The Dead-What Happens When You Die

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Charles

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Why is it people wish to base their faith or doctrin on one or two scriptures? Jesus died and went to the Father so that his spirit could return within the spirit of God so to dwell in those who are in the truth (saved). If everyone went to heaven then their would be how many resurrections? The bible states there will be two resurrections (only). Sure Paul "desired" to die and to be with Christ but read further and he hoped to be in the resurrection of the rigteous. To desire is one thing, wishful thinking, but to do so is another.
 
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Slepsog4

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Charles,

I am not sure where you were going with your post, but when Jesus died he did not go to the Father. His soul/spirit went into Hades. On the third day he was raised and 40 days later he ascended to the Father.
 
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I must say, when I first read what you said Slepsog, I was a little confused...I was like wait, Hades is Greek and means hell. So I looked into things, I went to www.gotquestions.org and here's what I found.

Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?"

Answer:
Did Jesus’ soul go to Hell during the time in between His death and resurrection? There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into Hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “Hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the “realms” of the dead.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to described the realm of the dead is "Sheol." It simply means the "place of the dead" or the "place of departed souls/spirits." The New Testament Greek word that is used for hell is "Hades," which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that Sheol / Hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to “Hell” because “Hell” is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

Sheol / Hades is a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “Paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a "great gulf fixed" (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to Heaven, He took the occupants of Paradise (believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of Sheol / Hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to Sheol / Hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-11, "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life..." “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “Sheol.” Jesus said years later on the Cross to the thief beside Him, "Today, thou shalt be with Me in Paradise." His body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “Paradise” realm of Sheol / Hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from Paradise and took them with Him to Heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “Sheol,” “Hades,” and “Hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “Hell” or the suffering side of Sheol / Hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical! It was the death of Jesus on the Cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that substantiated our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the Cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. "He became sin for us," 2 Corinthians 5:21 states: "For He hath made Him to be sin for us Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.

When Jesus cried upon the Cross, "Oh, Father, why have You forsaken Me?" it was then He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, "Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit." His suffering was completed in our stead. His soul/spirit went to the Paradise side of Hades. Jesus did not go to Hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to His glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to Hell? No. Did Jesus go to Sheol / Hades? Yes.

So I learned something new and very interesting today, I didn't know there was a "Paradise side" of Hades. I just thought it meant hell. Thanks for posting what you did, made me think about and look into things. I love to research, study, and learn all the time! God bless!
 
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christiancanadian

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Here's my two cents...some may say that's all it's worth. Before I got saved, I was always reading up on people Near Death Experiences. According to them, you see the tunnel, you have a life review, and then most of them are told it's not their time. However, I believed the NDE's up until I saw real demons with my own eyes. That made the Bible and Jesus very real to me. I think a lot of the NDE's promote New Age religion and are contrary to the Bible. So with that being said, with my experience I'm pretty convinced that ghosts are also not ghosts at all either. I think many of these things are demonic. They imitate loved one's etc. Now that I know the Bible is totally true, I think we may be 'dead' and 'unaware' until we are raised by Jesus. When you think of it, that's why it's so important to accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour while we're alive. It makes sense because when we die we're basically 'no more' until Jesus raises us. We can't possibly accept Jesus in that state when we're unaware and dead. That's why it is so critical to accept Jesus NOW!!!! While we're alive!!!
 
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Charles

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The righteous who die go to the chambers of souls (IS. 26:19-20). Jessus told them they would arise with his dead body. These are the many bodies of the saints that came out of their graves when Jesus was resurrected (Mt. 27:52-53) they are captivity captive led on high (Eph.4:8) tThey were the firstfruits 1 Cor. 15:20-23). They were the 140,000 that were sealed Rev.7:5-8. They are the Firstfruits that have been in heaven since the resurrection (Rev. 14:1-5). The rest of the souls Jesus told to go back into their chambers until the indignation be overpast: to the resurrection.
Yes, the breath of life (spirit of life) returns unto God whom gave it. Read Job 17:1 Job mentions two graves, for he wrote graves which is plural. ONe the body remains in the grave or wherever it is, and the soul (spirit) goes to the chambers (Is. 26:19-20).
 
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Charles

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Jesus did not ascend to his resurrection is true after he descended to the lower parts (Eph. 4:9). Then he spoke to Mary Magdalene in which time he told her not to touch him as he had not yet ascended.. The he told her to tell his disciples that he was to ascend to God and the Father. Later the same day he appeared to them in the midst of the room. Did he not tell Thomas to touch him on his second visit to them?; therefore, he had to ascend to be glorified between the time he spoke to Mary and the time he appeared in the room the same evening, read yourself. Then after the forty days he ascended.
 
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Charles

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Abrahams bosom story was a parable.
 
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Slepsog4

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Charles wrote:
Abraham's bosom story was a parable.
1. Prove it
2. Jesus did not call it a parable
3. If it is, its the only one to use 2 proper names of individuals.
4. A parable is a true to life story with a spiritual meaning... so this must be a true to life story either way or else it would be of absolutely no use.
 
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Slepsog4

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Charles... NO Jesus did not ascend between those two situations.

What he told Mary was not to CLING to him, it was not a mere light touch. Check out the original language and other translation.

He did not ascend until after he gave the great commission to the apostles.
 
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Charles

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The ones he led on high (captivity captive :Eph.4:8), where were they when he ascended in the clouds (Acts1) if he hadn't already ascended to be glorified?
 
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Slepsog4

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Captivity is about being captive to sin and to the rules of men. The text goes on to say he gave gifts to men. Those were the gifts for ministry to the church. This is not about taking souls to heaven.
 
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Charles

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According to scrip. hell is darkness: Job 10:22; Mt. 8:12: 2Peter 2:4, yet fire and worms: Mk. 9:48. Apparently (not to assume) they are in darkness blinded by the fire. And, not to forget, Ecc. 9:5-6, the dead do not know anything. So, they could neither see nor talk to anyone. Thus, Lk. 16:14-31 could be nothing else but a parable spoken to the Pharisees (Lk. !6:14-15). Luke 8:10, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God; but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."
 
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Charles

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So, where are the many bodies of the saints which came out of their graves and were seen by many if they aren't the ones Jesus led on high?
They were captive in their chambers. Captive also means confined.
 
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Slepsog4

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The scriptures say nothing more about what happened to those who came out of their graves.

Even IF (I deny) it is a parable, the information in it MUST still be true. Besides ch. 8 is a far cry from ch. 16. They way you linked those together might imply that everything Jesus ever said was a parable. Luke did not use the term parable when recording this information.
 
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Slepsog4

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WOW. That is some of the worst stuff I have read in a long time. He really has an imagination. Making each element of Mt. 24 into something completely foreign to the context.
 
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Charles

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Those under the altar are those who are killed during th tribulation perid for their testomony of Christ. They are separate from the rest of the dead. Take note they were given white robes and told to rest to the rest are killed as they where.
 
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Charles

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It does state what happened to them. They are the firstfruits: 1 Cor 15:20 & 23 : Rev.7: 5-8 (Were sealed); Rev 14:1-5. Those were redeemed from among men; those men they were redeemed from are the ones Jesus told to go back into their chambers (Is. 26:20) and close the doors until the indignation(Spiritual anger) be overpast; they are the firstfruits. Please read these scriptures. By the way, Jesus also gave gifts to the ungodly so that God could dwell among them. For example, Mechanics we need and the such: Psalm 68:18.
 
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Charles

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The scripture speaks for itself. The Pharisees weren't his disciples. What are you implying, you don't use scriptures from one section to another to have an answer?
 
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