The Ark Returns

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Fundaamental

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I, categorically disagree with the notion that there's anything missing from the Bible... I think that God gave us all that we need to know.
Yes, there's clearly some questions that I have too... but when we start thinking, like you are now, I can predict nothing but trouble. While it's fine to wonder about such things... but when it takes you down roads that lead us away from the basic principles found in the Bible... I don't want to go there. It's a shame to watch folks wander off into fantastical thinking...
my wording may not be best but is it possible the father could have been the oracle in noah and the father in heaven really is called noah,

When I say missing I refer to lack of understanding,

Theres definitely a connection between the arks the covenants and the oracle
 

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It's interesting to me this thread,

Why is an oracle associated with the ark,

And what is the oracle ?.

Is the oracle an extension of the ark

Could Noah be the gate keeper of the oracle.

Or a guardian of the oracle, and is the heavenly ark the oracle
Hello Fundaamental, We are trying to understand your questions, Are you understanding the OP and what is going on there with the story? I know it might seem strange to answer with a question also.

Love, Walter And Debbie
 

Fundaamental

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Hello Fundaamental, We are trying to understand your questions, Are you understanding the OP and what is going on there with the story? I know it might seem strange to answer with a question also.

Love, Walter And Debbie
The op states the ark returns,

I view it as a future prophecy, but its a rescue ark that is a huge tunnel of light from this world to a kingdom of heaven.

I also see noah in the vision who will guard this ark at the other end there is a silver floor, the oracle will be the light of the lord that will surround this ark, which is a tunnel of light that will cover a huge distance of light years away between two worlds,

The tunnel is an opaque black with a maroon glow taint to it. You'll simply travel light years in a moments,

Noah is there at the other end who says welcome home 😊
 

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The op states the ark returns,

I view it as a future prophecy, but its a rescue ark that is a huge tunnel of light from this world to a kingdom of heaven.

I also see noah in the vision who will guard this ark at the other end there is a silver floor, the oracle will be the light of the lord that will surround this ark, which is a tunnel of light that will cover a huge distance of light years away between two worlds,

The tunnel is an opaque black with a maroon glow taint to it. You'll simply travel light years in a moments,

Noah is there at the other end who says welcome home 😊
I noticed your Avator, does it have anything to do with:
fun·da·men·tal·ism
[ˌfəndəˈmen(t)lˌizəm]

NOUN
  1. a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture:
    "there was religious pluralism there at a time when the rest of Europe was torn by fundamentalism"
    ?
 

Fundaamental

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I noticed your Avator, does it have anything to do with:
fun·da·men·tal·ism
[ˌfəndəˈmen(t)lˌizəm]

NOUN
  1. a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture:
    "there was religious pluralism there at a time when the rest of Europe was torn by fundamentalism"
    ?
no it's do with keeping my gravy,

I couldnt bare to be without it lol 😊
 

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It's interesting to me this thread,

Why is an oracle associated with the ark,

And what is the oracle ?.

Is the oracle an extension of the ark

Could Noah be the gate keeper of the oracle.

Or a guardian of the oracle, and is the heavenly ark the oracle
Moses went up to the top of Mount Sinai and entered the cloud where he remained fourty days he received the book of genesis , he also received a pattern of things in heaven where God dwells

the earthly pattern included the whole tabernacle design and all the instruments and alters man made copies of the ones in heaven god showed this to Moses and said this after all the ma y descriptions in the law for the temple it’s alters and design it’s rooms and services of the priesthood ect even the ark at its center were copies of what Moses saw

“And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:40‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We find out later Jesus and the New Testament is the reality of those patterns

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-5‬ ‭

There’s a whole doctrine about this in the Bible how the Old Testament patterns were actually prophetic about Christ and the gospel

“For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. (The blood of goats and calves )It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;( animal blood )

but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true;

but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:19-20, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the old was all a pattern shown to Moses the ark particularly is a pattern of Gods throne the mercy seat , the sprinkled blood upon it , the angels around him spreading their wings carrying his throne

The ark was in the center of the temple and was where Gods presence would appear sitting on the mercy seat once per year at atonement day a pattern of what Jesus would do once for all by his own sacrifice of his own eternally cleansing blood sprinkled upon his throne and upon the alter before him

moses word was a pattern fore Jesus word , animal blood a pattern for Jesus blood , isreel a pattern for all believers in Christ , the temple they made was a copy made from a pattern of the true tabernacle shown to Moses and the ark of the testimony is pattern for the throne of God where he would shed his blood because of his own mercy to cover mankind’s sin who repent and believe in him

a you can learn a lot about the New Testament from studying the structure of the old because it’s all a pattern

blood
 

Fundaamental

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my gravy is my space and freedom, and also my love for Christianity 🙂

Gravity is also a fundamental force of our universe, but if you remove it you get gravy,

So basically no one can take my gravy 😊
 

Fundaamental

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Moses went up to the top of Mount Sinai and entered the cloud where he remained fourty days he received the book of genesis , he also received a pattern of things in heaven where God dwells

the earthly pattern included the whole tabernacle design and all the instruments and alters man made copies of the ones in heaven god showed this to Moses and said this after all the ma y descriptions in the law for the temple it’s alters and design it’s rooms and services of the priesthood ect even the ark at its center were copies of what Moses saw

“And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:40‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We find out later Jesus and the New Testament is the reality of those patterns

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-5‬ ‭

There’s a whole doctrine about this in the Bible how the Old Testament patterns were actually prophetic about Christ and the gospel

“For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. (The blood of goats and calves )It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;( animal blood )

but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true;

but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:19-20, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the old was all a pattern shown to Moses the ark particularly is a pattern of Gods throne the mercy seat , the sprinkled blood upon it , the angels around him spreading their wings carrying his throne

The ark was in the center of the temple and was where Gods presence would appear sitting on the mercy seat once per year at atonement day a pattern of what Jesus would do once for all by his own sacrifice of his own eternally cleansing blood sprinkled upon his throne and upon the alter before him

moses word was a pattern fore Jesus word , animal blood a pattern for Jesus blood , isreel a pattern for all believers in Christ , the temple they made was a copy made from a pattern of the true tabernacle shown to Moses and the ark of the testimony is pattern for the throne of God where he would shed his blood because of his own mercy to cover mankind’s sin who repent and believe in him

a you can learn a lot about the New Testament from studying the structure of the old because it’s all a pattern

blood
I know an oracle can be a word received, but is that word not also the light 🙂
 

Nehemiah6

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because it says the lord was speaking to noah. So it could be noah is God father, and Jesus is the lord God to. I just wonder if the missing ark is that we should pray to noah to. There's clear something missing in the bible I just wonder in the old testament was it reversed where by Jesus stayed in heaven and the father came down.
This post is about as BIZARRE as a post can get. Some spirit is working on you to become thoroughly confused. There is nothing missing in the Bible. "Pray to Noah?" Really?
 

Fundaamental

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This post is about as BIZARRE as a post can get. Some spirit is working on you to become thoroughly confused. There is nothing missing in the Bible. "Pray to Noah?" Really?
are you baiting me again ?

I put the wording and the meaning right of what I first wrote, it's a shame you never saw that.

my wording may not be best but is it possible the father could have been the oracle in noah and the father in heaven really is called noah,

When I say missing I refer to lack of understanding,

Theres definitely a connection between the arks the covenants and the oracle

As for praying to noah.

You pray to the father with the lords prayer.

What difference does it make if the father really is called noah.

How many names do Jesus and the father have ?

The oracle is also a word received.

The word is also the light.

There for do you have any imagination to know that the light in the holy of holies the tabernacle where the ark of the covenant was kept was the father.

Or that there was the same light of oracle in noah to bring peace through another ark.

No this is a nice imagination.

But no you want imagination praying to noah only, shame your imagination is so dull
 

Fundaamental

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This post is about as BIZARRE as a post can get. Some spirit is working on you to
what are you implying some spirit is working in me ?.

What if any discernment is here, do you have spiritual discerment to know what your saying here, or to know for yourself or to know my question is not absolute.

Do you think I am so naive to be so gullible to believe lying spirit,

Do you have any sense to see a discussion or see the difference between question and absolute,
 

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What if any discernment is here, do you have spiritual discerment to know what your saying here
I have the spiritual discernment to see that you are going off the rails.
 

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I have the spiritual discernment to see that you are going off the rails.
It's because of her identity....she is incapable of handling scripture appropriately or anything else that is spiritual in nature.
 

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Galatians 6:1...Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in a spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
 

Fundaamental

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It's because of her identity....she is incapable of handling scripture appropriately or anything else that is spiritual in nature.
her identity lol 😆 are you having fantasies 😋

I always had your avatar as girly.

I honestly treated you like a lady at one time I wasn't clears johndb was a man's name but I thought I best not upset you.

Because the way you became so offended with our first ever disagreement last month, I really thought you definitely girly
 

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Has the ark been bestowed
Saturday 7-22-23 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, AV 4 5783, 32nd. Summer Day

1 Kings 8

1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of the city of David, which is Zion.

2 And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month Ethanim, which is the seventh month.

3 And all the elders of Israel came, and the priests took up the ark.

4 And they brought up the ark of the Lord, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, even those did the priests and the Levites bring up.

5 And king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, were with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude.

6 And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims.

7 For the cherubims spread forth their two wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubims covered the ark and the staves thereof above.

8 And they drew out the staves, that the ends of the staves were seen out in the holy place before the oracle, and they were not seen without: and there they are unto this day.

9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Read full chapter

Love, Walter And Debbie
could you tell me what you mean by the ark returns or what this thread was about.
 

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Has the ark been bestowed
could you tell me what you mean by the ark returns or what this thread was about.
Hi Fundaamental, Know you understand this story in 1 Kings 8


The Ark of the Covenant, Taken and Returned (1180 BC) – Amazing Bible Timeline with World History
The Ark of the Covenant wasn't always in the hands of the Israelites. It was taken from them by the Philistines for a period of time until it was returned. This event is listed on the Bible Timeline Poster around 1180 BC. [This article continues after a message from the authors]