The Chosen People of God?

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Sep 28, 2015
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Both Jew and Gentile
have to be grafted into the Kingdom of God
by becoming born again.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are not born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are both are unsaved.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are equal to each other
as children of God
the Lord's chosen people.

Is this true? If not then why not?
 
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LanceA

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#2
Yep born of water (natural birth) and born of the spirit (salvation)
 
Sep 28, 2015
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#3
Yep born of water (natural birth) and born of the spirit (salvation)
​Why do you believe being born of water is a natural birth?

Why do you believe being born of the Spirit is salvation?
 
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LanceA

Guest
#4
John 3:5-8
 
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LanceA

Guest
#6
Talking about being born of flesh. That is natural birth
 
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kaylagrl

Guest
#7
Both Jew and Gentile
have to be grafted into the Kingdom of God
by becoming born again.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are not born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are both are unsaved.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are equal to each other
as children of God
the Lord's chosen people.

Is this true? If not then why not?

Romans says there is a remnant of Jews yet to be saved.They have been blinded until the gentiles have all come in.Then they will accept Jesus as their Messiah.
 
Sep 4, 2012
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#8
True. You nailed it.

Both Jew and Gentile
have to be grafted into the Kingdom of God
by becoming born again.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are not born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are both are unsaved.


Both Jew and Gentile
that are born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are equal to each other
as children of God
the Lord's chosen people.

Is this true? If not then why not?
 
Nov 9, 2015
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#9
Both Jew and Gentile
that are not born again
of water and the Spirit
as according to the
words of Jesus Christ
are both are unsaved.

Is this true? If not then why not?
"Untrue", because you're saying Jesus' sacrifice was for something else. The statement is redundant at best. Jesus did this for all. Either you're not believing Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, or you're placing qualities on the grace of a divine being, which you're in no position to place. Both are as "blasphemy against the spirit".
 

Blain

The Word Weaver
Aug 28, 2012
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"Untrue", because you're saying Jesus' sacrifice was for something else. The statement is redundant at best. Jesus did this for all. Either you're not believing Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, or you're placing qualities on the grace of a divine being, which you're in no position to place. Both are as "blasphemy against the spirit".
You completely misunderstood what he was saying and he didn't blasphemy against the spirit so please don't accuse him of such an awful thing when he is innocent. What he was saying is that if a person no matter if they are jew or gentile is not born of both water and spirit then they are not saved which is true because when we were born from our mothers womb it was from water hence the phrase my water just broke so everyone is born of water but to be born of the spirit is to have the holy spirit inside you also known as baptized by fire
 

Blain

The Word Weaver
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How did all the old testament saints become born of water and Spirit?
It was their faith. All who were in the Old testament who were considered righteous in God's eyes and who were born of water and spirit were those whos faith was in him who walked the path of God who sought him out who loved him and honored him
 
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It was their faith. All who were in the Old testament who were considered righteous in God's eyes and who were born of water and spirit were those whos faith was in him who walked the path of God who sought him out who loved him and honored him
And how would you know?
 
Nov 9, 2015
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You completely misunderstood what he was saying and he didn't blasphemy against the spirit so please don't accuse him of such an awful thing when he is innocent. What he was saying is that if a person no matter if they are jew or gentile is not born of both water and spirit then they are not saved which is true because when we were born from our mothers womb it was from water hence the phrase my water just broke so everyone is born of water but to be born of the spirit is to have the holy spirit inside you also known as baptized by fire
Ephesians 2
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, [SUP]5 [/SUP]made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not by works, so that no one can boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

"Even when" we are dead in transgressions, as when we are born sinful, as when we are of original sin, God's grace saved us, and this is by no act, or work, or decision, or manifestation of our own, but it is His work alone.

The first lines are as, "here is evidence you are born into sin", "you cannot fix this", "you know you all are this", and "even when" you are this, the focal point, "you are made alive in Christ". Christ's salvation saved us. There is no other way it should be put.

Saying otherwise makes God to be a liar, makes Jesus' sacrifice for naught, tells the Spirit you have some other knowledge or means or capacity it does not have.

God did this, not some literal interpretation from Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus. Not me, not you. God did it.
 

Blain

The Word Weaver
Aug 28, 2012
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Ephesians 2
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, [SUP]5 [/SUP]made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not by works, so that no one can boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

"Even when" we are dead in transgressions, as when we are born sinful, as when we are of original sin, God's grace saved us, and this is by no act, or work, or decision, or manifestation of our own, but it is His work alone.

The first lines are as, "here is evidence you are born into sin", "you cannot fix this", "you know you all are this", and "even when" you are this, the focal point, "you are made alive in Christ". Christ's salvation saved us. There is no other way it should be put.

Saying otherwise makes God to be a liar, makes Jesus' sacrifice for naught, tells the Spirit you have some other knowledge or means or capacity it does not have.

God did this, not some literal interpretation from Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus. Not me, not you. God did it.
I'm sorry my mind is bit foggy so I need to understand what your saying concerning being saved or not before or after being born of both spirit and water. Are you saying that before we are born of both spirit and water we are saved or are saying something else? I apologize for my slow mind today lol
 
Nov 9, 2015
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Just don't be tricked into denying Him. That's what I'm saying. That is the spirit of antichrist. This can take many forms, indeed even certain interpretations of scripture itself, never let them convince you other than "Jesus' sacrifice was for the salvation of all". There are now categorically zero people who were "not born again of the spirit".

That is as clear as anyone needs to be.
 

notuptome

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Gods chosen people Israel are chosen not for salvation but as a vessel through which God would bring His word to the world. Chosen to be the nation through which Christ the Messiah would come Who will reign over all the world and make eternal life the inheritance to all who believe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger