The Antichrist has changed God's law and times.

[Scuba]

Believe me the miracles and signs of wonders wont have to be approved by his camp, the miracles are going to take the world by storm because they hated the truth and loved a lie instead.

Learn to read Scripture not the SDA propaganda.

Those who are in his camp are God's people. This is why God says, "Come our of her My people lest you share in her sins".

You say this is SDA propaganda but most of the early church fathers of the protestant reformation believed and taught these very same things. Even Martin Luther, who was a Catholic priest believed and taught this. Many people were killed because of it.

 

[RedTent]

Scuba: Daniel 7:25 He (the Antichrist) shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.

This scripture sent me on a long deep study. I could see that the church was changing times and law. The change in law was not like it was told of in Hebrews, but many in the church was changing even the law as had been put in the arc of the Covenant, they were trying to say it was God's principles that they changed. All the Sabbaths and times were changed, some said the Sabbath was no more. Others said it was OK to rule out Saturday as Sabbath, but no one should touch their Sunday Sabbath. Holidays and feasts God ordained were all changed from anything scripture said to what some men wanted.

But I don't think that we have a right to judge the Pope as antichrist. I think we should each look to ourselves to see if all we believe is for the Lord or against the Lord. If it follows scripture or men.

I started my study by reading history after history of the church in the first 500 years. I used both the library and the internet, carefully checking the background of the authors. Most of them agree, our church's traditions and customs are not based on scripture. Behind it all was a struggle between the gentiles and Jews. At first the Christian Jews led, and they stayed closer to scripture although they were sort of anti-gentile, and many were sure gentiles had to become Jews or they were out. That is the way it had always been. People like Ruth became a Jew, most with special rites. By 132 the Romans killed off most of the Jews, the rest scattered. Gentiles now led and they were worse against the Jews than the Jews were against the gentiles. They not only turned on the Jews, but on any way the Jews worshipped. God gave Passover to celebrate Christ, so they had to create Easter for that. The Jews hadn't wanted gentiles in synagogue on Saturday, so they had church on Sunday like they were used to doing before they became Christians.

It is such an enlightening and interesting study. It is shocking, also. I was moved to tears many times. I think the most shocking report is a recap of the Council at Nicene. The Nicene Creed has always inspired me, it seems straight from the Lord. When you read why they did some of the other things that happened at the council it really seems straight from hell.

I then found copies of the reports of Christian councils for up to the year 1,000. It is a depressing study, and makes me want to shout to go back to just plain scripture, that if it isn't in scripture dump it.

 

[crossnote]

Those who are in his camp are God's people. This is why God says, "Come our of her My people lest you share in her sins".

You say this is SDA propaganda but most of the early church fathers of the protestant reformation believed and taught these very same things. Even Martin Luther, who was a Catholic priest believed and taught this. Many people were killed because of it.

Reformers failed to Reform Rome's eschatology. Their bitterness against Rome moved to proclaim the papacy as the seat of antichrist.
If it is his seat he hasn't yet personally appeared.

 

[Scuba]

But I don't think that we have a right to judge the Pope as antichrist. I think we should each look to ourselves to see if all we believe is for the Lord or against the Lord. If it follows scripture or men.

When the Bible speaks of the Antichrist and the Beast it's not referring to one particular person, it's referring to a position that is held by a man and the Beast (Vatican) is that kingdom that the man rules.



God has gone to great lengths to help us identify the Beast. Unlocking Bible Prophecy

The Vatican is surly the woman (church) that sits on seven hills.

Revelation 17:9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

"It is within the city of Rome, called The City on Seven Hills, that the entire area of Vatican State Proper is now confined" The Catholic Encyclopedia

Let us pray for eyes to see and ears to hear...

 

[Scuba]

Reformers failed to Reform Rome's eschatology. Their bitterness against Rome moved to proclaim the papacy as the seat of antichrist.
If it is his seat he hasn't yet personally appeared.

Revelation 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

The protestant reformation came out from the Beast but it kept much of what the Beast believes and practices. The reformation became what the Bible calls, "The image of the Beast".

Statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

 

[crossnote]

Revelation 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

The protestant reformation came out from the Beast but it kept much of what the Beast believes and practices. The reformation became what the Bible calls, "The image of the Beast".

Statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

I prefer to see the apostate-ecumenical-all-inclusive movement as the vehicle of the 2nd beast or false prophet which works hand in hand with the political beast yet to be revealed.

 

[Scuba]

I prefer to see the apostate-ecumenical-all-inclusive movement as the vehicle of the 2nd beast or false prophet which works hand in hand with the political beast yet to be revealed.

You will have to turn a blind eye to hundreds of years of history, fulfilled Bible prophecy, the testimony of millions of martyrs, official statements of the Papacy regarding themselves and the fact that much of what mainline churches believe and teach today came from the Papacy which in turn came from Babylon.

 

[RedTent]

When the Bible speaks of the Antichrist and the Beast it's not referring to one particular person, it's referring to a position that is held by a man and the Beast (Vatican) is that kingdom that the man rules.

God has gone to great lengths to help us identify the Beast. Unlocking Bible Prophecy

The Vatican is surly the woman (church) that sits on seven hills.

Revelation 17:9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

"It is within the city of Rome, called The City on Seven Hills, that the entire area of Vatican State Proper is now confined" The Catholic Encyclopedia

Let us pray for eyes to see and ears to hear...

The Catholic church is being used by God, also, to tell people about Christ. If the Pope is the anti Christ we all should consider it, but not In the sense of taking the judgment of him away from the Lord, but in the sense of being ready to help working for the Lord.

An example is that I was given a dear neighbor, an ex nun, who loved the Lord. She also loved her church so much she couldn't see it. I made myself available to the Lord to open her eyes to some things they believed in that was against scripture. I could do this effectively because we loved each other and were friends.

God never wants us to sit back and say look, God, aren't those people just awful!! At the same time God wants us to see sin clearly. So we are to keep our eye on the Lord, not on the anti Christ's of our world, At the same time, we are to watch for any way we can be used for the Kingdom.

What we can do for the kingdom the is best is looking for the log in our own eye, as my post pointed out.

At the same time, thank you for telling us to beware!

 

[Scuba]

The Catholic church is being used by God, also, to tell people about Christ.

Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

 

[RedTent]

Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

My neighbor was confused about many things, like the place of Mary in her life, the reasons all the statues of Christ was wrong, etc., but she was not confused about Christ as her Savior. She understood many bible truths that my church could not in any way understand so we could discuss many scriptures together that I am my pastor cannot. Through all her ignorance caused by putting her church before scripture, we could find scripture we both knew.

 

[Scuba]

My neighbor was confused about many things, like the place of Mary in her life, the reasons all the statues of Christ was wrong, etc., but she was not confused about Christ as her Savior. She understood many bible truths that my church could not in any way understand so we could discuss many scriptures together that I am my pastor cannot. Through all her ignorance caused by putting her church before scripture, we could find scripture we both knew.

I never sit in the seat of judgement regarding one's salvation. Salvation is God's business which starts from the inside. It's all about who you love and worship. I have spoken to many Catholics who love God and understand how the Roman Catholic church (RCC) is off on many things. Then I have spoken to many Catholics who would fight to the death to defend the RCC and all that it believes and teaches, especially Catholics from Central America. When you really dig into the beliefs and teachings of the RCC you will find them very evil and unbiblical. Most Catholics don't even know what their church believes for example, when I've asked Catholics to explain the immaculate conception they say Jesus was born without sin but this is false according to RCC. The immaculate conception is the belief that Mary was born without sin, not Jesus. To me, the important evidence of salvation is manifested in their heart orientation to truth and their love for God and neighbor.

 

[4enlightment]

This is called breaking the second commandment: Matthew 6:1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

 

[crossnote]

You will have to turn a blind eye to hundreds of years of history, fulfilled Bible prophecy, the testimony of millions of martyrs, official statements of the Papacy regarding themselves and the fact that much of what mainline churches believe and teach today came from the Papacy which in turn came from Babylon.

I simply don't hold to a historicist view. I see most events in Revelation as future.

 

[4enlightment]

This verse is saying that no one hasn't reach the Sabbath; the Sabbath was made for us, but not us for the Sabbath.

Hebrews 3:11 So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”

This is the Sabbath: Revelation 21:4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

 

[4enlightment]

Jesus had risen on the third day in the morning, which means the morning is the half of that day since the beginning of the day start at evening. and so it was a day and another day and a half of a day. 2,500 years later from when He first had came, He will be exalted again during this period.

 

[ThomistColin]

Those who are in his camp are God's people. This is why God says, "Come our of her My people lest you share in her sins".

You say this is SDA propaganda but most of the early church fathers of the protestant reformation believed and taught these very same things. Even Martin Luther, who was a Catholic priest believed and taught this. Many people were killed because of it.

And yet, even Martin Luther believed in Sunday worship and the literal presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Get a life, and stop reading this badly recreated Jack Chick conspiracy.

 

[Scuba]

And yet, even Martin Luther believed in Sunday worship and the literal presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Get a life, and stop reading this badly recreated Jack Chick conspiracy.

Martin Luther, at one point, believed everything the RCC offered that's why he was a Catholic priest until God started doing a work in him. Most of the time people don't come out of Babylon all at once, sometimes it takes years to unpack the Babylonian luggage. Do your research and check back. I'll be here waiting.

 

[Scuba]

I simply don't hold to a historicist view. I see most events in Revelation as future.

What I mean by historical facts is the fulfilled prophecies of all the Beast kingdoms and the timeline of these events that took place already. God paints a very clear picture and has left a very clear and accurate path to follow leading us to the identity of Antichrist and his kingdom. He did the same thing with leading us to identify Messiah. The second coming is still in the future, the millennial kingdom is still in the future but the Antichrist and his kingdom is here and has been hear for many years. Research the history books and compare them with Scripture.

 

[jb]

That and 50 cents might get you a cup of coffee.

Grow up!

1Cor 3v1-8

 

[jag1977]

The Antichrist claims to have authority to changes God's Law and times. This was prophesied by God that it would happen.

Daniel 7:25 He (the Antichrist) shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.

Does the Antichrist claim to have authority to changes God's times and Law? Yes he does.

"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

Did he change God's times and Law. Yes he did. He changed the seventh day Sabbath to the first day.

Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?​

Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.

Did he change God's Law? Yes he did. He removed the second commandment, which speaks against idols.

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Now the Catholic church has idols.

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Since he removed the second commandment the third commandment becomes the second commandment and the fourth commandment becomes the third. Since he removed the second commandment from the ten that only leaves nine commandments so he makes two commandments out of the ninth commandment so that there will still be ten commandments.

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This in not just a coincidence, this is Bible prophecy being fulfilled right before your eyes. repent and believe God and stop worship the Beast and it's image.

Actually not only if the pope wrote that but if one posted this knowing that all these commandments are wrong only claiming one or two are wrong you and I know you are wrong and probably pretending to be helping those trying to find an answer however you condemn all who follow you. Keep pretending and it one or all shall go from you and the door shall be closed