The Church in Acts did not meet on the first day of the week...

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GuessWho

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lady, no disrespect intended, but I have seen the same list of resources your provide, in the same order, on Roman Catholic websites. I don't trust them.

So what if they appear on Catholic websites? It makes them less authentic?

What I find disrespectful is your deliberate ignorance and dishonesty. If that's the best dialogue you can provide than you really should apologise to people for making them wasting time and energy on threads you open.

It's good that I now see what type of person you are and that saves me a lot of time.
 

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This is easy to prove, if we honestly take a look at the evidence.
Look at this verse in the KJV:
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs. Acts 7:8 (KJV)

- - - Notice the words "eighth day". The Greek word for "day" in this verse is "hay-mer-ah". It is the correct Greek word to use for "day". In the original Greek, hay-mer-ah is correctly used 196 times for the word "day". - - -

Now, look at Acts 20:7 in the KJV. - - -
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (KJV) - -

The word "day" is in brackets, or in the KJV, usually in italics. This means that the Greek word for day, hay-mer-ah, is not there at all. The word "day" was added by the translators. Interesting. Now look at the Greek word used for "week". It is "Sabbaton", which means Sabbath. So, the proper translation is this: "On the first Sabbath" or "On one Sabbath". Now, do you see what a little study brings to light?
How often did the church meet?

Acts 2:46, "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house,...."
 

valiant

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How often did the church meet?

Acts 2:46, "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house,...."
that was in Jerusalem to begin with. They could not continue it for long.
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by jcha
I choose to believe on Jesus and His redemptive work. Praising YHWH for His abundant GRACE!
hi jcha,

you might find this interesting...

yhwh occurs about 7,000 time in the ot, zero in the new

rather, the nt approach is
"God has given people no other name under heaven that will save them." from Acts 4:12

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+4&version=nirv
because Greek Christians followed the later LXX and use LORD instead of YHWH.

Thus Jesus was YHWH Jesus Christ, the Name above very name (Phil 2.9, 11)
 

prove-all

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But what shall we do then with the documents from the first 100 years
of christianity that talk about christians meeting on Sunday (Lord's day)?
can you show us those documents?
again there is no bible verse that says the Lords day is now sunday

here is some reading and quotes about the lost century in history


as Edward Gibbon wrote in
The History of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire
"The scanty materials of ecclesiastical history seldom enable us to dispel
the cloud that hangs over the first age of the church .


Jesse Lyman Hurlbert in
The story of the christian church
the age just after the book of acts he calls "..the age of shadows.."

"of all the periods in the churches history, it is the one about which we know
the least about. For fifty years after St. Paul's life a curtain hangs over the church,
through which we strive vainly to look;



William McLaughlin in
The Course of Christian History

"But Christianity itself had been in the process of transformation as it progressed
and at the close of the period was in many respects quite different from the apostolic
Christianity."


Samuel G. Green in
A handbook of church History

"The thirty years which followed the close of the New Testement canon and the
destruction of Jerusalem, are in truth the most obscure in the history of the church.
When we emerge in the second century, we are to a great extent in a changed world."


William fitzgerald in
lectures on ecclesiastical History

"over this period of transition, which immediatly succeeds upon
the era properly called apostolic, great obscurity hangs."


Philip Schaff in
History of the Christian Church

"The remaining thirty years of the first century are involved in mysterious darkness,
illuminated only by the writings of John. This is a period of church history about which
we know least and would like to know most."

"Simon Magus unquestionably adulterated Christianity with pagon ideas and practices
and gave himself out for an emanation of God."

"This heresy in the second century spread over the whole church, east and west,
in the various schools of agnosticism."


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Satan was doing everything he could to destroy the Work of God, and in
little more than two decades, God’s people were turning to another gospel.

-this was the time of the Roman Empire , and in around 117 AD, at its greatest extent.
streched from Britian clear to modern day Turkey, and it ruled with the rod of iron.

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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:


Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years
I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
 

prove-all

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I just love quasi-Hebrew religionists. Try to make Christians into OT servants of the law.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Gods statues and judgements are not "the rudiments of the world" or "ordinances" here,
its about "the commandments and doctrines of men" not Gods commandments.
 

prove-all

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Paul said to gather the collections on the first day of the week.

What really Was This COLLECTION on first day?


this is the eighth and last place where the term
“first day of the week” occurs in the Bible.

8) 1 Corinthians 16:2: “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you
lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him.…”

Often we see this text printed on the little offering envelopes in the pews of popular
churches, and we have been told that this text sets the first day of the week as the time
for taking up the church collection for the carrying on of God’s work, paying the minister, etc.

Let us begin with the first verse and really catch the true intended meaning of this verse.

“Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia,
even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

This speaks of a collection—but for whom—for what? Note it! Not for the preacher
—not for evangelism—but “the collection for the saints.” The poor saints at Jerusalem
were suffering from drought and famine. They needed, not money, but food.

Notice Paul had given similar instruction to other churches.
Now observe his instruction to the Romans:

“But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them
of Macedonia and Achaia [where the Corinthian church was located] to make a certain
contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit,
I will come by you into Spain” (Romans 15:25-28).

Ah! Did you catch it? It was not money, but fruit that was being sealed for shipment to
the poor saints at Jerusalem! (The Greek word can also refer to grain, wine, and other
produce which can be stored a long time without spoiling.)

Now turn back to 1?Corinthians 16. Paul is speaking concerning a collection for the saints.
Upon the first day of the week each one of them is instructed to do what? Look at it!
Does it say drop a coin in the collection plate at a church service? Not at all!

It says, “[L]et every one of you lay by him in STORE.” Note it! Lay by! Store up!
Store up by himself—at home! Not lay by at the church house—lay by him—at home.

Now why? “[T]hat there be no gatherings when I come.” Men gather fruit out of the orchard
—they gather vegetables out of the ground, to be stored up. But putting coins in a collection
plate at church, or handing in your tithe envelope could not be called a gathering,
but an offering or collection.

Notice further: “And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet that I go also,
they [more than one] shall go with me” (verses 3-4).

Apparently it was going to require several men to carry this collection, gathered and stored up,
to Jerusalem. If it were tithe or offering for the minister or the spread of the gospel,
Paul could have carried the money alone.

the eighth place where we find “the first day of the week” mentioned, it is a workday
—a day for gathering fruit and food out of the orchards and the fields and gardens,
and storing it up. It was to be the first labor of the week, hence the first day of the week,
as soon as the Sabbath was past!
 

GuessWho

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can you show us those documents?
again there is no bible verse that says the Lords day is now sunday
The Didache, ch. 14

http://www.tracts.ukgo.com/didache.pdf

The Letter of Saint Ignatius to Magnesians, ch. 9

St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Magnesians (Lightfoot translation)

Epistle of Barnabas, ch. 15

[FONT=&quot]Barnabas 15:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Finally He saith to them; [/FONT]Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)




You're welcome.
 

prove-all

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Paul did not observe the physical sabbath day
really?

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I
the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

If Paul taught against the law (which is not true) then he certainly wouldn't have worshiped
by believing those things written therein. Paul was not a deceiver by opposing his own beliefs
that he taught to others.

Acts 26:7 (KJV)
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

-here Paul says that his hope to come, is in the promises given to the twelve tribes.
was sunday given to the twelve tribes?
 
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Is our Salvation depended on what day is the Sabbath day? No.

Our Salvation is by Grace from God!

Therefore we cannot lose our Salvation by celebrating Sunday as the Sabbath Day.

Too many people like disciplemike try to put others under the Law. We are not under the Law, we are under Grace. The Law said Saturday was the Sabbath, Grace says we can keep any day we want as being the Sabbath.

Who or what are we Worshiping by keeping the Sabbath on Saturday? If we insist on Saturday then we are Worshiping the Law.