government to a place where there is no longer we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:an outward representation . Before there were kings in Israel .
I'm done on this topic, you will see it your way no matter what I say. I gave you scripture and examples in scripture.
This disputing over words is not fruitful or edifying.
 
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The antichrist is not an entity but many ideologies that oppose the truth who is God. The war is not against flesh and blood but principalities. The issue about the antichrist appearing has nothing to do with appearance of individuals but a timeline, specifically the end times.

One is only able to know what happens when in the spiritual realm by discerning Daniel's timelines. With correct calculation, one is able to know when the end times began and that simply means when satan is allowed to infiltrate the hearts of men with lies. Because the hearts of men is the temple of God, men succumbing to the lies means the antichrist has defiled the temple of God and this is what we call the abomination that causes desolate.

I guarantee you, we are so deep into this period (abomination that causes desolate) we are almost through it. It is all calculable.
I would offer that the antichrists (many) are men led by the spirit of the antichrist (singular)Satan the father of lies to do his will.
 
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I'm done on this topic, you will see it your way no matter what I say. I gave you scripture and examples in scripture.
This disputing over words is not fruitful or edifying.
Sorry, I am not rejecting what you offered but more of how it is seen . I just cannot see how a person would make the Holy Place of faith...…….. a place of this world or in respect to it seen the temporal . That would seem more to represent walking by sight.

But thanks again for your reply.
 
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Sorry, I am not rejecting what you offered but more of how it is seen . I just cannot see how a person would make the Holy Place of faith...…….. a place of this world or in respect to it seen the temporal . That would seem more to represent walking by sight.

But thanks again for your reply.
The holy place is where the blood was shed in the Old Testament. You think the real Holy Place just might be where The Lamb shed his blood?
 
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The holy place is where the blood was shed in the Old Testament. You think the real Holy Place just might be where The Lamb shed his blood?

Blood like water is used to represent the unseen spiritual .The life of the flesh is in the blood .But that life is spirit life .Literal blood without spirit essence has no life,

Christ is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world he rested from all His work on the 7th.

This work as the Lamb of God was before there was literal blood made or formed from the lifeless spiritless dust of this world.

Jesus said his flesh and blood was used as a one time demonstration of a work not seen. The flesh cannot profit as if it was spirit, the unseen .

So then we are left to try and understand the parable "drink the blood "as it relates to man seeing to literal drink it is an abomination. At every sacrifice it was to be poured out into the ground so that it could return to the lifeless, spiritless dust it was taken from.Which is was in the cross as part of the outward demonstration

Therefore the phrase "to drink the blood" as a parable informs us I belive that Christ again from before the foundation of the world . That Christ gave his Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit . There will be no double jeopardy.... once is all the just demand of the law father that he required .

The Holy place is the unseen place, not that in which the eyes see but what the eternal Spirit reveals. The holy place is the place of faith.
 

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The holy place is where the blood was shed in the Old Testament. You think the real Holy Place just might be where The Lamb shed his blood?
For the sake of this topic on this forum, the holy place referred to is Jerusalem, God's HOLY city.
How do I know this? As stated before in other posts (about 10 times by now), the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION is an ARMY which we can see in harmonizing the gospels of Matt 24 and LUke 21 of the Olivet Discourse.
 
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Blood like water is used to represent the unseen spiritual .The life of the flesh is in the blood .But that life is spirit life .Literal blood without spirit essence has no life,

Christ is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world he rested from all His work on the 7th.

This work as the Lamb of God was before there was literal blood made or formed from the lifeless spiritless dust of this world.

Jesus said his flesh and blood was used as a one time demonstration of a work not seen. The flesh cannot profit as if it was spirit, the unseen .

So then we are left to try and understand the parable "drink the blood "as it relates to man seeing to literal drink it is an abomination. At every sacrifice it was to be poured out into the ground so that it could return to the lifeless, spiritless dust it was taken from.Which is was in the cross as part of the outward demonstration

Therefore the phrase "to drink the blood" as a parable informs us I belive that Christ again from before the foundation of the world . That Christ gave his Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit . There will be no double jeopardy.... once is all the just demand of the law father that he required .

The Holy place is the unseen place, not that in which the eyes see but what the eternal Spirit reveals. The holy place is the place of faith.
You have some very strange views.
 
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For the sake of this topic on this forum, the holy place referred to is Jerusalem, God's HOLY city.
How do I know this? As stated before in other posts (about 10 times by now), the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION is an ARMY which we can see in harmonizing the gospels of Matt 24 and LUke 21 of the Olivet Discourse.
Do you mean to say that the whore
For the sake of this topic on this forum, the holy place referred to is Jerusalem, God's HOLY city.
How do I know this? As stated before in other posts (about 10 times by now), the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION is an ARMY which we can see in harmonizing the gospels of Matt 24 and LUke 21 of the Olivet Discourse.
I find it hard to believe that the bondwoman who holds her people in bondage is the holy place.