The Covenants Of Mohammed

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loveme1

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J7 you do know who Ishmael is don't you? Abraham's son with Hagar?
 

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Violent Islam, peaceful Islam...doesn't matter...false religion with a false prophet and a false god
It does matter, because people who promote Islam as a religion of peace are deceived. But, they also do not seem to care that they are deceived, and that a principle within Islam itself is explicitly taught to deceive people for the cause of the spread of Islam.
 

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Muslims claim to be from this line,Rechab and on back to Abraham.
It has been said, 'The Jewish Arab conflict began in Abraham's tent." We were all stunned in horror watching a person being burned alive in a cage and the daily beheading's on live TV. And then I see the name Nineveh flash on the screen where people were being murdered. This was the same nation that Jonah was sent to to preach repentance to the Assyrian people - and the whole nation from the King down to the people repented in sackcloth and ashes. There was a national fast for even their live stock and house hold pets.

At the time I was doing a bible study about the Life of Jonah and I had already read the passage of scripture from the book of Nahum speaking about The Great City of Nineveh; "Nothing can heal you; your wound is fatal. All who hear the news about you clap their hands at your fall, for who has not felt your endless cruelty?" I went wow has nothing change since the time of Jonah, does history just keep repeating itself - and so I pray today come Lord Jesus.
 

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J7 you do know who Ishmael is don't you? Abraham's son with Hagar?

Yes, absolutely! Hagar was Egyptian. Egypt is bondage.

When Israel went out of covenant in AD73 they entered the House Of Bondage (Egypt). It's not something I've worked through I am just throwing it out there. I think it means they come under the aegis of Islam, if Islam is Egypt.So really Islam becomes the controlling authority for Israel
 

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The first true statement you have made in this thread.

Islam comes through Ishmael who is not the son of the promise. Isaac is the son of promise through whom the Messiah will come to redeem Israel and the world.

There is only One God and His name is Jehovah not allah.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
What false statements have I made wise guy?
 

loveme1

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Yes, absolutely! Hagar was Egyptian. Egypt is bondage.

When Israel went out of covenant in AD73 they entered the House Of Bondage (Egypt). It's not something I've worked through I am just throwing it out there. I think it means they come under the aegis of Islam, if Islam is Egypt.So really Islam becomes the controlling authority for Israel

Sun and moon worship.. rather than the Creator been going on for long time.
 

loveme1

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I don't Know LM1 I've not studied it. whatever they worship they are light years ahead of so called christians nations

Ezekiel 8

16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.




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Ezekiel 8

16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.




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Those are the sins of Jerusalem
 

J7

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Violent Islam, peaceful Islam...doesn't matter...false religion with a false prophet and a false god
Whether it matters not is moot. Surely if Mohammed taught that the Church was to be protected that makes him a blesser of Israel. Likewise if he was for Christians he was really for Christ.

Because the Church is in hopeless error about the end times, they also can end up in hopeless error about Islam. I.e. If Islam is the restrainer, then it is really an agent of God.
 

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The house of Judah and house of Ishmael became interconnected for perpetuity

19 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

how do you trace Rechab back to Ishmael? why doesn't God say Ishmael if He means Ishmael?
Jonadab helped Jehu kill the house of Ahab and the prophets of Baal, Jehu who was the king of the northern kingdom, not of Judah. or are you tracing this back to the Kenites? But then why didn't God say Kenites if He meant Kenites?

and how does this get you to Islam, anyway?
Levi shall not lack a man to stand before God ((Jeremiah 3:18)) - i don't know where that is said about Judah ((?)) - and hey, what about Barnabas, Acts 4? but which Muslim stands before Christ?
 

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Whether it matters not is moot. Surely if Mohammed taught that the Church was to be protected that makes him a blesser of Israel. Likewise if he was for Christians he was really for Christ.

Because the Church is in hopeless error about the end times, they also can end up in hopeless error about Islam. I.e. If Islam is the restrainer, then it is really an agent of God.
seems to me that the restrainer is restraining Islam from trying to destroy Israel.
 
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Whether it matters not is moot. Surely if Mohammed taught that the Church was to be protected that makes him a blesser of Israel. Likewise if he was for Christians he was really for Christ.

Because the Church is in hopeless error about the end times, they also can end up in hopeless error about Islam. I.e. If Islam is the restrainer, then it is really an agent of God.


He turned on the Jews and Christians after he tried to convert them. After that they were converted on pain of death or they became slaves. Mohammed was no blesser of Israel.
 

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it is a perpetual promise with the Rechabites
No it is not.. muhammad was not a rechabite he was a pagan who worshipped hundereds of idols in mecca and may i say drank wine.. Until he started the religion of islam 5 centuries after the times of Jesus and probably near on 2000 years after the Rechabites..
 

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No it is not.. muhammad was not a rechabite he was a pagan who worshipped hundereds of idols in mecca and may i say drank wine.. Until he started the religion of islam 5 centuries after the times of Jesus and probably near on 2000 years after the Rechabites..
You may indeed.

Well he had a tribal identity, and was clearly an Arab. I.e. An Ishmaelite, I don't think that is under dispute. To say he was a pagan is a bit silly. Judaism and Islam don't really slot sensibly into paganism as they recognise The God of Abraham.

"Then We inspired you: 'Follow the religion of Ibrahim, the upright in Faith'."
(Qur'an 16:123)

Obviously Islam does not understand the religion of Abraham or else they would be Christian.
As Islam forbids idol worship, it may be false witness to say that Mohammed was an idol worshipper.

He was 1000 not 2000 years after Jeremiah. Do some homework
 

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He turned on the Jews and Christians after he tried to convert them. After that they were converted on pain of death or they became slaves. Mohammed was no blesser of Israel.
Well that is the thing in question, the article maintains that he commissioned the opposite.
 

J7

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how do you trace Rechab back to Ishmael? why doesn't God say Ishmael if He means Ishmael?
Jonadab helped Jehu kill the house of Ahab and the prophets of Baal, Jehu who was the king of the northern kingdom, not of Judah. or are you tracing this back to the Kenites? But then why didn't God say Kenites if He meant Kenites?

and how does this get you to Islam, anyway?
Levi shall not lack a man to stand before God ((Jeremiah 3:18)) - i don't know where that is said about Judah ((?)) - and hey, what about Barnabas, Acts 4? but which Muslim stands before Christ?
1 Chronicles 2:55

And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
 
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loveme1

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J7... can you tell us what you are getting at?

What at do you mean by the covenants of Mohammed?
 

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You may indeed.

Well he had a tribal identity, and was clearly an Arab. I.e. An Ishmaelite, I don't think that is under dispute. To say he was a pagan is a bit silly. Judaism and Islam don't really slot sensibly into paganism as they recognise The God of Abraham.

"Then We inspired you: 'Follow the religion of Ibrahim, the upright in Faith'."
(Qur'an 16:123)

Obviously Islam does not understand the religion of Abraham or else they would be Christian.
As Islam forbids idol worship, it may be false witness to say that Mohammed was an idol worshipper.

He was 1000 not 2000 years after Jeremiah. Do some homework
Please stop posting from the satanic verses that is the quran.