The churches are in dire need of understanding this!

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#21
Jul 31, 2013
37,773
13,533
113
#21
posthuman said:

left a bit out there
Click to expand...
one other bit of this chapter that has been neglected:

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
(Romans 8:8-9)​

what is my mind set on if i am focusing on the body - which is dead because of sin - and perfect obedience to the Law? can i please God if my mind is absorbed with a righteousness according to works?
 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#22
Jul 31, 2013
37,773
13,533
113
#22
Veteran said:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,
who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from
the law of sin and death.” (Romans 8:1-2, NKJV)
Click to expand...
i hope it's obvious from my conversation here over the years i've been a member that i'm not in any way advocating living in sin or trivializing righteous behavior.

but Romans 8:1 begins with "therefore . ."
therefore what is written next - that there is no more condemnation for those in Christ - is the conclusion that is reached by comprehending what has been explained immediately before & leading up to this statement.

bluntly: you don't get Romans 8 by skipping Romans 7.

so what is the argument that the Spirit writing through Paul makes, which brings us to the conclusion that in Christ there is no more condemnation?

Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind,
but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
(Romans 7:25)​

anyone who leaves this out perverts the gospel.

we are able to stand before Him not because of our own righteousness, which is worse than the foulest dirty towel you can imagine in God's sight.
we are able to stand before Him for one reason and one reason only: the mercy of God expressed in the blood of Jesus Christ which covers us!
 
G

Grandpa

Senior Member
#23
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,190
113
#23
posthuman said:
one other bit of this chapter that has been neglected:
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
(Romans 8:8-9)​

what is my mind set on if i am focusing on the body - which is dead because of sin - and perfect obedience to the Law? can i please God if my mind is absorbed with a righteousness according to works?
Click to expand...
Romans 10:2-11
[FONT=&quot]2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.[/FONT]
 
You must log in or register to reply here.