The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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angel (n.)
"one of a class of spiritual beings, attendants and messengers of God," a c. 1300 fusion of Old English engel (with hard -g-) and Old French angele. Both are from Late Latin angelus, from Greek angelos, literally "messenger, envoy, one that announces," in the New Testament "divine messenger," which is possibly related to angaros "mounted courier," both from an unknown Oriental word (Watkins compares Sanskrit ajira- "swift;" Klein suggests Semitic sources). Used in Scriptural translations for Hebrew mal'akh (yehowah) "messenger (of Jehovah)," from base l-'-k "to send." An Old English word for it was aerendgast, literally "errand-spirit."
Are you talking about that blessed hope that hasn't come to the millions of believers over the last 2000 years, the blessed hope that only applies to that very NARROW band of futurist at the end of time. You are only one in a line people throughout history that have thought THEY were that SPECIAL group that would be raptured out of here.
Or are you talking about that blessed hope that when we die, Jesus appears from the heavens to take us in just like he did with Stephen?
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
"one of a class of spiritual beings, attendants and messengers of God," a c. 1300 fusion of Old English engel (with hard -g-) and Old French angele. Both are from Late Latin angelus, from Greek angelos, literally "messenger, envoy, one that announces," in the New Testament "divine messenger," which is possibly related to angaros "mounted courier," both from an unknown Oriental word (Watkins compares Sanskrit ajira- "swift;" Klein suggests Semitic sources). Used in Scriptural translations for Hebrew mal'akh (yehowah) "messenger (of Jehovah)," from base l-'-k "to send." An Old English word for it was aerendgast, literally "errand-spirit."
Are you talking about that blessed hope that hasn't come to the millions of believers over the last 2000 years, the blessed hope that only applies to that very NARROW band of futurist at the end of time. You are only one in a line people throughout history that have thought THEY were that SPECIAL group that would be raptured out of here.
Or are you talking about that blessed hope that when we die, Jesus appears from the heavens to take us in just like he did with Stephen?
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
in this part here:
"2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm
he talks about a "universally known Church founded and organized at Rome".
do you agree with him there?
is the church organized at Rome?
"the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
in your view, does the faith still come down to us through the succession of bishops?
did that process stop at some point?
"2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm
he talks about a "universally known Church founded and organized at Rome".
do you agree with him there?
is the church organized at Rome?
"the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
in your view, does the faith still come down to us through the succession of bishops?
did that process stop at some point?
I want to point out something about clouds.
Literal clouds, like everything else literal in this world, are only SHADOWS of heavenly things. Literal clouds are water suspended in the air and they are foreshadowing the REAL WATER which is the word of God suspended in THE BELIEVER'S SPIRIT.
Literal clouds, like everything else literal in this world, are only there to help us understand EXACTLY what the spiritual things they foreshadow are.
Literal clouds, like everything else literal in this world, are only SHADOWS of heavenly things. Literal clouds are water suspended in the air and they are foreshadowing the REAL WATER which is the word of God suspended in THE BELIEVER'S SPIRIT.
Literal clouds, like everything else literal in this world, are only there to help us understand EXACTLY what the spiritual things they foreshadow are.
Come on KJV 1611...going outside of scripture to define scripture? Not so brother. You know the KJV will define itself.
Also, the Lord was standing at the preaching of Stephen because if that leadership of Israel would have received the truth, the Lord was ready to return and fulfill the rest of prophecy. But instead, they stoned Stephen and the Lord sat back down where He has been ever since.
In the book of James, during the time of Jacob’s trouble, the Lord is standing again ready to come back and judge the nations.
James 5:
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
Also, the Lord was standing at the preaching of Stephen because if that leadership of Israel would have received the truth, the Lord was ready to return and fulfill the rest of prophecy. But instead, they stoned Stephen and the Lord sat back down where He has been ever since.
In the book of James, during the time of Jacob’s trouble, the Lord is standing again ready to come back and judge the nations.
James 5:
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
An alternative understanding of the Lord being seen to be standing upright in that passage,
is that Christ Jesus is, at that moment, taking on the role of Advocate (lawyer), pleading His Blood as a defense before the Father before receiving the soul of Stephen. The lawyer will always stand before the judge when pleading his case, while the judge remains seated.
is that Christ Jesus is, at that moment, taking on the role of Advocate (lawyer), pleading His Blood as a defense before the Father before receiving the soul of Stephen. The lawyer will always stand before the judge when pleading his case, while the judge remains seated.