The Anti-Christ Will Be a Man or Islam?

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Man or Islam

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#41
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? So, now the Jewish people is the antichrist? America denies Jesus, so maybe we are the antichrist?
For many deceivers are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ (Messiah) is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ. 2 John v. 7

Only the naïve and those hopelessly brainwashed cannot who the above is describing.
 
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Would it not be creepy if we had been deceived from the time religions were taken from Egypt? Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. ...etc. Very few date back beyond 1000bc however Egyptian religion or gods may go back beyond 4000bc. The anti-christ may very well had been working since 2000bc and beyond. Do you really talk to God or has humanity become enslaved by believing a lie?
 
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Radius, you need to be reminded that the word anti-Christ does not occur in Revelation.
You are correct, sadly many have been misled into believing that the leopard, bear, lion best which is a kingdom is a world leader falsely called the antichrist. Unfortunately some of today’s modern pop doctrines concerning eschatology mistakenly teach antichrist, beast and the man of sin is the same entity. Beasts are kingdoms, antichrists are simply those who deny Christ. The man of sin isn’t some boogeyman that rules the world from a temple (that is not the temple of God Acts7:48 and Acts17:24) in Jerusalem, but he can be found in the real temple of God(Eph2:19-21).

Neither is there some one man only boogey man in this book. Walid Shoebat promotes this idea as a smokescreen, a smokescreen for those identified by the only applications of "anti-Christ" in scripture.
Satan’s ploy has worked well sadly many are so busy looking over their shoulder for some boogeyman they fail to realize that in today’s world alone there are literally over 1.5 billion antichrists surrounding us in todays world (not counting the billions that have lived and died since John first wrote about them).

Go to 1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John v. 7 and find the anti-Christ identified as a plurality, and by their theology. "An anti-Christ" is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, anyone who denies that Jesus (Messiah)---"is come in the flesh." Now, who does this sound like?
Atheists. Muslims and the list goes on and on, there are many that deny Christ.

Does it describe a future boogey man who betrays the Israelis, or does it sound more like the Israelis?
It sounds like any one who denies Christ.. Israel’s citizens are just like the citizens of any other country some deny Christ and some don’t.
 
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I say it's a smokescreen because original context (1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John v. 7) identifies the anti-Christ:

1. Present in tense.
2. As a plurality.
3. In a theological context, one which includes most Israelis.

Any person who denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah of Bible prophecy is, according to these verses, a liar, and anti-Christ. There are no exceptions. Anyone who denies this truth, that Jesus is the Christ, that Messiah is come ---in the flesh, is, according to Bible definition, a liar, deceiver, and an anti-Christ. Collectively they are the anti-Christ and are among those for whom Christians are maintain a policy of nonsupport. We are warned not to receive them into our house, nor to bid them Godspeed lest we be partakers of their evil deeds (2 John vv. 10-11).

I Hope this helps everyone see through the smokescreen.
 
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1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

See the distinction?
I don't understand why you saying this is a smokescreen, or out of context.
Maybe because John already told us who the antichrist they heard shall come was.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Yes John told us "ye have heard antichrist shall come" but then he told us exactly who/what that antichrist was when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."


Notice how well "ye have heard that antichrist shall come" fits with "whereof ye have heard that it should come". Leave the word spirit (added by the translaters) out of 1 John4:3 and it is not hard to see.
 
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#46
Doulos, are you too working for:

Them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9; 3:9
 
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But Doulos, why do you admit it's anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ---and then imply exceptions for a nation of neo-Pharisees in old Palestine. Did not Jesus, when saying, "ye are of your father the devil" (John 8:44) identify this mindset?
 
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Maybe because John already told us who the antichrist they heard shall come was.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Yes John told us "ye have heard antichrist shall come" but then he told us exactly who/what that antichrist was when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."


Notice how well "ye have heard that antichrist shall come" fits with "whereof ye have heard that it should come". Leave the word spirit (added by the translaters) out of 1 John4:3 and it is not hard to see.
Them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9; 39

Ye are of your father the devil. John 8:44

...Ye are not of God. John 8: 47


 
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The antichrist will be a man who will claim to Be God and say he is above all their religions and be above all their Gods.

His agenda will be it is all about man with no governmental or religious authority above them and will not worship a personal God but acknowledge the God of forces and be a nature worshipper who will convince the world that he has tapped in to nature the Cosmos and received power.

So the antichrist or the beast will not recognize any God or religion and man is the highest power who can tap in to nature to achieve that power.

He will want the falling of all governments and religions.

The Bible also says that he will come from the Roman Empire who will come to power at the last days as the powerbase of the antichrist which the Roman Empire will cause all nations to come together.
Johns application of "anti-Christ" (1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John v. 7) proves that yours is totally out of context.
 
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I think i speak for a few .... im no anti christ because i question all this nonsense. I am just like all of you!!!!! Born in a regular family haven't got anything. Get up and go to work everyday and pay my taxes. I want you to understand what you are saying....me, a regular guy with a huge family who all love me, has in your words Transmutated in to the antichrist. NO!!!! Have you completely lost it? There is WAY too much put on scriptures that you really have no idea where they came from!! I have my faith also, could it be that faith is growing weak? Yes.....the more i read the more i know there is something very wrong. I can assure you no one is the antichrist here neither are the other main religions. That is ridiculous. None of them have a choice as to where they are born and books they have access to or even how they are raised. You are going to call them the antichrist because of some ignorant piece of scripture that just helps me confirm there is something very wrong.
 
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Doulos, are you too working for:
Them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 2:9; 3:9
No I am not. Historicist are you working to subject Israeli Christian, Jews, muslims atheists etc to sharia law? If you stand with the fake Palestineans against Israel that is exactly what you are doing!


But Doulos, why do you admit it's anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ---and then imply exceptions for a nation of neo-Pharisees in old Palestine.
Where is old Palestine? Palestine is/was not a country. The name Palestine was assigned to Israel by a Godless 2nd century Roman ruler in an effort to insult Jews and erase Israel. Many arabs in todays world try doing the same thing by claiming they are Palestinean but in reality they are Jordanians etc … that falsely claim they are Palestinean.

"One day during the 1960s I went to bed a Jordanian Muslim, and when I woke up the next morning, I was informed that I was now a Palestinian Muslim, and that I was no longer a Jordanian Muslim."- Walid Schoebat


Why do you imply that the citizens of Israel are “a nation of neo-Pharisees”? What right do you have to assign beliefs to Israeli citizens? Aren’t the citizens of Israel just like any other nation? Don’t some follow Christianity, some Judaism, some islamic and others atheists etc….? Do you want these people to live under sharia law? If not then why not support the Jews right to the land God gave them?

Did not Jesus, when saying, "ye are of your father the devil" (John 8:44) identify this mindset?
Who was Jesus talking to?
John8:33-34
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage
to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin
John8:33-34 makes it clear that Jesus recognized biologically (physical seed) they were the descendents of Abraham (not Satan). It is not about the flesh (physical seed) but about the heart (spiritual seed).
Rom2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Clearly from Romans we can see that it is not about the flesh, the physical seed but about the spiritual seed. It is the circumcision of the heart that matters not our genealogy. So can a physical descendant of Abraham have the circumcision of heart that comes from being born again? Sure they can, Weren’t the old testament saints born again? Aren’t there many Jews in today’s world that have placed their faith in Christ?
Christ G6647
Χριστός
Christos
khris-tos'
From G5548; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: - Christ.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Who are the enemies of the gospel that are elect?

 
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Anti-christ is just denying Christ and his Promise of Salvation. That's all that is

Where ya'll went wrong is you took what pop culture said and then tried to make the prophecies fit pop culture. Lol, that's not how the prophecies work at all. Revelations don't talk about "the anti-christ." It talks about a multitude of messed up things. All of them really aren't that hard to decode if you take them for what they are without trying to make them fit this or that. Then things get hairy as the probability for them occuring steadily becomes more realistic.

We ain't in the end of days. If Final Prophecies have begun we're at the Beginning of Sorrows not the End of Days. In which case there's still a lot more messed up stuff to happen before the first or seconds beasts or the destruction of the harlot upon whose forehead is written Mystery Babylon the Great, that deceived all nations and holds the cup of all the blasphemies on earth.

And don't forget people the Sign of Jonah. End Times don't have to happen yet. Sign of Jonah still applies. God won't destroy the Earth if people repent of their evil. He ain't even saying you have to convert to Christianity, merely repent of evil. But if the whole world gets wicked beyond compare and forsakes salvation and forsakes redemption and chooses instead to pursue worldwide wickedness, like it is steadily doing, well, what must happen must happen.

And also don't forget, the End of Times means nothing because ya'll forgot the final part of the prophecy, the Resurrection and Salvation by God of all those who were good and the total destruction of death and suffering forever and ever. So remember, all you gotta know is Christ's purpose and promise, and even if all the terrible things must happen, ultimately it doesn't matter because God bought everyone an escape from death with the blood of Jesus.
 

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I'm looking for the NEITHER button!

Why people get so worked up about something that doesn't matter is beyond me.

Follow Christ, and you will never have to worry.

And for those worried about persecution!! People are being persecuted all over the world right now. On death row, like the American pastor in Iran, for his faith. Those are daily occurrences of people who are "against" Christ!
Hi Angela, I don't think it's worry. You are absolutely correct that we need to keep our eyes on Jesus, however the book of Revelation IS in Scripture, end times prophecy IS all over the Bible, 2 Timothy: All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
I have seen some people become obsessed with this subject matter almost to the exclusion of the rest of Scripture, but I believe God DOES want us to learn about this prophecy.
 
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I saw this thread and excuse me if this thought has already been looked at. I believe the Anti-Christ/Man of Lawlessness is actually related back to a biblical figure back in Genesis namely Nimrod. The reason being is the links to him in all the ancient false religions in Biblical times and even right upto date.

Symbols of the eye of ra or the obelisk are all kinds of symbols linked to Nimrod.

Here is another thought was Jesus giving us a clue as to who his enemy would be? Matt 24 v 37.. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

I mean Nimrod was right there at the time of Noah. He constructed Babylon among other cities...

Genesis 10:8-12

8 Cush was the father[a] of Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on the earth.9 He was a mightyhunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.”10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in[b] Shinar.[c]11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir,[d] Calah12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.

Interestingly the term "Mighty Warrior" comes from the Hebrew word Tyrant. Also Nimrod's name could be linked to the Hebrew Nimrodh meaning Let us Revolt..

Anyway here is an interesting link for on You Tube although maybe worth a study to check out Nimrod for yourself he could be the link to all

Nimrod's Return: Anti-Christ Rising, Mystery Religion, Rebuilding the Tower (Part 1/2) - YouTube

Nimrod's Mystery Religions: False Trinities, Vatican Influences & More (Part 2/2) - YouTube
 
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I am not totally in agreement with all that the videos show especially its comments on the trinity.

However, I do believe that a figure like Nimrod could well be the Anti-Christ.
 
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I am not totally in agreement with all that the videos show especially its comments on the trinity.

However, I do believe that a figure like Nimrod could well be the Anti-Christ.
I didn't get a chance to watch the videos, but Nimrod is definitely used as a 'type' for the 'man of sin'(commonly referred to as the Antichrist, and will continued to be labeled as such by me).

Cain, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Antiochus Epiphanes, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Nero, and Constantine are some of the 'types' that prophesy to what the Antichrist will do. These men all had the spirit of antichrist.
Some will say that Pharaoh does not belong on this list, but he is the first clear example of someone resisting the salvation of God's Chosen People, which is the opposite of Christ.
 
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I didn't get a chance to watch the videos, but Nimrod is definitely used as a 'type' for the 'man of sin'(commonly referred to as the Antichrist, and will continued to be labeled as such by me).

Cain, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Antiochus Epiphanes, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Nero, and Constantine are some of the 'types' that prophesy to what the Antichrist will do. These men all had the spirit of antichrist.
Some will say that Pharaoh does not belong on this list, but he is the first clear example of someone resisting the salvation of God's Chosen People, which is the opposite of Christ.
I agree to the Pharaoh...the process would be known as apo-theosis

Babel-->Egypt-->Assyria-->Babylon-->Persia-->Greece-->Rome-->Little Horn out from ten headed beast
They all have one thing in common...The King, Pharaoh, Satrap, Prince etc. worshipped as a god and or a claim
of deity.

Geo-Political-Religious unification under one man that is apo-theosis (above God) worshipped as God! Satan's continuing attempt to bring about the one world geo-political-religious unification under one man (the beast) a.k.a. the anti-Christ (yeah I know) while continuously being suppressed by God as the time had not yet come.

For a current look at the application of "apo-theosis" look no further that the capitol dome found in the (District of Columbia) and the (apo-theosis) of George Washington

Isis-->Ishtar-->Astarte-->Libertas-->Liberty
Worship God as you please (guaranteed by our fast failing constitution) is our religion and is totally contrary to John chapter 4!
 
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Isis Ra.....Israel....Elohim. So let me get this right. John wrote a few things 4000 years or more after the concept of Christ was formed in Egypt through Osiris and John trumps everything?