The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

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Truth7t7

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Well, Paul says over and over that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Acts tells us Jesus is a Prince and Saviour. Revelation tells us when Jesus takes His rightful place as King.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
Both accounts show the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ, and the final judgement.
 

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EDITING my Post #1360 (timed out, for editing all of it, LOL):

where I'd said
See also 1Cor15:25 "For He must reign, till..." (which comes after the verse which has the "THEN" word that is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY, with no time element attached... meaning, it is NOT saying "Then [IMMEDIATELY] the end," but instead, says, "The [SEQUENTIALLY] the end..."
Should read:

"See also 1Cor15:25 "For He must reign, till..." (which comes after the verse which has the "THEN" word that is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY, with no time element attached... meaning, it is NOT saying "Then [IMMEDIATELY] the end," but instead, says, "Then [SEQUENTIALLY] the end..." "

= )


[see much more, at that post]
 

John146

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Both accounts show the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ, and the final judgement.
Actually, it’s His return as King of this world for a thousand years. He will judge nations and rule with a rod of iron.
 

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Actually, it’s His return as King of this world for a thousand years. He will judge nations and rule with a rod of iron.
Actually it's the "Second Coming" and final judgement.

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth isn't found in the scripture, "A False Teaching Of Man"

Jesus Returns "Immediately After The Tribulation" Matthew 24:29-31

Jesus Returns in Fire, dissolving this earth by his fire in final judgement, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, 2 Peter 3:10

At the time of this final judgement by fire and it's completion, the eternal New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem are revealed for eternity

Rev 21:1-5, 2 Peter 3:13
 
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I hear what your saying, but this appears to be a new heresy in the making, not the standard Dallas Theological teachings?
I'm not sure where it came from. Dispensationalism always seems to be in a state of flux plus there are varying degrees. When I was a dispensationalist we believed that all of Matthew 24 was future but I guess they had to concede that only some of Matthew 24 was future.
 
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Actually, it’s His return as King of this world for a thousand years. He will judge nations and rule with a rod of iron.
He does rule this world with a rod of IRON right now. Iron is the FOURTH kingdom, it is not a THIRD dimensional kingdom. Antifa is part of the iron kingdom that Jesus is using on the US right now.

Edit: I'm guessing you thought the rod of iron was a literal rod of iron?
 

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Actually it's the "Second Coming" and final judgement.

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth isn't found in the scripture, "A False Teaching Of Man"

Jesus Returns "Immediately After The Tribulation" Matthew 24:29-31

Jesus Returns in Fire, dissolving this earth by his fire in final judgement, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, 2 Peter 3:10

At the time of this final judgement by fire and it's completion, the eternal New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem are revealed for eternity

Rev 21:1-5, 2 Peter 3:13
payouts know absolutely well a thousand year reign is found in Scripture. Our interpretation may differ, but it’s in Scripture. Revelation 20...
 

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He does rule this world with a rod of IRON right now. Iron is the FOURTH kingdom, it is not a THIRD dimensional kingdom. Antifa is part of the iron kingdom that Jesus is using on the US right now.

Edit: I'm guessing you thought the rod of iron was a literal rod of iron?
If Jesus is ruling this world right now, He sure is allowing a lot of sin and darkness in His kingdom. That’s not my Jesus. When He will finally rule, sin and darkness will be no more. That’s ruling with a rod of iron.
 

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I'm not sure where it came from. Dispensationalism always seems to be in a state of flux plus there are varying degrees. When I was a dispensationalist we believed that all of Matthew 24 was future but I guess they had to concede that only some of Matthew 24 was future.
All Matthew 24 is future. What parts are not future?
 

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Edit: I'm guessing you thought the rod of iron was a literal rod of iron?
"But unto the Son: "Your throne, O God, is unto the age [singular] of the age [singular], and the scepter [/rod] of righteousness is the scepter [rod] of Your kingdom."


scepter = rod... same word in this Heb1:8 verse as is in Revelation 19:15b ["future tense" there, from even that point in the chronology]


[this word is also found in Rev2:26-27... read those two verses very carefully, to see what they are saying ;) ]
 
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If Jesus is ruling this world right now, He sure is allowing a lot of sin and darkness in His kingdom. That’s not my Jesus. When He will finally rule, sin and darkness will be no more. That’s ruling with a rod of iron.
I take it you've never read the parables about the kingdom of heaven. In one of them, the kingdom of heaven is like a WICKED WOMAN, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, those antichrist Jews that you guys worship, she took leaven (FALSE DOCTRINE) and put it into the kingdom.

Mat_13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Do dispensationalist even read the bible? What part of that makes you think SIN and DARKNESS aren't in the kingdom of heaven? Look at the leaven dispensationalist have spread throughout the kingdom of heaven.... and you're one of the ones putting leaven into the kingdom.
 
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"But unto the Son: "Your throne, O God, is unto the age [singular] of the age [singular], and the scepter [/rod] of righteousness is the scepter [rod] of Your kingdom."


scepter = rod... same word in this Heb1:8 verse as is in Revelation 19:15b ["future tense" there, from even that point in the chronology]


[this word is also found in Rev2:26-27... read those two verses very carefully, to see what they are saying ;) ]
SMH
 

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I take it you've never read the parables about the kingdom of heaven. In one of them, the kingdom of heaven is like a WICKED WOMAN, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, those antichrist Jews that you guys worship, she took leaven (FALSE DOCTRINE) and put it into the kingdom.

Mat_13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Do dispensationalist even read the bible? What part of that makes you think SIN and DARKNESS aren't in the kingdom of heaven? Look at the leaven dispensationalist have spread throughout the kingdom of heaven.... and you're one of the ones putting leaven into the kingdom.
Problem is, you’re equating the kingdom of heaven with the kingdom of God.
 

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the kingdom of heaven is like a WICKED WOMAN, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, those antichrist Jews that you guys worship, she took leaven (FALSE DOCTRINE) and put it into the kingdom.
Where in Matthew is this found? The kingdom of heaven is only found in Matthew.