The Cost of The Law

RedTent · Dec 17, 2013

I wish I could gather all God's children and input all about law, it is SO important, because sin kills, and the law defines sin. Christ forgives and wipes out our sin. It is really as simple as that, but my what curves man has thrown in!

At the same time, so much of God enters in. Grace, works, legalism, disobedience, love, the Holy Spirit within us, repentance, Moses, gentile/Jew relations, I could go on and on. And to complicate it all, Paul's fight with the Jewish church reported in Acts and how desperately Paul fought for the truth. We look at that fight through 2013 minds, and don't understand Paul's words at all. We only know discipline is gone from our churches so the devil is let in, and God's children want God back in the church.

So we use it to fight about. No wonder Alexis threw up her hands.

RedTent · Dec 17, 2013

Maybe we should all throw up our hands, and just let it all go! We are told how our church will be in the last days, and this argument is at the heart of it.

zone · Dec 17, 2013

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zone · Dec 17, 2013

RedTent said:

1 Timothy 1
Warning Against False Teachers
3As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardshipa from God that is by faith. 5The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, 7desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.

8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,b liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to soundc doctrine, 11in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

Karraster · Dec 17, 2013

alexis said:

so...the Cost of The Law is that you got your feelings hurt? The cost of the Law is far above that. Jesus was scourged, mocked, spat upon, He bled for us He died for us. That is the cost of the Law. To show sinners how imperfect they are, I am a sinner. I love God's Law and thank God for Christ!!. I do in no way deserve that Christ died for me. Christ is the Law, He wrote the Law, He died as our sacrifice for sin. I am not confused about the Cost of the Law.

zone · Dec 17, 2013

Karraster said:

so...the Cost of The Law is that you got your feelings hurt? The cost of the Law is far above that. Jesus was scourged, mocked, spat upon, He bled for us He died for us. That is the cost of the Law. To show sinners how imperfect they are, I am a sinner. I love God's Law and thank God for Christ!!. I do in no way deserve that Christ died for me. Christ is the Law, He wrote the Law, He died as our sacrifice for sin. I am not confused about the Cost of the Law.

you are 54.
she is 15.
and the other one is 14.

RedTent · Dec 17, 2013

zone said:

Listen to what scripture says!! False teachers use scripture, but they pick and chose so it teaches falsely. You need to watch the log in your eye before you preach to others. Many posters have worked with you, many are praying for you. Look to your heart!!!

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

Alexis my apologies for this

When I said to you I was disheartened by responses to my questions I meant that Christians had not taken time

When I wrote all I was learning was to question it sounds like it made me question

but it did not

No man sways my faith in Christ

this I promise
remeber I learned I was learned to read by my father

yes the grammar error is on purpose
what is the single book my father has given me to read?

What a mess I have made in an attempt to spread the word of Christ

All I asked was to understand thier view point

it was innocent as you said
but others not teaching me their view does not harm me

I am my Father's child

Foolish I have been

I know let Christ speak for himself

When I said that a certain members mean responses and ignoring me made me cry this was truth

what I did not say clearly was I cried for him

for Jesus loves him

even when he is unkind

Alexis you have misunderstood me

I am not leaving CC

I simply am doing as my father and Father and Christ and Holy Spirit have taught me

I will stick to Christ's words in response to everything

God bless you for not allowing me to be bullied

in the future feel no need
Jesus has my back

I leave you with these words that say more than I am able

John 10:7-9
"Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."
10:11
"I am the good sheperd: the good sheperd giveth his life for the sheep"

I know where and who my salvation is

so do you
I uphold The Commandments and Christ's

I asked questions only to understand others
hate stems from not understanding

Never think you need defend me

I have the good sheperd leading me

zone · Dec 17, 2013

RedTent said:

what you have not yet done, is show that

1) i do not know the Mosaic Law, or Biblical History.
2) any NT commandment whatsoever to keep the sabbath.
3) that you do not pick and choose which parts of the Law you (are able to) keep

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

Karraster said:

She thought I was hurt

I was not
the good sheperd keeps me

The Commandmets of God are perfection

including Christ's commandment to love
I was shown the opposite of love in a pm

one mans actions do not change God's perfection

Alexis is a rather new Christian if she has affended you it was not intended

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

RedTent said:

If you wish to help this child simply tell me which law

The law written in Leviticus?
or
The Ten Commandments?
or
Christ's commandment to love as he did?
or
all three?
or
a combination of two?

That is the question that started this

lead to Alexis being angered
I do agree with Lexi that no one who says to keep the law has answered this

Praus · Dec 17, 2013

alexis said:

"2Thewaters, whatever spirit you're listening to is not from God" --Praus, a few days ago.

Praus said:

Karraster · Dec 17, 2013

buckets said:

So true, we cannot change who God is by our actions. CC can be a place to learn and grow in the Lord. It can also be an ugly place when deliberation of members is to sidetrack and disrupt, and cause to anger for the sake of making one angry. Any pm should be used for edifying and encouraging, not for personal attack to belittle or scold. No offense taken by me at all, I just wished to shine light on Jesus and not our feelings with each other. Please do continue in your strong faith of all that God has done for us, it will carry you home.

Karraster · Dec 17, 2013

Buckets, your question is not addressed to me, however I will speak my belief. I have been lead to believe the 10 commandments is what Jesus taught. They are inside the ark and the other Laws were on the outside. I think all Laws are for our good, and I will study them, knowing that Christ is our offering once, and some laws are not possible to keep. I would never want to lead anyone astray, and so I reiterate, this is what I believe from my poor amount of study in my life. God willing I will be given more wisdom as I read the Bible. Peace and love

notuptome · Dec 17, 2013

The law can only condemn the law cannot redeem. Christ is able to redeem but He does not condemn.

The law remains our schoolmaster to point us to Christ both in the NT and the OT.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

Karraster said:

What a great answer!
Lexi look at Christ's love

for every mean response here there are twenty like this spoken out of love

I agree Christ is well pleased when we follow his will

this clarifies about the laws I read as no longer possible to keep

such as burnt offerings

Thank you for understanding and answering my question

shoulda asked you yesterday

RedTent · Dec 17, 2013

the law written in Lev. was written by God, what God says always remains the same.

Many of these laws were brought forward by Christ, so in essence they remain the same, but how they are carried out is changed. For instance: Christ made us the temple, so all law having to do with the temple remains the same, but it is not carried out through the physical temple in Jerusalem. The law having to do with blood sacrifice is not animal blood that was a shadow or a dim outline of Christ's blood, is now carried forward in Christ. Each separate Leviticus law needs to be looked at with this in mind.

The ten commandments were written as a sort of constitution for the Hebrews to follow as they established a new nation. The 613 laws were also given for this purpose. They are by God. Each are truth. But we are to read them in the light of Christ. Some say that because God said to stone those who broke some of them, they can not be of God. They don't read this as God telling them how important certain laws were, or in the context of the world they were written to. Nor the restrictions God gave for stoning.

Again, we need to read each law in the light of how Christ said to do it, and that is through love. It is not true that the law of love made the laws God gave obsolete. The law of love must be read in every law God gave, as this law is the basis of all other laws. Example: If we are immoral then the safety of marriage is interfered with. The law of love says that if we love we want a safe world to live in. If we steal from each other, we are not being loving. If we ignore people needing help on the Sabbath so we don't work to help them, we are not honoring the Sabbath correctly for we give up our work for the work of the Lord on that day.

Also, when we look at law, all other ways that God is has to be kept in mind. It isn't easy!! God gives grace, not dependent on law keeping but on our repentance and love for Him. We must have faith, and that means that we know all of God is Holy so we are willing to follow Him whatever He says. We only can know God through a supernatural indwelling of the Holy Spirit in us, and law keeping is through that spirit.

Does this help explain law?

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

Honest truth this all started because I wanted to know if people believed we should uphold the law in Leviticus

It is sad I could not word it where it was opened to answers

Lesson learned

It is hard to do things like go to a temple we don't have

of course when David had no temple he built one
David was a man after God's own heart!

even when David sinned

Let us be as Christ asked and forgive one another our transgressions

buckets · Dec 17, 2013

RedTent said:

the law written in Lev. was written by God, what God says always remains the same.

Many of these laws were brought forward by Christ, so in essence they remain the same, but how they are carried out is changed. For instance: Christ made us the temple, so all law having to do with the temple remains the same, but it is not carried out through the physical temple in Jerusalem. The law having to do with blood sacrifice is not animal blood that was a shadow or a dim outline of Christ's blood, is now carried forward in Christ. Each separate Leviticus law needs to be looked at with this in mind.

The ten commandments were written as a sort of constitution for the Hebrews to follow as they established a new nation. The 613 laws were also given for this purpose. They are by God. Each are truth. But we are to read them in the light of Christ. Some say that because God said to stone those who broke some of them, they can not be of God. They don't read this as God telling them how important certain laws were, or in the context of the world they were written to. Nor the restrictions God gave for stoning.

Again, we need to read each law in the light of how Christ said to do it, and that is through love. It is not true that the law of love made the laws God gave obsolete. The law of love must be read in every law God gave, as this law is the basis of all other laws. Example: If we are immoral then the safety of marriage is interfered with. The law of love says that if we love we want a safe world to live in. If we steal from each other, we are not being loving. If we ignore people needing help on the Sabbath so we don't work to help them, we are not honoring the Sabbath correctly for we give up our work for the work of the Lord on that day.

Also, when we look at law, all other ways that God is has to be kept in mind. It isn't easy!! God gives grace, not dependent on law keeping but on our repentance and love for Him. We must have faith, and that means that we know all of God is Holy so we are willing to follow Him whatever He says. We only can know God through a supernatural indwelling of the Holy Spirit in us, and law keeping is through that spirit.

Does this help explain law?

God bless you this actually makes perfect sense

As Lexi learned today keeping even the simple ones Christ spoke of like feeling anger are not easy

Not picking on her

I'd give my life to see her safe in all ways
Christ is wonderful in his gift of salvation

loving him I would always do my best to keep all God's laws
now that I get the temple part it is clearer

Thanks again

zone · Dec 17, 2013

buckets said:

hey buckets and alexis.

look this over - you will see JESUS

:

Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html

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