The devil's greatest lie to the body of Christ!
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this is totally destroyed when Paul used present tense when speaking of his struggle, and not past tense.
he asked who would free him from his body of sin, he did not praise God he was freed, and he called himself a present tense wretched man, not a past tense.
you are a dangerous person, Paul said he had not arrived, he continued to run the race, you place yourself above Paul, you are deceived as john said, and there is no truth In you,
yes, john said he rights those things so we may not sin, so that in every decision we have the power to chose right, and not save the flesh,
it never daid said we would carry that out, in fact it says if we think we have become perfect, we deceive ourselves and there is no truth
end of story.
he asked who would free him from his body of sin, he did not praise God he was freed, and he called himself a present tense wretched man, not a past tense.
you are a dangerous person, Paul said he had not arrived, he continued to run the race, you place yourself above Paul, you are deceived as john said, and there is no truth In you,
yes, john said he rights those things so we may not sin, so that in every decision we have the power to chose right, and not save the flesh,
it never daid said we would carry that out, in fact it says if we think we have become perfect, we deceive ourselves and there is no truth
end of story.
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Rom 7:25
Paul argues about the sinful nature, the passions of the heart, of being human and not
being in control. He declares the law inflames the passions pointing out their dominance
which is demonstrated by the focus the law puts on them, which makes them grow stronger.
His conclusion is though that he is now free through Christ Jesus, he has been literally delivered.
So in his mind he is now a slave to Gods law, he has become a victor in the Spirit, though in
his sinful nature, if he gave into it, would be a slave to the law of sin.
We have no condemnation because
who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:4
This is not idle victory but a righteous reality.
For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:13
If you live according to the flesh, ie in sin, you will die.
If you live according to the Spirit, you put to death sin or the misdeeds of the body
you will live.
Paul goes out of his way to include all the arguments he can think of that people
would use to say, no living in sin is who we are, we can do no other but sin.
Here Paul is saying, in Christ you have victory over the passions in the heart, in
the cross and in the Holy Spirit all is made new if you sow to the Spirit, and disown
and abandon evil deeds and all that is linked to it.
But the lost will always argue in vain, because sin possess their soul, and they have
lost hope of ever being free from its enslavement, so any words that might imply this
they will invent a counter argument and interpretation that jars with Paul, but they
can live with it.
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Rom 7:25
Paul argues about the sinful nature, the passions of the heart, of being human and not
being in control. He declares the law inflames the passions pointing out their dominance
which is demonstrated by the focus the law puts on them, which makes them grow stronger.
His conclusion is though that he is now free through Christ Jesus, he has been literally delivered.
So in his mind he is now a slave to Gods law, he has become a victor in the Spirit, though in
his sinful nature, if he gave into it, would be a slave to the law of sin.
We have no condemnation because
who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:4
This is not idle victory but a righteous reality.
For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:13
If you live according to the flesh, ie in sin, you will die.
If you live according to the Spirit, you put to death sin or the misdeeds of the body
you will live.
Paul goes out of his way to include all the arguments he can think of that people
would use to say, no living in sin is who we are, we can do no other but sin.
Here Paul is saying, in Christ you have victory over the passions in the heart, in
the cross and in the Holy Spirit all is made new if you sow to the Spirit, and disown
and abandon evil deeds and all that is linked to it.
But the lost will always argue in vain, because sin possess their soul, and they have
lost hope of ever being free from its enslavement, so any words that might imply this
they will invent a counter argument and interpretation that jars with Paul, but they
can live with it.
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No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
1 cor 9:27
Here is Paul saying yes we struggle with the desires of our humanity, but this is not
an excuse. There is nothing that we have to give into, because in Christ we have
the victory, and if we live in defeat our salvation is also lost.
1 cor 9:27
Here is Paul saying yes we struggle with the desires of our humanity, but this is not
an excuse. There is nothing that we have to give into, because in Christ we have
the victory, and if we live in defeat our salvation is also lost.
This is an odd accusation. The response is saying Paul is walking in the Spirit, in righteousness,
purity and holiness.
If one is saying Paul is teaching compromise with sin is ok, and giving into evil and sinful behaviour
is a natural spiritual state, then it is fair to say, Paul appears not to be teaching this.
So calling someone a liar, and then claiming they are saying something wrong is not actually participating
in a discussion but slandering someone with evil intent and being deceptive.
Now it truth, this may well be what you are feeling, I can understand this after witnessing to
non-believers, once you prove your point, they have a dilemma, accept the truth or live with
a lie but ignore it, because the emotional implications are too hard to cope with.
This is called cognitive dissonance.
I have seen it used in many arenas, but this is one that is very applicable. I was once struck
by this very problem, when faced with sexual desire verses Jesus's word. Thankfully over time,
Jesus has won over. The problem is being honest about desire within, and how life changing it
is. Imagine on the power of this feeling people leave home, give up jobs, do impossible things
because of a bond they have with someone formed only over a few months. This is no idle power
or challenge but a true foundational reality of our existance.
But we have to choose. Is Jesus God the creator, and are our emotions subject to His authority
or do they enslave us beyond our control? It strikes me for many, they are enslaved beyond the
Lord, and their faith has been totally flawed. And once in this place, will they ever get back?
purity and holiness.
If one is saying Paul is teaching compromise with sin is ok, and giving into evil and sinful behaviour
is a natural spiritual state, then it is fair to say, Paul appears not to be teaching this.
So calling someone a liar, and then claiming they are saying something wrong is not actually participating
in a discussion but slandering someone with evil intent and being deceptive.
Now it truth, this may well be what you are feeling, I can understand this after witnessing to
non-believers, once you prove your point, they have a dilemma, accept the truth or live with
a lie but ignore it, because the emotional implications are too hard to cope with.
This is called cognitive dissonance.
I have seen it used in many arenas, but this is one that is very applicable. I was once struck
by this very problem, when faced with sexual desire verses Jesus's word. Thankfully over time,
Jesus has won over. The problem is being honest about desire within, and how life changing it
is. Imagine on the power of this feeling people leave home, give up jobs, do impossible things
because of a bond they have with someone formed only over a few months. This is no idle power
or challenge but a true foundational reality of our existance.
But we have to choose. Is Jesus God the creator, and are our emotions subject to His authority
or do they enslave us beyond our control? It strikes me for many, they are enslaved beyond the
Lord, and their faith has been totally flawed. And once in this place, will they ever get back?
DCON,
I am trying to understand how you are saying that OT saints were "saved". Could you clarify this for me? I do not think you are suggesting David, Isaiah, Daniel and Moses were saved under the new Covenant, are you?
I guess what is throwing me here is your use of the term "saved".
Salvation did not come under the Mosaic Covenant, it came under the new, these men lived and died under the law. As such how are they then Saved?
Just trying to see where you are coming from bro, thank you.
I am trying to understand how you are saying that OT saints were "saved". Could you clarify this for me? I do not think you are suggesting David, Isaiah, Daniel and Moses were saved under the new Covenant, are you?
I guess what is throwing me here is your use of the term "saved".
Salvation did not come under the Mosaic Covenant, it came under the new, these men lived and died under the law. As such how are they then Saved?
Just trying to see where you are coming from bro, thank you.
Son, the people here are trying to help you and so am I. I do not know where you are going to church or what ministry led you to this fasle teaching, but I would urge you to listen adn let the scales come of your eyes.
You are not SINLESS, you never will be.
I will ask one more time, are you saying you are sinless and perfect in your spirit and what you do in the flesh does not matter, because of this?
Or are you sinless and perfect in your spirit, and having to renew your mind and flesh to the word of God?
if you say your are sinless in your spirit, soul and flesh, then you are saying you Jesus, is that what you really think?
You are not SINLESS, you never will be.
I will ask one more time, are you saying you are sinless and perfect in your spirit and what you do in the flesh does not matter, because of this?
Or are you sinless and perfect in your spirit, and having to renew your mind and flesh to the word of God?
if you say your are sinless in your spirit, soul and flesh, then you are saying you Jesus, is that what you really think?
Are you saying they were saved under the New Covenant? I am really trying to understand, not start anything.
Abraham was not under the Mosaic Law and his righteousness is credited because of his Faith.
I do not dispute David talks about his present tense salvation in the Psalms.
David was born under the Law, how can a person born under the Law be saved by grace and faith?
Paul said that Jews born under the Law, died by the Law, David , Daniel and the other prophets were no exception, how and where do you see they are an exception.
You seem to be s0yaing they were born again under the new covenant, that cannot be, can it?
Abraham was not under the Mosaic Law and his righteousness is credited because of his Faith.
I do not dispute David talks about his present tense salvation in the Psalms.
David was born under the Law, how can a person born under the Law be saved by grace and faith?
Paul said that Jews born under the Law, died by the Law, David , Daniel and the other prophets were no exception, how and where do you see they are an exception.
You seem to be s0yaing they were born again under the new covenant, that cannot be, can it?
Thank you so much brother that was wonderfully stated. We hold the truth in righteousness and I praise God our Father for it.
"Brethren if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. -James5:19-20
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever." -Daniel 12:3
"Brethren if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. -James5:19-20
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever." -Daniel 12:3
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Yes I do, run the race to earn a reward, or a wage, or a payment
1 cor 9 24 to 27 is talking about running a race to recieve a reward. Not receiving the adoption as sons, or being born again. Which is a grace gift.
Salvation is is a gift, not a reward, so your using the wrong verse, if your not saved, you will never have the chance to earn a reward or lose it, all you will have is death
1 cor 9 24 to 27 is talking about running a race to recieve a reward. Not receiving the adoption as sons, or being born again. Which is a grace gift.
Salvation is is a gift, not a reward, so your using the wrong verse, if your not saved, you will never have the chance to earn a reward or lose it, all you will have is death
I am saying the 1t promise of a Messiah is found in genesis 3:15, then at the institution of the Passover, then the lifting of the serpent etc.....they trusted into the coming Messiah and promises by FAITH and when JESUS said it was finished the NEW covenant was ratified and their salvation was complete.......
OT Saints-------------------------------------> CROSS <----------------------------------N.T. Saints (both saved by faith ratified and accepted in Christ the moment of his death and the ratification of the New Covenant)
OT Saints-------------------------------------> CROSS <----------------------------------N.T. Saints (both saved by faith ratified and accepted in Christ the moment of his death and the ratification of the New Covenant)