The Book Of Enoch

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Now this person did not read it.
Enow quoted the scripture; John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition has; John 3:6; A person is born physically of human parents, but he is born spiritually of the spirit.

We know that the man Jesus was born physically in 6 BC, of Mary and her half brother Joseph the son of Alexander Helios who is called Heli, but was born of the spirit on the day he was baptised, when the spirit descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my son in whom I am pleased, 'THIS DAY' I have begotten thee."
 

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Adam means man, and Adam male was the first man, then he created another man ,Eve ,female. he made them male and female. he was not male and female at the same time, that is disgusting . ,and it would have been an abomination. God don't make mistakes. I heard people that believe the same way you do.
 
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miknik5

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Here is an excellent, thorough, study dealing with Genesis 6, and the "sons of God" issue.

Watch before passing judgment please:

[video=youtube;eFiFcW84K_A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiFcW84K_A&t=2835s[/video]
I watched this whole video. It was very informative and perfect for the discussion here

thank you for attaching it
 
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Enow quoted the scripture; John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition has; John 3:6; A person is born physically of human parents, but he is born spiritually of the spirit.

We know that the man Jesus was born physically in 6 BC, of Mary and her half brother Joseph the son of Alexander Helios who is called Heli, but was born of the spirit on the day he was baptised, when the spirit descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my son in whom I am pleased, 'THIS DAY' I have begotten thee."
Ok How does that relate to what he said about the book of Enoch.
 
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Adam means man, and Adam male was the first man, then he created Eve ,female. he made them male and female. he was not male and female at the same time, that is disgusting . ,and it would have been an abomination. God don't make mistakes. I heard people that believe the same way you do.
Gabriel God did not create Eve...He took Adams rib and formed her from it. Formed, assembled, built....but not created. God took Eve out of Adam.

Its really kind of cool.
[h=1]Genesis 1:27 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created humankind in his own image;
in the image of God he created him:
male and female he created them.


[h=1]Genesis 2:21-22 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]21 [/SUP]Then God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the person; and while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and closed up the place from which he took it with flesh. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The rib which Adonai, God, had taken from the person, he made a woman-person; and he brought her to the man-person.
 
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Gabriel God did not create Eve...He took Adams rib and formed her from it. Formed, assembled, built....but not created. God took Eve out of Adam.

Its really kind of cool.
Genesis 1:27 (CJB)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created humankind in his own image;
in the image of God he created him:
male and female he created them.


Genesis 2:21-22 (CJB)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the person; and while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and closed up the place from which he took it with flesh. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The rib which Adonai, God, had taken from the person, he made a woman-person; and he brought her to the man-person.
Can you imagine the fights if God had not done that? The poor guy would really have looked crazy yelling at himself.
 

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Wrong. Eve was was created from dust like adam was and breathed the breath of life in her also adam was also formed from the dust. Therefore created
 

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Wrong. Eve was was created from dust like adam was and breathed the breath of life in her also adam was also formed from the dust. Therefore created
No, ya'll both got it wrong, :( Maybe if Denadii had a Marvel he might have sought out his Creator with all his heart and soul then he would had found Archie and Betty, after all one can see that the cover even says it is the Double Digest which everyone knows is Ephesian for Bible. So that fulfils the scripture that says the scripture will be fulfilled.

Then again, the OT says that God made the beast of the earth after his kind, Gen 1:25 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, Gen 2:19 I guess if the OT faded away then the NT will too according to Thomas Paine's quote. Don't want to give the whole edition away but it is written in the Double Digest that "that God was created in the beginning"."These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" Rev 3:14 KJV https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-3-14/

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So the birth of God was on this wise, When Archie and Betty were in the Particle lab, Archie asked Betty to look over his parables and when she did a sphere of invisible light was emitted. And Betty said Archie hath given me a bowed universe. Archie not wanting to make Betty a public privy took the sphere of invisible light and placed it outside the school next to the study hall.

Since the female was not named Eve until later and man wasn't formed from the dust of the ground any more than he evolved from a monkey then Marvel not that Marvel is buying the rights to Archie and friends.
 

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I watched this whole video. It was very informative and perfect for the discussion here

thank you for attaching it
Thank sister. This was the Chapter our Bible study group tackled Wednesday night. Just like here, there were those that were very uncomfortable with the thought that fallen Angels mated with human beings, creating a hybrid race that God saw as necessary to destroy.

The Angels saw that God gave humanity the ability to pro- CREATE. This was something that the Angels, being immortal beings, could not do without abandoning their heavenly estate, or bodies if you will.
The progeny of Angels were not created by God! They tried to usurp His position in that regard as well.
 

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Thank sister. This was the Chapter our Bible study group tackled Wednesday night. Just like here, there were those that were very uncomfortable with the thought that fallen Angels mated with human beings, creating a hybrid race that God saw as necessary to destroy.

The Angels saw that God gave humanity the ability to pro- CREATE. This was something that the Angels, being immortal beings, could not do without abandoning their heavenly estate, or bodies if you will.
The progeny of Angels were not created by God! They tried to usurp His position in that regard as well.
I don't think it wa any coincidence that your bible study tackled it prior to this study here


Isnt GOD awesome how HE purposely sets before us what we need?
 
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Here is an excellent, thorough, study dealing with Genesis 6, and the "sons of God" issue.

Watch before passing judgment please:

[video=youtube;eFiFcW84K_A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiFcW84K_A&t=2835s[/video]
Okay. Chuck said to prove everything by Him, including the things that he says; so do it.

Bene HaElohim is not meaning angels; here is why.

Ben means builder of the family name. Angels are not marrying nor given in marriage so sons of God is not them.

The problem here is using the Book of Enoch for the vocabulary of what sons of God mean in the Bible. That is a mistake when the scripture has Jesus saying that angels do not marry nor are they given in marriage. They are not created to reproduce to build a family.

Matthew 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

So when we look at the references that Chuck claims are angels, we can see that it is not when you do NOT use the Book of Enoch as a vocabulary. Start with the Book of Job:

Job 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Again...

Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Now I pray God is keeping you from reading Enoch into the Book of Job.

Note how TWICE now when the sons of God presented themselves to the Lord, Satan came and God pointed out Job among them TWICE.

Job is one of the sons of God, because he was among them. There is no point in pointing out Job during the presentation of the sons of God if angels were presenting themselves to the Lord.

What need does angels have for presenting themselves to the Lord? Sinful men living a godly life to please God does.

If you want definite proof that sons of God is not referring to angels; look who Adam is.

Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

So is Adam an angel?

Even Chuck referred to John 1:12-13 in how we as a new creation, we are the sons of God, but he overlooked how the former sons of God were.

John 1:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John made the distinction of born again believers from how the former sons of God were; not of blood as being of the bloodline of the nation of Israel, nor of the will of the flesh or the will of man for those foreigners that converted to Judaism, but of God.

That verse Chuck pointed out proves that sons of God does not always refer to angels, and yet he still went onward.

I can see why pastors that have gone to college and universities were not taught this because Chuck is using the Book of Enoch erroneously as a vocabulary in understanding what sons of God mean in the Bible, and that is a mistake to do even after Chuck admitted that it is not inspired.

So stop reading sons of God as meaning ONLY angels. Chuck is wrong about that. Period.

The other reference is:

Luke 20:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
That is using the Book of Enoch to read that verse in that way as inferring angels being the children of God, overlooking the following wording that said "being the children of the resurrection".

Angels are not children of the resurrection when that definitive phrase is attached to "are the children of God" and thus referring to those saints resurrected that cannot die any more and equal to the angels in that way; not that the angels are children of God BEING of the children of the resurrection.

Book of Enoch is a fraud and should not be used as a reference to understand the accepted scripture in the Bible.

The Septuagint LXX is of Alexandrian origin where poetic licensing and gnosticism had been known to exists.

I would rather rely on the documents origin from Antioch where the disciples were first called christians.

Anyway, Chuck had opposed himself with John 1:12-13 because sons of God does not always mean angels whereas I say it never did mean angels. The phrase "sons of God" is only referring to Israel's roots as God's people. That is all.


I cannot convince you guys so you are just going to have to go before that throne of grace and prove by Him what sons of God actually mean. It cannot mean both godly men and angels for in no way are angels are builder of a family name.

You are not called to be a disciple of Chuck; you are called to be disciples of Jesus Christ. I do not care how right he has been in other sermons; he is not right about what sons of God means since he is allowing his reading to be clouded by reading the Book of Enoch into the scripture using its vocabulary of what sons of God meaning to be as angels. So go and ask Jesus for wisdom now.
 
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Wrong. Eve was was created from dust like adam was and breathed the breath of life in her also adam was also formed from the dust. Therefore created
Have you ever read the bible? Did you read the verses I gave above? No? Try it someday.
 
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No, ya'll both got it wrong, :( Maybe if Denadii had a Marvel he might have sought out his Creator with all his heart and soul then he would had found Archie and Betty, after all one can see that the cover even says it is the Double Digest which everyone knows is Ephesian for Bible. So that fulfils the scripture that says the scripture will be fulfilled.

Then again, the OT says that God made the beast of the earth after his kind, Gen 1:25 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, Gen 2:19 I guess if the OT faded away then the NT will too according to Thomas Paine's quote. Don't want to give the whole edition away but it is written in the Double Digest that "that God was created in the beginning"."These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" Rev 3:14 KJV https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-3-14/

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So the birth of God was on this wise, When Archie and Betty were in the Particle lab, Archie asked Betty to look over his parables and when she did a sphere of invisible light was emitted. And Betty said Archie hath given me a bowed universe. Archie not wanting to make Betty a public privy took the sphere of invisible light and placed it outside the school next to the study hall.

Since the female was not named Eve until later and man wasn't formed from the dust of the ground any more than he evolved from a monkey then Marvel not that Marvel is buying the rights to Archie and friends.
Not to be offensive, but this is truly offensive. Tone it down sir.
 
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What I get out of Adam and Eve is that Cain and Abel might have been born before the fall. that is why the genealogy starts with Seth, because he was born in the likeness of Adam, and in his image because He became his own God., no longer in the likeness of God but the same image.
The only reasons I would disagree are found in the verbiage of EVE after she has Cain which is indicative of her already knowing of the promised redeemer found in Genesis 3:15 and the fact that Cain is obviously born with a sin nature (based upon his jealousy, murder of Abel, and pride in refusing to acknowledge his sin and get right) Cain is also called or identified as being of that WICKED ONE.....I will also say that death has passed to men dia ADAM and his sin...both died and if they had been born before the fall neither would have had that nature...

Just some things to ponder bro...
 
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Wrong. Eve was was created from dust like adam was and breathed the breath of life in her also adam was also formed from the dust. Therefore created
Actually two different words are used to describe Adam and Eve's origin......Adam was created from the dust of the ground and it states that EVE was MADE from a (curved piece) taken from Adam's side....

Again...something to ponder and this record is found in Genesis....
 

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The only reasons I would disagree are found in the verbiage of EVE after she has Cain which is indicative of her already knowing of the promised redeemer found in Genesis 3:15 and the fact that Cain is obviously born with a sin nature (based upon his jealousy, murder of Abel, and pride in refusing to acknowledge his sin and get right) Cain is also called or identified as being of that WICKED ONE.....I will also say that death has passed to men dia ADAM and his sin...both died and if they had been born before the fall neither would have had that nature...

Just some things to ponder bro...
not to mention that all children born of Adam and Eve were sent out, covered and all their offspring were born outside of the original pure and holy and perfect state and the way back to that original and holy andcperfect home was blocked lest we eat of thevtree and live forever
 

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Yes ,in this case ,it is referring to Adam as man,male and female. sure he put the first man to sleep and took a rib, but the purpose for that was to keep them as one and not separate creations, but after that ,Eve was formed from the very same dust, The second man, but female, as all the animals were also. She was not formed any different than anyone else. The only two creatures that was not created directly from dust is the fish and the fowl of the air. they were formed straight from water.
 

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Angels will be judged and sentenced the same as man. , but believe what you will,no one can stop you. The problem is that you have not tested the spirit by the spirit, and the only way to do that is go straight to the source. God himself. Yoou see, I know he will give the answer to any question, that is why he said ask for wisdom, knowledge, and above all understanding. But some people don't have that kind of faith. they rather man teach them everything.
 
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Angels will be judged and sentenced the same as man. , but believe what you will,no one can stop you. The problem is that you have not tested the spirit by the spirit, and the only way to do that is go straight to the source. God himself. Yoou see, I know he will give the answer to any question, that is why he said ask for wisdom, knowledge, and above all understanding. But some people don't have that kind of faith. they rather man teach them everything.
I don't know where you get that slop. Don't you know that man will judge angels?