The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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That they may also be sanctified !

Jn 17:19

And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ or His Blood once for all.

All those for whom Christ died for, His offering of Himself in Death, all those must be born again, that is made experientially sanctified, an inward sanctification, so that His Sacrifice of Death for the people will be proven to be of much more effectiveness and giving inward renovation to the things of God. For even the sacrifices of animals provided an outward sanctification or one that was temporal, but did nothing for the inner man Heb 10:1

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Heb 9:13

For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

But because Christ's Sacrifice was so much superior, His Blood so much more excellent it provides a superior sanctification. So the promises of the Covenant He is Mediator of, Because of His Death, God promises to do these things to secure their Sanctification inwardly Jer 31:31-34

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:169

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Verse 33 is the promise of the New Birth, giving that inward man sanctification, of which the OC sacrifices could not do for the people they were made in behalf of ! But Christ's Sacrifice produces so much better results !
 

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It makes them Perfect !

Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Christ's sacrifice or offering makes them He was offered in behalf of Perfect ! Now under the Old Covenant, the types and shadows, those offerings could not make the people perfect, for they must be offered annually because of this defect, for with them there was a remembering of sin year after year, for they could not take away sin so we read Heb 10:1-4

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

However this is in strike contrast to the once and forever sacrifice or offering of the Lamb of God, that took away all the sins of the people He was Offered in behalf of Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Yes, even a world of people. This People's sins are remembered no more Heb 8:12. The People are made perfect in contrast to not being made perfect in Heb 10:1 !
 

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It makes them Perfect ! 2

Now who made the Offering or Offerings in behalf of the People ? Was it the People themselves ? No, it was not, but the Representative of the People, the High Priest. The shadowy and temporal results of that Covenant was provided solely by the Work of the High Priest, and the benefits of it were not a offering to the people to accept or reject with their so called freewill. No but it was the work of the High priest only that was accepted of God to bring about the results, though it needed to be done annually; Whereas by the One Sacrifice of Christ, who is both the High Priest of the People [Covenant People] as well as the offering [Gift] itself, does produce the permanent effects that the virtue of His Blood gives birth to , and it is not up to the people to either accept it or reject it, but it will just bring about the perfecting consequences for each of them, of the Covenant People !
 

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Put away sin !

Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Christ's sacrifice of Himself, or His Blood hath put away the sins of all those He died, His Blood Alone did that ! The words put away are the greek word athetēsis:

abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection

to thwart the efficacy of anything, nullify, make void, frustrate

to do away with; put an end to; annul; make void:

Daniel wrote of this here Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Christ's blood did away with the sins that could condemn anyone Christ died for, yes even before they are born ! All the punishment they did deserve, Christ accepted of the Father on their behalf !

Now some unfaithful teachers tell us, that Christ's blood shed or offering alone, that in and of itself it is worthless, that without the work of the Holy Spirit it is meaningless, as if the Holy Spirit had something to do with putting away our sins by satisfying God's Law and Justice; Folks for anyone or any man to say that Christ's Death is worthless in and of itself, is not speaking the truth !

Those Christ did die for, and had their sins put away/cancelled from the view of God's Law and Justice, they have no reason to be punished ever for any sin, even if they never experienced a work of the Spirit in their lives ! I am not saying that it ever happened, or that God ever did it like that, but the point being, Christ's death alone took care of their sin problem due to condemnation.171

We know this is True because even when those Christ died for are born by Nature enemies to God, while in unbelief, scripture says they have already been reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, meaning by His sacrifice of Himself that put away their sins before God's Law and Justice.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So by His Death alone, all for whom Christ died are legally reconciled to God, no sins or condemnation exist against them, even before they are experientially saved by the work of the Holy Spirit ! Yes, they are still in a state of forgiveness of sins and Justification before God, based upon the sacrifice of Christ alone, when they are born unbelievers and enemies, for anyone to deny this, is Antichrist and knows not God !
 
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The day of atonement was like a shadow in the major seven feasts Jews were required to celebrate every year in the old covenant, whose ‘substance’ was accomplished at Calvary by the Lord Jesus to secure eternal salvation for as many as can believe!!!!
 

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The day of atonement was like a shadow in the major seven feasts Jews were required to celebrate every year in the old covenant, whose ‘substance’ was accomplished at Calvary by the Lord Jesus to secure eternal salvation for as many as can believe!!!!
What you mean can believe ? All for whom Christ atoned for shall believe.
 

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Through Jesus Christ Our Lord !

Rom 6:11,23

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 3:14

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Titus 3:6

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Heb 13:21

Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Through Jesus Christ primarily means because of Him fulfilling all the conditions of the Covenant on our behalf the blessings are received !
 

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Rom 5:11

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
The last word of Romans 5:11 in this post is incorrectly translated.

Atonement should be reconciliation.

"The Greek word katallage means reconciliation and is used only by the apostle Paul in four passages. In Romans 5:11 Paul says believers have "received reconciliation" (which implies that it is a gift).

"The gospel, in the Pauline acceptation, is peculiarly a message of reconciliation (καταλλαγή). The ministry of the gospel is a ‘ministry of reconciliation.’ Its preaching is a ‘word of reconciliation.’ Its design is that those who receive the message should ‘be reconciled to God’ (2 Corinthians 5:18-21)"

There is a reason Bibles like Tyndall and KJV mistranslated the Greek word katallage.

"In 1525 William Tyndale, in his translation of the New Testament from the Greek text, attempted to discover an English word that would express the true meaning of the Greek katallage as well as the Latin reconciliation. Unable to find the word, he coined one. The word he coined was atonement (at-one-ment), and he used it in Romans 5:11 . The King James Version committee followed Tyndale and used atonement. More recent versions and translations have returned to “reconciliation,” largely because the word atonement has been encumbered with various theories of atonement."

Although, reconciliation is related to the word "atonement!"

"In all four uses of katallage, God is portrayed as the Reconciler and sinners as the ones reconciled. Men are the ones who broke the relationship with God as recorded plainly in Isaiah "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He does not hear." (Isaiah 59:2) In sum, reconciliation with God is not something we do, but something God provides and we receive."

"The basic meanings of the word reconcile are "to remove enmity between two enemy parties" or "to change thoroughly." Reconciliation is more than having our sins forgiven and divine justice being satisfied. It means to change something inside out, upside down, and right side up. It refers to a changed relationship between God and the lost world....Reconciliation is a divine provision by which God's holy displeasure against alienated sinners is appeased. His hostility against men is removed. A harmonious relationship between the Lord and the saved sinner is established. Reconciliation occurs because God in His grace was willing to design a way to have all the sins of those who have put their faith in Christ covered by His blood. Through the work of the Cross, Jesus Christ has brought man and God together again by paying the price for man's sins."

"John MacArthur adds that reconciliation "is not what (man) accomplishes but what he embraces. Reconciliation does not happen when man decides to stop rejecting God but when God decides to stop rejecting man. It is a divine provision by which God’s holy displeasure against alienated sinners is appeased, His hostility against them removed, and a harmonious relationship between Him and them established. Reconciliation occurs because God was graciously willing to design a way to have all the sins of those who are His removed from them “as far as the east is from the west” (Ps. 103:12), “cast all their sins into the depths of the sea” (Mic. 7:19), and “cast all [their] sins behind [His] back” (Isa. 38:17). In the most magnanimous expression of sacrificial love the universe will ever know, God reconciled believers to Himself through Christ; that is, at His expense. God the Son’s perfect sacrifice is the only one that could satisfy the demands of God the Father’s holy justice. Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5; cf. Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24), and “there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” Acts 4:12

"As noted in the derivation above katallage is a compound word derived from the verb allásso which means to change. In classical Greek allásso itself was used to express changing shape, or color, or appearance. It was also used in the sense of to exchange or to barter; and so was not infrequently used of taking one thing in exchange for another. Barclay writes that allasso was "used of one who in misfortune exchanges one sorrow for another."
The classical meaning of the related verb form katallasso is "to bring together again people who have been estranged."

"MacArthur - Sinners cannot be reconciled to Him on their own terms. Unregenerate people have no ability to appease God’s anger against sin, satisfy His holy justice, or conform to His standard of righteousness. They are guilty of fatally violating God’s law and face eternal banishment from His presence.The deadly, deceptive premise of all false religion is that sinners, based on their own moral and religious efforts and achievements, can reconcile themselves to God. But God alone designed the way of reconciliation, and only He can initiate the reconciliation of sinners; that God … reconciled us to Himself is precisely the good news of the gospel. God so loved the world that He made the way of reconciliation. He desired to reconcile sinners to Himself—to make them His children. Such a desire is not foreign to God’s holy character but consistent with it. One of the glorious realities of God’s person is that He is a Savior by nature. (2 Corinthians Commentary)"

"First and foremost, Paul sees the work of Jesus Christ as above and beyond all else a work of reconciliation. Through that which he did, the lost relationship between man and God is restored. Man was made for friendship and fellowship with God. By his disobedience and rebellion he ended up at enmity with God. That which Jesus did took that enmity away, and restored the relationship of friendship which should always have existed, but which was broken by man's sin.
It is to be carefully noted that Paul never speaks of God being reconciled to men, but always of men being reconciled to God. The most significant of all the passages, 2 Cor 5.18-20, three times speaks of God reconciling man to himself. It was man, not God, who needed to be reconciled. Nothing had lessened the love of God; nothing had turned that love to hate; nothing had ever banished that yearning from the heart of God. Man might sin, but God still loved. It was not God who needed to be pacified, but man who needed to be moved to surrender and to penitence and to love."

https://www.preceptaustin.org/reconciliation-katallage-greek-word-study

Atonement meaning reconciliation, was associated with sacrificial offerings to remove the effects of sin and in the New Testament,] refers specifically to the reconciliation between God and humanity effected by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

"Atonement: Representation and Substitution In His atoning work Christ is both representative and substitute. As representative, Christ acted on behalf of His race.

Atonement is a very important concept. But, it is not the way kattalage should be translated.

Reconciliation is the proper way to translate kattalage, in Romans 5:11.
 

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The last word of Romans 5:11 in this post is incorrectly translated.

Atonement should be reconciliation.
Thanks for bringing that up, but i already knew that.

"The Greek word katallage means reconciliation and is used only by the apostle Paul in four passages. In Romans 5:11 Paul says believers have "received reconciliation" (which implies that it is a gift).
Yes it is a free gift received by God given Faith.

"The gospel, in the Pauline acceptation, is peculiarly a message of reconciliation (καταλλαγή). The ministry of the gospel is a ‘ministry of reconciliation.’ Its preaching is a ‘word of reconciliation.’ Its design is that those who receive the message should ‘be reconciled to God’ (2 Corinthians 5:18-21)"
They already are reconciled to God by the death of His Son Rom 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18 so the word of reconciliation is preached to the already reconciled so that they can receive the good news of it by Faith, for Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
 

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The last word of Romans 5:11 in this post is incorrectly translated.

Atonement should be reconciliation.

"The Greek word katallage means reconciliation and is used only by the apostle Paul in four passages. In Romans 5:11 Paul says believers have "received reconciliation" (which implies that it is a gift).

"The gospel, in the Pauline acceptation, is peculiarly a message of reconciliation (καταλλαγή). The ministry of the gospel is a ‘ministry of reconciliation.’ Its preaching is a ‘word of reconciliation.’ Its design is that those who receive the message should ‘be reconciled to God’ (2 Corinthians 5:18-21)"

There is a reason Bibles like Tyndall and KJV mistranslated the Greek word katallage.

"In 1525 William Tyndale, in his translation of the New Testament from the Greek text, attempted to discover an English word that would express the true meaning of the Greek katallage as well as the Latin reconciliation. Unable to find the word, he coined one. The word he coined was atonement (at-one-ment), and he used it in Romans 5:11 . The King James Version committee followed Tyndale and used atonement. More recent versions and translations have returned to “reconciliation,” largely because the word atonement has been encumbered with various theories of atonement."

Although, reconciliation is related to the word "atonement!"

"In all four uses of katallage, God is portrayed as the Reconciler and sinners as the ones reconciled. Men are the ones who broke the relationship with God as recorded plainly in Isaiah "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He does not hear." (Isaiah 59:2) In sum, reconciliation with God is not something we do, but something God provides and we receive."

"The basic meanings of the word reconcile are "to remove enmity between two enemy parties" or "to change thoroughly." Reconciliation is more than having our sins forgiven and divine justice being satisfied. It means to change something inside out, upside down, and right side up. It refers to a changed relationship between God and the lost world....Reconciliation is a divine provision by which God's holy displeasure against alienated sinners is appeased. His hostility against men is removed. A harmonious relationship between the Lord and the saved sinner is established. Reconciliation occurs because God in His grace was willing to design a way to have all the sins of those who have put their faith in Christ covered by His blood. Through the work of the Cross, Jesus Christ has brought man and God together again by paying the price for man's sins."

"John MacArthur adds that reconciliation "is not what (man) accomplishes but what he embraces. Reconciliation does not happen when man decides to stop rejecting God but when God decides to stop rejecting man. It is a divine provision by which God’s holy displeasure against alienated sinners is appeased, His hostility against them removed, and a harmonious relationship between Him and them established. Reconciliation occurs because God was graciously willing to design a way to have all the sins of those who are His removed from them “as far as the east is from the west” (Ps. 103:12), “cast all their sins into the depths of the sea” (Mic. 7:19), and “cast all [their] sins behind [His] back” (Isa. 38:17). In the most magnanimous expression of sacrificial love the universe will ever know, God reconciled believers to Himself through Christ; that is, at His expense. God the Son’s perfect sacrifice is the only one that could satisfy the demands of God the Father’s holy justice. Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5; cf. Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24), and “there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” Acts 4:12

"As noted in the derivation above katallage is a compound word derived from the verb allásso which means to change. In classical Greek allásso itself was used to express changing shape, or color, or appearance. It was also used in the sense of to exchange or to barter; and so was not infrequently used of taking one thing in exchange for another. Barclay writes that allasso was "used of one who in misfortune exchanges one sorrow for another."
The classical meaning of the related verb form katallasso is "to bring together again people who have been estranged."

"MacArthur - Sinners cannot be reconciled to Him on their own terms. Unregenerate people have no ability to appease God’s anger against sin, satisfy His holy justice, or conform to His standard of righteousness. They are guilty of fatally violating God’s law and face eternal banishment from His presence.The deadly, deceptive premise of all false religion is that sinners, based on their own moral and religious efforts and achievements, can reconcile themselves to God. But God alone designed the way of reconciliation, and only He can initiate the reconciliation of sinners; that God … reconciled us to Himself is precisely the good news of the gospel. God so loved the world that He made the way of reconciliation. He desired to reconcile sinners to Himself—to make them His children. Such a desire is not foreign to God’s holy character but consistent with it. One of the glorious realities of God’s person is that He is a Savior by nature. (2 Corinthians Commentary)"

"First and foremost, Paul sees the work of Jesus Christ as above and beyond all else a work of reconciliation. Through that which he did, the lost relationship between man and God is restored. Man was made for friendship and fellowship with God. By his disobedience and rebellion he ended up at enmity with God. That which Jesus did took that enmity away, and restored the relationship of friendship which should always have existed, but which was broken by man's sin.
It is to be carefully noted that Paul never speaks of God being reconciled to men, but always of men being reconciled to God. The most significant of all the passages, 2 Cor 5.18-20, three times speaks of God reconciling man to himself. It was man, not God, who needed to be reconciled. Nothing had lessened the love of God; nothing had turned that love to hate; nothing had ever banished that yearning from the heart of God. Man might sin, but God still loved. It was not God who needed to be pacified, but man who needed to be moved to surrender and to penitence and to love."

https://www.preceptaustin.org/reconciliation-katallage-greek-word-study

Atonement meaning reconciliation, was associated with sacrificial offerings to remove the effects of sin and in the New Testament,] refers specifically to the reconciliation between God and humanity effected by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

"Atonement: Representation and Substitution In His atoning work Christ is both representative and substitute. As representative, Christ acted on behalf of His race.

Atonement is a very important concept. But, it is not the way kattalage should be translated.

Reconciliation is the proper way to translate kattalage, in Romans 5:11.
Actually, if you go the basic meaning of reconciliation is the same as the "At-one-ment" an agreement, as it were a making at one or causing to agree. There is no error as to the translation. In English, it is interchangeably used as indicated in Romans 5:10-11. KJV, Tyndale, Bishops, Geneva, Coverdale, Matthew's Bible, The Great Bible, and even Webster Bible has it.
 

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Actually, if you go the basic meaning of reconciliation is the same as the "At-one-ment" an agreement, as it were a making at one or causing to agree. There is no error as to the translation. In English, it is interchangeably used as indicated in Romans 5:10-11. KJV, Tyndale, Bishops, Geneva, Coverdale, Matthew's Bible, The Great Bible, and even Webster Bible has it.
If you had read my post, you would find out it was a made up word from Tyndall. That's why modern Bibles have gone back to the proper translation of kattalage, which is reconciliation.

Words matter!
 

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By His stripes we are healed !

1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

See also Isa 53:5 If all for whom Christ died [the meaning of stripes] are not healed, evidenced by returning to God vs 25, then Christ's Death did not effect its God given Purpose ! It did not do its Job. What should Christ's stripes heal us from if He dies for our sins ? It will deliver us from the deadly wound sin and estrangement from God !

That word heal is the greek word iaomai

to cure, heal

2) to make whole

a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

or to bring about ones conversion, in order to live unto Righteousness !

Christ stripes heals from death in a similar vein as in Rev 13:12173

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Christ's Death for the Elect heals the deadly wound of sin. So Christ's Death for His People is the basis of life from the dead ! If all for whom Christ died are not given Life Spiritual from the dead, His death was of none effect, and His stripes were a failure, and yet to their shame, many today will say that all for whom Christ died will not be healed ! Will not experience Salvation !
 

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If you had read my post, you would find out it was a made up word from Tyndall. That's why modern Bibles have gone back to the proper translation of kattalage, which is reconciliation.

Words matter!
atonement


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Related to atonement: Day of Atonement

a·tone·ment

(ə-tōn′mənt)

n.

1. Amends or reparation made for an injury or wrong; expiation.

2.

a. Judaism An individual's reconciliation with God by means of repentance and confession of one's transgressions.

b. Atonement Christianity The reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus.

3. Obsolete Reconciliation; concord.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

atonement

(əˈtəʊnmənt)

n

1. satisfaction, reparation, or expiation given for an injury or wrong

2. (Theology) (often capital) Christian theol

a. the reconciliation of man with God through the life, sufferings, and sacrificial death of Christ

b. the sufferings and death of Christ

3. (Theology) Christian Science the state in which the attributes of God are exemplified in man

4. obsolete reconciliation or agreement

[C16: from Middle English phrase at onement in harmony]

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

a•tone•ment

(əˈtoʊn mənt)

n.

1. satisfaction or reparation for a wrong or injury; amends.

2. (sometimes cap.) the Christian doctrine that the reconciliation of God and humankind will be accomplished through Christ.

3. (in Christian Science) the state in which humankind exemplifies the attributes of Christ.

4. Archaic. reconciliation; agreement.

[1505–15; from phrase at one in harmony + -ment]



Then we have modern bibles going to an obsolete/ archaic word such as this, however, KJV and others cannot be charge at fault here, they do have the same meaning

As to the proper usage, as per the subject is concerned, the KJV, Tyndale is good enough and nothing is wrong with it.

To correct your assumption, the word atonement may go far back than Tyndale. The word goes back to 1510 as per etymology. It is a well-known fact the word is common during their day. It’s a newer word and it carries the same meaning yet is weightier than archaic/obsolete "reconciliation" as used by the KJV translators in many other instances. The word atonement fulfills the great sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, having foreshadowed the doctrine of atonement in the O.T. which is a good preference than that of reconciliation. Yet, now, we have an outdated word yet still in use by modern bibles. Indeed, word matters!
 

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atonement


Also found in: Thesaurus, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.

Related to atonement: Day of Atonement

a·tone·ment

(ə-tōn′mənt)

n.

1. Amends or reparation made for an injury or wrong; expiation.

2.

a. Judaism An individual's reconciliation with God by means of repentance and confession of one's transgressions.

b. Atonement Christianity The reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus.

3. Obsolete Reconciliation; concord.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

atonement

(əˈtəʊnmənt)

n

1. satisfaction, reparation, or expiation given for an injury or wrong

2. (Theology) (often capital) Christian theol

a. the reconciliation of man with God through the life, sufferings, and sacrificial death of Christ

b. the sufferings and death of Christ

3. (Theology) Christian Science the state in which the attributes of God are exemplified in man

4. obsolete reconciliation or agreement

[C16: from Middle English phrase at onement in harmony]

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a•tone•ment

(əˈtoʊn mənt)

n.

1. satisfaction or reparation for a wrong or injury; amends.

2. (sometimes cap.) the Christian doctrine that the reconciliation of God and humankind will be accomplished through Christ.

3. (in Christian Science) the state in which humankind exemplifies the attributes of Christ.

4. Archaic. reconciliation; agreement.

[1505–15; from phrase at one in harmony + -ment]



Then we have modern bibles going to an obsolete/ archaic word such as this, however, KJV and others cannot be charge at fault here, they do have the same meaning

As to the proper usage, as per the subject is concerned, the KJV, Tyndale is good enough and nothing is wrong with it.

To correct your assumption, the word atonement may go far back than Tyndale. The word goes back to 1510 as per etymology. It is a well-known fact the word is common during their day. It’s a newer word and it carries the same meaning yet is weightier than archaic/obsolete "reconciliation" as used by the KJV translators in many other instances. The word atonement fulfills the great sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, having foreshadowed the doctrine of atonement in the O.T. which is a good preference than that of reconciliation. Yet, now, we have an outdated word yet still in use by modern bibles. Indeed, word matters!

I wrote a 30 page paper on reconciliation. I also read a 1000 page book on the atonement,

"The Crucifixion: Understanding the Death of Jesus Christ
FLEMING RUTLEDGE"

It is an excellent book. I'm
Travelling and don't have the book it's me, but she really clarifies the definitions. I'll try to remember to quote some of it when I get home.

As for the copying and pasting some internet definitions, not so much. Probably KJV oriented, like Strong's. And no, reconciliation is not obsolete. It is the real translation of Kattalage, from Koine Greek.
 

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Here's another definition:

Oxford Languages!
a·tone·ment
/əˈtōnmənt/

noun: atonement; plural noun: atonements
reparation for a wrong or injury.
"she wanted to make atonement for her husband's behavior"
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin.
"an annual ceremony of confession and atonement for sin"
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CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY
the reconciliation of God and humankind through Jesus Christ.
noun: Atonement; noun: the Atonement
Origin
early 16th century (denoting unity or reconciliation, especially between God and man): from at one + -ment, influenced by medieval Latin adunamentum ‘unity’, and earlier onement from an obsolete verb one ‘to unite’.

Britannica

atonement, the process by which people remove obstacles to their reconciliation with God. It is a recurring theme in the history of religion and theology. Rituals of expiation and satisfaction appear in most religions as the means by which religious people reestablish or strengthen their relation to the holy or divine. Atonement is often attached to sacrifice, both of which often connect ritual cleanness with moral purity and religious acceptability.

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Atonement

(theology, often with capitalized initial) The reconciliation of God and mankind through the death of Jesus.
 

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Dead to the Law ! How ?

Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

All for whom Christ died, before they know anything it, and while they are enemies in themselves to God, yet are they dead to the Law of God Legally and before God's Law and Justice, why ? Because of the Body of Christ, which simply means His Death or Sacrifice of Himself in their behalf. Now this is a actual and factual Truth for everyone Christ died for. It has nothing to do with the New Birth, or Faith or Repentance, but solely based upon the Death of Christ ! Whosoever says that Christ's Death in and of itself without the attending Work of the Spirit is worthless, is in the dark ! But yet in God's time, all who are dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, they shall because of it, receive a New Birth, in fact that was the reason why they were made dead to the Law by Christ's Death, in order that they may be Married to another, even to Him that died for them, which is taught in Rom 7:4 as well as 2 Cor 5:14-15

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

By New Birth they become subjectively married to Christ by Faith and aware of their Justified state before God because of the Blood of Christ. Now it does not matter when the Elect person comes to know of it, the Legality of the matter precedes the knowledge of it ! This is because of Christ's death has done its Job of satisfying all of God's Law and Justice, both in Active and Passive obedience. So God's Law has no legal claims on them, they are dead to it by or because of the Body of Christ, that is to say His Death, and the purpose was so that they should bear fruit unto God experientially, which they do as a result of the New Birth beginning with the fruits of Repentance and Faith with Love to the brethren. So Christ's death ensures for all those He died, that they become married to Him experientially because of His Resurrection from the dead, whereby they are begotten again 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Thats the marriage begun here on earth, but a grander celebration draws nigh !
 

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Has given the Victory !

1 Cor 15:57

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Everyone that Christ died for, has been given the Victory. Its not that He made victory available or that it's offered to one and all upon conditions, thats false teaching, but they are given it and they are in a continual state of it, and it is over sin, death and the devil, and its given through Jesus Christ Our Lord !

That is where their Faith comes from, Christ giving them the Victory The unfaithful teachers do not believe this !

1 Jn 5:4

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

You see, everyone Christ died and rose again, by His Resurrection they are begotten again, born again, and that is what begins the victory !
 

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Thou hast received gifts for men !

Ps 68:18

Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

As part of His Salvation Accomplishment for all those He died for, The Lord Jesus Christ at His Ascension, received from the Father, for the Grand accomplishment of His Saving Work and Death, His Redemptive Reward, He received the Spirit of Promise, also received Gifts for men See also Eph 4:8

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

He received Gifts for men and to give to men, but what men ? For all the members of His Body, the Church that He Loved and gave Himself for.

These gifts are spiritual in nature, hence the Holy Spirit is the author of them, and they are also effectual, the effectual working of His Power in them Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Cp with Eph 4:7

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Now He received these Gifts, in the Person of the Holy Spirit, to give to His Members, His Church that He died for as their Covenant Head and Shepherd; In Fact, Christ Himself is the Gift of God, for all those the Father gave Him Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

They were given before the World began, in order that in due time they are to believe in Him. So it is written that to some, that it has been given [Them] not only to believe on Him but also to suffer Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; Cp Eph 4:7

And to those it is commanded to believe on the name of the Son of God 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

To Believe on the Name of the Son of God, because He was given to them for that Purpose Jn 3:16 because He redeemed them from death, by His Death in their behalf !
 

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Was raised again for our justification.

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

He was raised again for our Justification, meaning this, The Resurrection of Christ did rightly signify, that as our Surety and Head, when He died with our sins charged to Him, that He was actually Justified from all those sins of the Elect of God charged upon Him, and as the Head is declared Justified by His Resurrection from the dead, so is His Body, the Church. He rose from the dead not as a private person, but as the Shepherd of His Flock Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,179

Now if we preach not this Resurrection, we do Preach another Christ, for to say that none of the members of the Head Christ are not Justified before they believe, is like saying the Head of those members is not Justified before God until all His members believe, which is absurd and a attempt to overthrow the blessed significance of Christ's Resurrection, which also subverts His accomplishment by His Death !
 
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Was raised again for our justification.

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

He was raised again for our Justification, meaning this, The Resurrection of Christ did rightly signify, that as our Surety and Head, when He died with our sins charged to Him, that He was actually Justified from all those sins of the Elect of God charged upon Him, and as the Head is declared Justified by His Resurrection from the dead, so is His Body, the Church. He rose from the dead not as a private person, but as the Shepherd of His Flock Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,179

Now if we preach not this Resurrection, we do Preach another Christ, for to say that none of the members of the Head Christ are not Justified before they believe, is like saying the Head of those members is not Justified before God until all His members believe, which is absurd and a attempt to overthrow the blessed significance of Christ's Resurrection, which also subverts His accomplishment by His Death !
Your last sentences tend to make me believe you are pushing hyper grace.

Not sure